Should dominant characters get nerfed? Or should the other characters get buffed to match them?

[DuskAlloy]

They aren't, he is currently overatted due to his infinite. BA is currently the #1 winner spot I believe.

So thats one character who relies more on his zoning with 4 or 5 others who place well who either are about even or rely heavily on rushdown

 

[ApertureBlack]

So thats one character who relies more on his zoning with 4 or 5 others who place well who either are about even or rely heavily on rushdown

Well, again he is a counterzoner character...

 

[DuskAlloy]

Well, again he is a counterzoner character...

I dont follow you train of thought

 

[Circus]

Well again, if we are talking about GL, Superman, and Black Adam we are talking about these "dominant characters" that we have to get other characters as good as. So I don't think the whole zoning argument should include them at all because there is no denying they are better than some less fortunate characters like Lex Luther.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Well again, if we are talking about GL, Superman, and Black Adam we are talking about these "dominant characters" that we have to get other characters as good as. So I don't think the whole zoning argument should include them at all because there is no denying they are better than some less fortunate characters like Lex Luther.

I dont see lex as a zoner

 

[Circus]

I dont see lex as a zoner

I think you misunderstood. Nowhere in that paragraph did I try to imply that he is.

I just tried to say that he's ass in general lol

 

[DuskAlloy]

I think you misunderstood. Nowhere in that paragraph did I try to imply that he is.

I just tried to say that he's ass in general lol

Gotcha

 

[Circus]

ApertureBlack

Even with GL, Superman, and Adam's great spacing game with the combination of their great midrange attacks and zoning tools mixed in, rushdown characters like Batman and Doomsday get in that ass and stay there so they can't play their games from far away anymore.

I think we just need to get all the other characters that get most of their damage by rushing down as good as Batman and Doomsday somehow. It's not impossible, we just need to give a character like Catwoman and Joker a ton more cheap shit to get in like Bats and Doom can.

This way GL, Superman, and Adam could zone a bit but'll be forced to play their midrange game and rushdown characters could get in that ass but will also not be so broken that it's an instant win once they do.

I just don't think taking away the tools GL, Superman, and Adam have would be more ideal than just making these other characters be as good as Batman and Doomsday in regards to the matchup.

 

[shaowebb]

Buffs over nerfs IMO unless the nerfs are for infinites, loops, or things that shut down all offense like Morri-doom bullethell weird shit discoveries.

Like if I was going to balance a character who has an advantage over most of the cast I'd look long and hard at what tools I could safely improve for other characters without making them OP over just plain removing a move's viability. Make the player still have to react accordingly, but give them an option to react with rather than taking a threat off the board entirely is how I see it.

 

[Circus]

Buffs over nerfs IMO unless the nerfs are for infinites, loops, or things that shut down all offense like Morri-doom bullethell weird shit discoveries.

Like if I was going to balance a character who has an advantage over most of the cast I'd look long and hard at what tools I could safely improve for other characters without making them OP over just plain removing a move's viability. Make the player still have to react accordingly, but give them an option to react with rather than taking a threat off the board entirely is how I see it.

Exactly.

I know for a fact Superman is bordering on "too good" in the current version of the game, but I seriously wonder what his fate would be if they removed his F23 pressure because he seriously has nothing else. Sure, he'd still be an amazing spacing and punishment character, but he would drop from the ranks of GL, Aquaman, and Black Adam for sure.

I just think if they do nerf anything it should be ever so slight on the dominant characters and instead, like you said, make others better but try to not make anything even more broken.

 

[DamagePoints]

Make the weaker characters better. Give the game more time to evolve. No one should be talking changes at all. Wait till after evo. Why the hell would u wanna play and practice a game only to have it change right before evo. You guys are idiots. Play the game give it time. Focus on your characters weaknesses improve and get better.

 

[JaredL]

Ideally? Buffs?

Realistically? Nerfs.

A nerf to supermans breath for example to be -4, would mean that his block strings, while still safe, are not as braindead and block infinitely.
Adding a bit of cooldown to aquamans trait too. Same with Batman.

Real easy to do that. Now, buffing everyone up? That's hard. Hard to do without creating bullshit.

 

[CCVengeance]

f they nerf Superman too mcuh I will drop this game.i will dissapear and no one willknow of the great legacy I could have left.

 

[Pterodactyl]

The only character that truly needs buffs LEX LUTHOR.


I'm on and off with this character, sometimes he's fantastic, other times he's absolute shit.

 

[x0Kakashi]

I lol'd at how people are exaggerating to DS close range too funny

 

[skateblind]

I prefer longer more tactical matches, so my preference is to just nerf until balanced. I would prefer to see longer fights in tournaments, then the crowd can get hype and stay hype, like a football match, but at the moment it is over within a few minutes before everyone gets the chance to watch a decent battle. I understand tournaments usually have loads of people all needing to play on the same day and long fights are not really practical time wise.

 

[TotteryManx]

There is nothing wrong with having a best character in the game that stands out. Every fg has one. SFIV has Cammy and Sagat. MVC3 has the Morrigan team, MK9 has Kabal, etc. etc. Just buff Bane, Lex, and Harley. That is all.

 

[Juggs]

2 BUFFS ENTER, NO NERFS LEAVE!

 

[Dulllyanna]

The only things that should be nerfed are things that are blatantly stupid, outstanding among the rest of the cast and make the game look like complete shit. Even then NRS should give a loooooooot of thought to what they do nerf, and buffing weaker characters should definitely take priority.

 

[IrishMantis]

Ideally? Buffs?

Realistically? Nerfs.

A nerf to supermans breath for example to be -4, would mean that his block strings, while still safe, are not as braindead and block infinitely.
Adding a bit of cooldown to aquamans trait too. Same with Batman.

Real easy to do that. Now, buffing everyone up? That's hard. Hard to do without creating bullshit.

I have a good idea how hey can fix Superman Block string without dropping frames, give the move pushback, if Black Adam db 3 causes pushback I think Supes freeze breath should too,

So in that mid screen is a lot safer to escape, but in the corner he still has his pressure, think about it makes sense

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I don't know why GL shows up in these discussions -- he is probably one of the more balanced characters in the game.

 

[Circus]

I have a good idea how hey can fix Superman Block string without dropping frames, give the move pushback, if Black Adam db 3 causes pushback I think Supes freeze breath should too,

So in that mid screen is a lot safer to escape, but in the corner he still has his pressure, think about it makes sense

That is the best suggestion for a Superman nerf I've heard. Great thinking. If Breathe pushes the opponent back enough that they could backdash away from another F23 then I think Superman would still be amazing but not so braindead and it wouldn't destroy him because he'd still have the crazy pressure in the corner.

Love it. You should seriously tweet the idea to Paulo.

 

[Posthuman]

None of the above.
shut up and adapt.

 

[Circus]

None of the above.
shut up and adapt.

Cute.

But if you think this game will never get a balance patch, you're delusional. This is a discussion on which direction they should take with that balance patch.

Adapt to the fact they are eventually going to patch the game.

 

[MorbidAltruism]

I didn't read through the entire thread... but I am surprised in such a different philosophy. I figured nerfing the few dominant characters would be way more practical than buffing everyone else. I guess the community disagrees. Fascinating. :16Bit