The Last Son of Krypton -- Superman General Discussion Thread

[RWDY Nori]

So thoughts on tonights RAW? I for one wish CM Punk was better the show is sooo boring now without him being the champ.

Damien sandow is fantastic on the mic and really improved his wrestling. Orton needs to turn heel but he has nobody to feud with. And the shield to me is saving raw. I also own the Antonio cesaro shirt and I truly think Vince is punishing cesaro for cm punk putting Vince on blast for not having cesaro on the wm card

 

[Shock]

hhh even said recently the pg era is here to stay.....which makes me sad. And like I said earlier, cena will never turn heel cause nobody is ready to be the number 1 face. I also think its the shareholders and not just Linda who like this pg garbage.

there's an old saying in the wrestling bizz, "Never say never brother"

 

[Belloz22]

I doubt another attitude era will start any time soon........ shame really. Even if you have some elements of it it would help. There is very little unexpected storylines or fights that make you go wow anymore. I totally agree that it is only really the Shield dragging the wwe on at the moment. It seems there is little new material explaining why they keep rehashing stuff..... I.e. hhh v brock for third time. Cena will always be there but why not give others a chance...........

It just seems all to predictable unfortunately! !!!

 

[Solo]

Does Superman feel the same to everyone?

 

[MKB]

The PG rating is not the problem with the current product. WWE was PG back in the 80's during the golden era and during the early 90's of the "new" generation and things were just fine. The reason the product sucks today is because WWE creative has no damn clue what they are doing. That, and Vince McMahon is completely out of touch with what people want to see today.

The Attitude Era had its place in history, but honestly I'd rather not see it return. You don't need cursing every other word, beer-drinking, and half-naked women in mud wrestling matches to make the show entertaining. That stuff appeals to the lowest common denominator and I'd like to think WWE is a bit higher class than that now. That doesn't mean I don't want to see it AT ALL anymore, but lauding those things as the key to WWE's success is extremely misguided. All WWE needs to do to return itself to its former glory is:

• Write intelligent storylines that have a logical flow
• Drop the lame gimmicks

 

[RWDY Nori]

there's an old saying in the wrestling bizz, "Never say never brother"

I just think today people are so PC about things, they are too afraid to offend somebody. Until they grow some balls I don't see it changing but I pray I'm wrong

 

[nfdsallwd]

so i finally decided to main superman (until he is raped with the nerf hammer, which, i hope, will not happen). and i got a question, are there any setups to crossup with jumping normals without air dashing? thanks in advance guys

 

[Joshkazkab]

He has one Cross up, and its incredibly hard to actually do.
His J3 can be an ambiguous cross up, but its annoyingly hard to pull off.

 

[nfdsallwd]

i see. and should i bother with air dash crossups, or are they seen a mile away and easily beaten? as far as i know, not many characters can easily anti air up at close distance, so it may be useful to get some air dashing from time to time?

 

[Raynex]

i see. and should i bother with air dash crossups, or are they seen a mile away and easily beaten? as far as i know, not many characters can easily anti air up at close distance, so it may be useful to get some air dashing from time to time?

It's one of his trickiest tools, especially when set up properly in controlled knockdown situations. Use it x10000

Also guys, I feel like we need a video thread. I'm assuming people will want to post progress, show tech, or watch high level matches, so having a thread for those purposes would be good.

For optimal originization:

- Superman General discussion (check)
- Superman all purpose guide (check)
- Superman match-up thread (check)
- Superman video thread

and no combo thread because I assume all optimized combos will be re-directed to DeathAndHealing 's guide. If this sounds good to everyone then I'll make the video thread.

 

[PANDEMlC]

What do you guys do when you start a combo near the corner but not close enough to go into your typical corner bnbs? For instance if I start with a f23 and the next string will get them to the corner, is a 3 freeze still possible or will they drop out after f2d1?

Also when you freeze someone but they're really close to the wall but not close enough to go into trait bnbs what do you guys do? I feel like I could improve a lot on this. B3 after freeze into stuff works but it's weird timing and I usually drop whatever it is I throw together on the fly.

 

[Belloz22]

The pg era is just the excuse for bad story writing as was mentioned earlier. It would be nice if there was some unique stuff going on...... or more variety etc. It seems now u could prob predict wm30s card

 

[Spletty]

My steps to improve wwe:

1. Nix ryback
2. Nix 3mb
3. Nix brotus clay dancing
4. Make it so every match featuring randy Orton doesn't look identical. He has some skill, but all matches look the same.
5. Create villains that are badass instead of annoying and douchey (punk was pretty good)
6. Just make the story lines less obvious. I guessed the outcome of every match of the last 3 ppvs correctly.
7. Believe in the shield

 

[MKB]

My steps to improve wwe:

1. Nix ryback
2. Nix 3mb
3. Nix brotus clay dancing
4. Make it so every match featuring randy Orton doesn't look identical. He has some skill, but all matches look the same.
5. Create villains that are badass instead of annoying and douchey (punk was pretty good)
6. Just make the story lines less obvious. I guessed the outcome of every match of the last 3 ppvs correctly.
7. Believe in the shield

I see where you are going, but with WWE being PG you have to be able to appeal to the younger audience in some fashion. I don't have a problem with people like 3MB, Brodus Clay, Santino, etc, so long as they are nowhere near the championship titles.

 

[Belloz22]

Its quite funny,were in a PG era, yet they are quite clearly pushing political and racial sterotyping with the whole Zeb Colter Real American storyline lol

 

[Joshkazkab]

You can just do MB Breath, J2, 11/111 trait. with that you can go for a grab, F23 for a combo on hit, F2D1 for a combo, B1. But if you want a Combo you can probably just do F23, F23 MB breath, Heat zap, F2D1, 3 breath. If they drop out during or immediately after the F2D1 then just omit it.

 

[GBS Giovanni]

Also guys, I feel like we need a video thread. I'm assuming people will want to post progress, show tech, or watch high level matches, so having a thread for those purposes would be good.

For optimal originization:

- Superman General discussion (check)
- Superman all purpose guide (check)
- Superman match-up thread (check)
- Superman video thread

and no combo thread because I assume all optimized combos will be re-directed to DeathAndHealing 's guide. If this sounds good to everyone then I'll make the video thread.

Been wondering why we didn't have one lol

 

[Raynex]

What do you guys do when you start a combo near the corner but not close enough to go into your typical corner bnbs? For instance if I start with a f23 and the next string will get them to the corner, is a 3 freeze still possible or will they drop out after f2d1?

Also when you freeze someone but they're really close to the wall but not close enough to go into trait bnbs what do you guys do? I feel like I could improve a lot on this. B3 after freeze into stuff works but it's weird timing and I usually drop whatever it is I throw together on the fly.

I created a near corner combo staple that I also use as my Bnb for a forced transition. You can use this to stage transition for swag or damage, or also to carry from a range 3 xx [MB] Breath doesn't work. The F2D1 after the F23 carries from REALLY far away and lets you end with some good shit.

Near Corner Optimized
F23, F2D1x3, 3~scoop, 3~Breath (33%)
F23~Trait, F2D1x3, 3~scoop, 3~Breath (42%)
F23, F2D1, 3~[MB] Breath, Heat Zap, F2D1, 3~scoop, 3~Breath (45%)

Stage transition BnB
any normal starter -> F2D1x3, 3~scoop, 3~[MB] Breath, B3. Don't add trait here, let the trains, spaceships and Darkseid do their job.


I'll get on that video thread then!

 

[Bildslash]

Any advice for dealing with Supes' rays before he chips me to dead?

 

[Joshkazkab]

block and dash in.
Heat vison, Air heat vison both have a long start up, and Air heat vison has awful recovery giving you enough time to block and dash in. Block high (incase he does MB Heat vison) and dash in.
Heat zap has a long start up but a fast recovery still giving you enough time to block low and dash in.

 

[Raynex]

Any advice for dealing with Supes' rays before he chips me to dead?

Air Vision: jump it from a distance. if close you have to meet him in the air with a move or GG. If you're reeeally close it will just miss. If you're scared it might hit, just dash underneath him.

Ground Vision: jump it like you would any fireball

Heat Zap: duck or jump, your choice

 

[PANDEMlC]

Both CDjr and Tyrant aren't using f2d13 to end combos, not sure why. No jd3s either, still waiting to see someone utilize this on a stream and do some massive damage in the corner as well as carry them there efficiently. Tyrant was ending his with sweep and CDjr was ending with bf3 a lot at WNF and Next Level.

 

[RWDY Nori]

I don't have a problem with people like 3MB, Brodus Clay, Santino, etc, so long as they are nowhere near the championship titles.

The sad thing is all of them are decent wrestlers in horrible gimmicks. The only one who WANTS to be doing what he's doing is Brodus Clay.

 

[Raynex]

It's new tech, and the only place to find out that F2D13 /jD3 is useful is on the TYM Supes boards (which they likely don't check). Hopefully they'll see it's merits soon!

 

[xQUANTUMx]

It's new tech, and the only place to find out that F2D13 /jD3 is useful is on the TYM Supes boards (which they likely don't check). Hopefully they'll see it's merits soon!

I don't have my ps ATM but does it do more damage than say, ending with b23 since both yield untechable KD? (Correct me if I'm wrong)


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