The Last Son of Krypton -- Superman General Discussion Thread

[gamemk]

Many of my friends are experts in wrestling history, but I only know general stuff. I didn't get into watching it seriously until the mid 90's. First Raw I remember watching was Razor Ramon losing to the lightning kid. lol. Watched regularly from there until I went to college. It sucked to see the attitude stuff end. I watch Raw every now and then, but the characters are boring imo. I miss the crazy antics that they used to have take place outside of the arena, like Austin getting thrown off of a bridge. lol.

http://www.wwe.com/videos/the-rock-throws-stone-cold-steve-austin-off-a-bridge-into-a-river-raw-april-12-1-26024636

 

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Many of my friends are experts in wrestling history, but I only know general stuff. I didn't get into watching it seriously until the mid 90's. First Raw I remember watching was Razor Ramon losing to the lightning kid. lol. Watched regularly from there until I went to college. It sucked to see the attitude stuff end. I watch Raw every now and then, but the characters are boring imo. I miss the crazy antics that they used to have take place outside of the arena, like Austin getting thrown off of a bridge. lol.

http://www.wwe.com/videos/the-rock-throws-stone-cold-steve-austin-off-a-bridge-into-a-river-raw-april-12-1-26024636

you mean xpac? and yes that was xpac. the reason why wwe is terrible now is not because of cena ( and no im not a cena fan) or being pg but time in society has changed ( social media and dancing with the stars aka touting tweeting and fandango) wwe is trying to go with whats hot in pop culture in todays generation.

also note tna ( not the best) but they have a biker gang similar to sons of anarchy. now me personally i like the stable but i wouldve done it not with ex wwe stars but with some indie guys from ring of honor, dragons gate pro, new japan.

and the reason why that stable is there is simply because sons of anarchy is a hot show ( probably my number 1 favorite with game of thrones second)

 

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also guys nxt signed two of the best indy guys formerly known as pac and chris hero ( who battled punk in the indies)



pac aka adriane neville also known as the man gravity forgot

chris hero aka kassius ohno

 

[MKB]

because cena is already over with the fans dude......

like i said make it someone like ziggler rhodes or sandow because out of those 3 at least they will get over with the fans. keep in mind the title isnt always what is important in getting someone over. why do you think guys like austin rock taker are 4 or 5 times champions wile guys like cena and hhh are 12 and 14 time champions?

hell i think codey rhodes is another that can go for either the streak or wwe title. rumor has it wwe is turning kofi heel ( wich makes no sense) and will push him

There is no way in hell Ziggler beats the Taker at WM and that goes doubly for either Rhodes Scholar member. Ziggler has been booked so terribly over the past few months that even some of the smart fans can't take him seriously now. It will have to be someone getting a major push or an established S-tier player like Cena/Punk.

 

[CamChattic]

Looks like supes had problems surviving when things get dirty in the losers bracket saw a lot of sets lost at 0-2 in losers over the weekend definitely seems characteristic though. What's goin on ppl?

 

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There is no way in hell Ziggler beats the Taker at WM and that goes doubly for either Rhodes Scholar member. Ziggler has been booked so terribly over the past few months that even some of the smart fans can't take him seriously now. It will have to be someone getting a major push or an established S-tier player like Cena/Punk.

punk is rumored to retire in 2015 and cena has 5 years left in him ( retires at 40)

who do you think should get a push ryback? please man the guy couldnt lift paul heyman at a house show 3 months ago to perform his shell shock.

i think sometime in the summer they should push ambrose as much as they can build a worth wile rivalry because wwe will be screwed once punk and cena are gone

 

[MKB]

According to wrestlezone.com earlier today, Taker wants to work with either Cena, Brock Lesnar, or the Shield at WM30. I could see a Brock Lesnar feud happening, but there's no way a part-timer will take out the Taker. The most likely options are probably Cena or, at least according to this latest article, the Shield (or one of its members, anyway.)

 

[Hitoshura]

You guys every heard of the Greek God Papadon?

 

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According to wrestlezone.com earlier today, Taker wants to work with either Cena, Brock Lesnar, or the Shield at WM30. I could see a Brock Lesnar feud happening, but there's no way a part-timer will take out the Taker. The most likely options are probably Cena or, at least according to this latest article, the Shield (or one of its members, anyway.)

my money is on cena because i dont see wwe pushing any of the shield into singles matches anytime soon. there supposed to win tag belts from team hell no this month and you know what that means ( hold onto a title that is basicly worthles since tag team wrestling is dead as long as vince is finalizing everything)

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

also guys nxt signed two of the best indy guys formerly known as pac and chris hero ( who battled punk in the indies)

Wtf? They're actually making HERO AND PAC go through NXT?
Chris fucking Hero and PAC?
That's just silly...

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

my money is on cena because i dont see wwe pushing any of the shield into singles matches anytime soon. there supposed to win tag belts from team hell no this month and you know what that means ( hold onto a title that is basicly worthles since tag team wrestling is dead as long as vince is finalizing everything)

Calling it now: One of two things will happen.

Either A)
-When the Shield inevitably split, it'll be under peaceful terms - say, Ambrose goes to Smackdown.
-The Hounds Of Justice are gonna break off and be their own dominant team on Raw.
-Dean Ambrose is gonna have a Heavyweight Title run before Mania 30.

Or B, aka. What I Am Praying With All My Inner Mark Strength Happens)
-They'll FINALLY turn Cena heel and make him the defacto leader of the Shield.


Either way...Ambrose. That is all.
He's gonna run shit. Soon. You watch.

 

[Tim Static]

Ps- Shock needs to get in on this thread.

Sent from The Turk

 

[RWDY Nori]

They'll FINALLY turn Cena heel and make him the defacto leader of the Shield.

Agreed w/everything in this post minus this. It would be great to see, I would love it, but the biggest problem and reason this doesn't happen: Who replaces him as the number 1 face? This is the PG era, where the good guy HAS to win. Punk is too good as a heel. Orton the same. Shield are heels. Taker/Lesnar/Y2J are part timers. Ziggler is a heel (even though I think he can be a great face). Rybotch will be fighting for the US title in 3 months cause he's THAT bad. ADR and Swagger are not nearly as over as WWE seems to think they are.

When Hogan turned heel, WCW had Sting, Flair, Macho Man to all be the faces. Now, you have nobody to replace him and ONLY the hardcore fans would benefit from this, not the people who line WWE's pockets.


MKillBill Shield vs Taker hurts one of them way too much. If Taker wins, the The Shield's credibility is gone cause no matter how great Taker is, he's still one guy who beat 3. And if The Shield ends the streak, I literally think some people would commit suicide

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Agreed w/everything in this post minus this. It would be great to see, I would love it, but the biggest problem and reason this doesn't happen: Who replaces him as the number 1 face? This is the PG era, where the good guy HAS to win. Punk is too good as a heel. Orton the same. Shield are heels. Taker/Lesnar/Y2J are part timers. Ziggler is a heel (even though I think he can be a great face). Rybotch will be fighting for the US title in 3 months cause he's THAT bad. ADR and Swagger are not nearly as over as WWE seems to think they are.

When Hogan turned heel, WCW had Sting, Flair, Macho Man to all be the faces. Now, you have nobody to replace him and ONLY the hardcore fans would benefit from this, not the people who line WWE's pockets.


MKillBill Shield vs Taker hurts one of them way too much. If Taker wins, the The Shield's credibility is gone cause no matter how great Taker is, he's still one guy who beat 3. And if The Shield ends the streak, I literally think some people would commit suicide

They need to breed someone new. Completely new.
Someone who, like Cena himself, can rise from seemingly nowhere in a year or so to take up the mantle when they make the switch, maybe around after Mania next year if Cena (presumably) is the next victime of the Streak.

As much as I absolutely hate to say this as a lifelong Kingston fan...the WWE...-_-...needs a Hero.

What Punk did for controversy and the bad guy, Hero can easily do for willpower and the good guy.
He now has two of the only people in the world on his same athletic level in Punk and Danielson as cohorts.
He's adept at playing the face while still maintaining an aura of badass about him so no one perceives him as a softy.
And if there was EVER a time or a scenario it'd be perfect for them to break him in with, it'd be to build him as the face heir to Cena.
It wouldn't really matter who came after him once his good guy turn inevitably ended, so long as he stays face long enough to comfortably transition Cena out as the full-fledged villain.
Shit, by then, you could build Punk as the Austin-esque cut from stone good guy and pair them up.

Punk VS Hero at Wrestlemania.

Jesus christ.

 

[RWDY Nori]

It's very very very hard to raise a new strong face in the PG era. People in general are tired of Cena (even though the irony is, HE CAN wrestle, contrary to what people think) cause of his very stale SuperCena act where he's down the whole match, pulls a Hogan comeback. At least Hogan sold some moves but I'm getting off the subject. I truly believe that Ziggler/Hero/Bryan Daniel/Rhodes would be GREAT faces if they were pushed properly. However, this is the WWE we are talking about here. The current PG era, heels have to lose clean all the time and heels can only win w/interference or BS. And until HHH gets rid of the scripts for wrestlers (which he said he's going to do soon I'm ecstatic about), everybody on the roster will continue to sound the same.

And if Punk is gonna be like SCSA, they ALWAYS need to give him free reign to say what he wants. Punk, as much as I like him, tends to come off as a whiner instead of a rebel, there is a difference. We always want to side w/the underdog but ultimately, he's

 

[Belloz22]

Id actually like Cena to turn heel..... most people seem to want it..... and alot of people seem to have thought wwe were gonna do it following wm29. If he was to join the shield, to me it would be to much like the nexus storyline or the aces and eight one in tna at the moment. It could be cena joins sheild and him and ambrose fight for power of the team, eventually leading to a split where cena goes into a rivarly with ambrose and the other 2 pursue tag team. Its obv that wwe want to push ambrose on his own eventually.

 

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Calling it now: One of two things will happen.

Either A)
-When the Shield inevitably split, it'll be under peaceful terms - say, Ambrose goes to Smackdown.
-The Hounds Of Justice are gonna break off and be their own dominant team on Raw.
-Dean Ambrose is gonna have a Heavyweight Title run before Mania 30.

Or B, aka. What I Am Praying With All My Inner Mark Strength Happens)
-They'll FINALLY turn Cena heel and make him the defacto leader of the Shield.


Either way...Ambrose. That is all.
He's gonna run shit. Soon. You watch.

cena will never be heel because he would always have to be :: on as such: in and out of the ring

him going heel would be bad expecially for the make a wish foundation

look i use to be one of those guys that say make cena heel but yea wont happen

 

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paul Bearer is already confirmed for the 2014 WWE Hall of Fame Class. Bearer's family has reportedly already reached a deal with WWE for the induction.

It was reported that The Undertaker is very high on the list of people to induct Bearer but Michael "PS" Hayes is a close runner-up. Bearer and Hayes were friends before they even started working in the wrestling business.


also

he got bloodied by jones at least weeks ufc ppv

Source: TMZ

UFC fighter Chael Sonnen tells TMZ that he wants to buy WWE when he retires from MMA fighting. Chael's rep told TMZ that he's not joking and has already met with "bigwig friends in the investment world to enact his takeover."
A WWE rep told TMZ:

"We are a publicly traded company, so [Chael is] more than welcome to purchase shares of WWE stock and become one of our valued shareholders."

 

[Tim Static]

Why not? WWE is hurting for main event, full time stars and what better way to create one (or more) than by snapping the streak?

i love taker but he isnt really healthy. he had a minor heart attack after the first hhh match at mania

plus hes not a young guy anymore ( wich is why he is rarely on tv)

Yes, i know, but his only loss, if it happens, needs to be a handing off the torch kinda thing, not "oh, its a handicap match he can't win".

And if its Cena, I will fucking vomit.

 

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Yes, i know, but his only loss, if it happens, needs to be a handing off the torch kinda thing, not "oh, its a handicap match he can't win".

And if its Cena, I will fucking vomit.

like i said ziggler could be one or maybe daniel bryan or or dean ambrose ( i love dean since i followed him during his indy days)


oh and guess who will be at next years rumble that i met at c2e2 ( and he looks great for 7 months sober)

 

[RWDY Nori]

And if its Cena, I will fucking vomit.

If Cena ends the streak, I literally think he will have real death threats, I can totally see it happening. He doesn't NEED to beat the Undertaker he's already sadly a HOFer

 

[Belloz22]

Am I the only one who thinks Kane shud be the only candidate to end the streak?? Have a storyline where he slowly goes back to his dark persona...... easily could be done on a run up to wm30 wid taker. For everything Kane as given to WWE he deserves it plus it wud be Takers " brother" ending the streak!!!

 

[RWDY Nori]

Am I the only one who thinks Kane shud be the only candidate to end the streak?? Have a storyline where he slowly goes back to his dark persona...... easily could be done on a run up to wm30 wid taker. For everything Kane as given to WWE he deserves it plus it wud be Takers " brother" ending the streak!!!

Kane has never really gotten the respect he deserves and he ends the streak and they pose together or something, I think nobody would really complain about them. Even them both retiring at the same time would be hype as fuck. I'd mark out

 

[Belloz22]

Kane has never really gotten the respect he deserves and he ends the streak and they pose together or something, I think nobody would really complain about them. Even them both retiring at the same time would be hype as fuck. I'd mark out

This is what i mean - he will never really be remember as a WWE champion or anything like that, and he has done so much for the company esp if the rumours are true he has alway pushed other wrestlers over himself. I would love to see Kane embrace the dark side again - image the atmosphere if Kane and Takerd WM3o both with dark personas. And if they make it clear it is Takers last match- they could do the brotherly embrace once Kane wins!!!! I think it would be like the younger brother living up to the bigger brother kind of thing !!!

 

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Kane has never really gotten the respect he deserves and he ends the streak and they pose together or something, I think nobody would really complain about them. Even them both retiring at the same time would be hype as fuck. I'd mark out

eh its not about respect. it is well known kane refused to be a world champion because he believes he can help the younger guys

for that i respect him . i love being involved in reading back stage politics with what go's on behind the scenes so yea