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Competing in MK9 with pad instead of stick

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noobharvester

Noob
I have little experience with a stick and know that for exampple SF4 a stick is mandatory to compete at a high level.

Is this the same case for MK9?
 
Fenixy

Fenixy

Noob
MK works realy good with pad

my only problem with pad is that after playing 5hrs+ straight, my hands hurts. While on stick i can play 50hrs and feel ok. But it's mabye becouse i'm not trained much for pad
 
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noobharvester

Noob
I'm watching the teamsp00ky tournament and the guy who played Kung Lao was really fast.

Is that type of gameplay playable on a pad or is it too fast?

That is my main concern. I plan on practicing my heart out and I'm hoping pads don't have a limit.
 
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MikeyCe

Noob
noobharvester said:
I'm watching the teamsp00ky tournament and the guy who played Kung Lao was really fast.

Is that type of gameplay playable on a pad or is it too fast?

That is my main concern. I plan on practicing my heart out and I'm hoping pads don't have a limit.
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That Lao was PerfectLegend, he uses a PS3 pad for MK. Heck, a ton of players are using pad THTB, Brady, Wong, REO... This game doesn't require 360's to be performed hence it being pad friendly.
 
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evansgambit

Guardian of Outworld
MK9 with a pad is easier than SF4 with a pad, as is the case with 4 attack buttons vs 6. Because of this I consider playing MK on a pad quite fine, whereas its unacceptable or disadvantaged to with SF4. Fighting games have always been designed for an arcade stick, but that aside doesn't mean you can't win with a pad. It's just harder, or potentially harder in the long run.

For those who say preference, it actually comes down to training or re-training, as you have to pretty much unlearn what you previously learnt while you transition from one to the other. Some people can't get pass this initial hurdle and give up. Fair enough, as this can be a time consuming process. There is actually a professional SF4 pad player by the name of Vangief, who shows that you can win with pad, even at the highest level. But that is only due to the fact that on a pad, you have access to two directional inputs at the same time - the direction buttons and the analog stick. Hence, he can hold forward on one and spin the lever 720 on the other, to perform walking Atomic Busters.

Here are what I think are the main disadvantages of a pad:
- One thumb has to hit all the attack buttons, instead of using different fingers
- Thumb on the direction buttons can get sore, although you could use the analog stick
- Pressing various two button attack combinations can be difficult
- Can't negative edge multiple special attacks as easilly
- Piano-ing attack buttons might be a problem
- Response rate depends on quality of buttons,

And here are my advantages of a pad:
- Low cost,
- Possibly less time to learn or relearn
- can be used in any other type of game such as third person shooter

Having said all that, would a great MK pad player be just as great on a stick, or vice versa?

I'm playing on a stick, but I actually prefer keyboard for MK. You just easilly tap the arrows without worrying about any diagonals.

@noobharvester: mandatory? Vangief's shown us nothing's mandatory. But I would say you'll be at a very slight to insignificant, almost negligible disadvantage. Yet that various on any new techniques to come, and your character's moveset.
 
BATTLEBEAR

BATTLEBEAR

NJ Jobber
pad for mk works very well. As said before, it really puts you at a disadvantage for SF4 considering you have to hit all 3 attack buttons for most ultras and such. plus you cant piano on a pad nearly as easily. but for mk, it works great. shit I beat everyone on a stick in mk casuals at a recent tourny. And they were pretty ok at mk.
 
Hella Pogi

Hella Pogi

Noob
I tried both SF pad and stick
I can't help not use stick so I'm comfortable with that so its really preference although i can see why Pad is preferable especially with a block button but I'm already used to it.


Also if you do go to tournaments or something its helpful to know what system
Recently went to one and I have a 360 stick while most of their set ups were PS3 so I either had to find a PS3 stick which was close to impossible or play on PS3 pad which I had no experience with lol.
 
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noobharvester

Noob
Looks like I will be sticking to my pad then, it's what I'm used to and if pros can do it I'm probably better off practicning with what I'm used to.
 
chrisofrays

chrisofrays

Fish can hear you thinkin just before you sneeze
I got a sf4 TE stick that I use for mk but also use a pad. I feel using a stick is a lot better then the 360 controller due to the really bad d-pad. If you have a ps3 u probably won't need a stick for mk as the d-pad is awesome
 
DaiHuu

DaiHuu

Nightwolf Mourner
chessmaster said:
it is if your character has full circle movements.
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That's why Vangief obtained top 8 at Evo last year with Zangief on a ps3 pad right?

It's complete preference. most people grew up playing mk on pad, and that's fine. Don't think buying a tool that doesn't have to do with actual in game stuff (Like dlc characters) will make you bad. It's all about what's more comfortable for you in the long run.
 
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chessmaster

Dojo Trainee
DaiHuu said:
That's why Vangief obtained top 8 at Evo last year with Zangief on a ps3 pad right?

It's complete preference. most people grew up playing mk on pad, and that's fine. Don't think buying a tool that doesn't have to do with actual in game stuff (Like dlc characters) will make you bad. It's all about what's more comfortable for you in the long run.
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ps3 pad. not xbox 360 pad, which is what i was talking about.
 
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GStick

Noob
I use d-pad in MK9 and for characters like Ryu in SF, and analog for charge characters. I feel like I'm part of a fringe group sometimes.
 
Abudabi

Abudabi

Noob
ReveLations MK Grandfinals-Kabal Mirrormatch

Michelangelo (pad) vs Online Tony(Stick)

That said, regardless of the outcome it is still just preference :fight:

For online play I prefer the pad over the stick because I seem to experience more input lag on stick
 
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cabibi

Noob
chessmaster said:
ps3 pad. not xbox 360 pad, which is what i was talking about.
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Bingo.

I was just going to say the same thing and go off on the xbox pad. I own both systems, and the ps3 pad is so much better for fighting.

I've seen a kid at a Utah tourney I participated in, and MK was on the xbox... dude had an adapter to use the ps3 controller.

If you're going to use a pad, use the ps3 one. The non-disc directional pad is alot more suitable for MK, the trigger buttons have shallower connection points, and it's just alot less clunky.

I wiff alot of combos with the xbox controller due to the loose dpad, and unpredictable trigger buttons. ps3 pad is the way to go.
 
Sporko

Sporko

Noob
I could not agree more. I'm stuck in the unenviable position of having to use x-box pads when I go to one of my friend's casual sessions and it is just awful
 
KazerX

KazerX

Noob
The Xbox 360 D-pad drives me insane... The PS3 D-pad is so much better. I have a TE stick lying around that I use for fun but I enjoy playing on the PS3 pad in MK more.

You can purchase an xtokki 360 converter to plug a PS2 controller to an Xbox 360. Also if people prefer using a wired PS2 controller on the PS3 they can purchase an iNPiN PS2 to PS3 converter. Both are sold on www.etokki.com
 
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evansgambit

Guardian of Outworld
DaiHuu said:
That's why Vangief obtained top 8 at Evo last year with Zangief on a ps3 pad right?
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I think it was because Vangief, could do the walking 720 by using forward on the d-pad, and spinning the analogue stick. Caught alot of people off guard because, they've never seen it. Extended walking Ultimate Atomic Busters. Now that's debatable, if you had that kind of unique setup on a stick with two direction inputs.

And if Vangief changes mains, which he might, cause they really did a number on AE Zangief. (Lost EX Greenhand knockdown is painful, no matter how good they buff the Ultra 2). We'd most likely see him use stick, I define most likely as greater than 51%.

Also someone mentioned a pro player using C.Viper with a pad, I recently heard that player changed to stick. It's obvisious he didn't want to be handicapped anymore, but the fact that he made a name for himself using a pad Viper. Simply brillant.

Now onto MK9, its PS3 pad and stick friendly so you could make do with either generally. However, I'm not yet convinced. Advanced combos involving alot of dashes, rapid fire button presses (Cage's corner BP combo), sways me to stick. Then again, that could be to the fault of the large negative edge window.

I also find I have inconsistency, using Enhanced moves on pad. Sometimes, I get the normal move, sometimes, I get the enhanced moves, and sometimes, block. Maybe I'm not used to pressing the R2 trigger well. Same with throw, sometimes I get it, sometimes I get a punch/kick - even though I sworn I've pressed both at the same time. Yes, I'm not a fan of using the throw macro on PS3 pad. As for stick, just got to memorize the awkward fingering for enhanced moves.

After playing quite a bit, I can't help to think, that this game was made for pad. Think about it, the X-Ray macros, the throw macros, 8 buttons. Sticks only have 6 buttons usually. And also no diagonal directions, which is what the PS3 d-pad is like.
 
iWumbo

iWumbo

Noob
Abudabi said:
ReveLations MK Grandfinals-Kabal Mirrormatch

Michelangelo (pad) vs Online Tony(Stick)
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Perfect example. When you really get down to it, skill > controllers. If you're good with something, then you're good.
I'm sure that, given an appropriate amount of time, someone would be able to learn how to do combos with a Guitar Hero controller...........
NOBODY TAKE MY IDEA, I WILL BE GUITAR MAN AT NEXT TOURNEY. lol.
 
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