ask johnny cage thread

[BenGmanUk]

what up guys ,i have been playing JC for a while now and i enjoy it a lot although subzero gives me huge trouble getting in ,i mean cage is at his best rushing in ,and that just can't happen against a good turtling subzero (i fuckin hate that clone)

any strategy against a good subzero?how can i get in safely?

btw my bnb against subzero : jp b3 dash 2,1 4,4 nut punch

it's good damage and keeps me in his face.

Are you using ex shadow kick to blast through his clone? usually they'll launch an iceball at you straight after a clone.

 

[BenGmanUk]

One of the cage combos from Tom Bradys living guide starts b4 (i.e. sweep), dash, 2 but I can't seem to get it. Was this hotfixed or was it meant to show as a b3 starter?

 

[Lyuben]

How deal with low pokers like Mileena and Kitana who lower their hitbox? Cant kick em. Flip kick em. Fireball em. Nut punch em and none of his pokes have the range or the speed. His d4 is crap. d3 and d1 are good but cannot in anyway compete.

 

[Playpal]

One of the cage combos from Tom Bradys living guide starts b4 (i.e. sweep), dash, 2 but I can't seem to get it. Was this hotfixed or was it meant to show as a b3 starter?

I don't think that's possible because the 2 is too slow and doesn't have a big enough hitbox. You could use B4 d1 though.

It could have been a typo as you stated though, maybe it was supposed to be B3, dash 2, dash 2, dash 2, 4 4 nut punch.

 

[leek]

How deal with low pokers like Mileena and Kitana who lower their hitbox? Cant kick em. Flip kick em. Fireball em. Nut punch em and none of his pokes have the range or the speed. His d4 is crap. d3 and d1 are good but cannot in anyway compete.

44. whiff the first hit.

 

[BoysBoysBoys]

Does Cage get a guaranteed F4 after a standing blocked 11?

 

[Playpal]

Does Cage get a guaranteed F4 after a standing blocked 11?

His 28 frame F4? No.

 

[BoysBoysBoys]

His 28 frame F4? No.

F3* ♡

 

[Playpal]

I just did some testing and I have to say I don't think 11 even gives frame advantage. Tested on CPU and sometimes it would give a delayed jump, other times it jumped at the same time as me.

Don't expect anyone to get out of your frame trap after a 11 though, it cancels quickly and no one really sees it coming.

 

[TimTim]

Uhhhh I see metallica say whiff the 44 for mileena and kitana's small hitboxes but what does that do? Does it just get a free hit or does it set something up like a special or string?

 

[leek]

Uhhhh I see metallica say whiff the 44 for mileena and kitana's small hitboxes but what does that do? Does it just get a free hit or does it set something up like a special or string?

Doesn't set up anything, just makes them think twice about D4. You get a hit and they go into block mode. On hit it's not really much adv so you can't set up much. It's just something to use. Foxy said it better but it's a little tougher: jump-in kick to F3 nutpunch.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

The ask and QnA Johnny Cage threads really need to be merged lol

 

[TimTim]

Now can anyone give me advice on zoners. I played a sindel today and it was a losing battle. I mean one wakeup and shes back to zoning and I can't build meter fast enough to have so many red kicks, what can I do?

 

[leek]

Now can anyone give me advice on zoners. I played a sindel today and it was a losing battle. I mean one wakeup and shes back to zoning and I can't build meter fast enough to have so many red kicks, what can I do?

Don't red kick her anyways. It knocks backk too far unless she is near a wall. Just have to dash block in, she isn't really damaging as for combos so the fireballs are all she has to really damage you. Just dash block in like i said and when you get in she can't really poke out well, her pokes are slow(er).

The red kick should really only be used if you need the damage or to check the opponent into realizing they aren't safe for long.

 

[TimTim]

Its a lot easier said than done. Eventually they figure out that switching between low ball and high ball doesn't work so they will mix it up and now I have to guess while trying to get in and its even worse for ermac/reptile. Idk if its lack of good kenshis on xbox but I haven't had trouble with him yet. The worst is sub though if they get me out once I can rarely win. Trading with ice balls used to somewhat work because they couldn't get full combos and with online lag I can get away with it full screen but now with the 10 extra frames on the freeze trading isn't an option. My other two mains are mileena and kabal and mileena is terrible against sub and IAF are a pain in the ass to do online so if I go against a good sub life gets a lot harder.

 

[leek]

Its a lot easier said than done. Eventually they figure out that switching between low ball and high ball doesn't work so they will mix it up and now I have to guess while trying to get in and its even worse for ermac/reptile. Idk if its lack of good kenshis on xbox but I haven't had trouble with him yet. The worst is sub though if they get me out once I can rarely win. Trading with ice balls used to somewhat work because they couldn't get full combos and with online lag I can get away with it full screen but now with the 10 extra frames on the freeze trading isn't an option. My other two mains are mileena and kabal and mileena is terrible against sub and IAF are a pain in the ass to do online so if I go against a good sub life gets a lot harder.

Trust me I know it is; I still do ex shadow at the wrong times. I'm not great at all, I know how you're supposed to play, I know the philosophy, the strategy, but I can't implement it into my own gameplay well.

Don't bother trading with sub, it's not worth it especially now, and I don't recommend throwing a forceball except at midscreen or further on their wakeup(they were knocked down) on say shadow kick. If you can successfully, more power to you, show me how to do it right lol. But as of now I don't think it's the best idea. It's a bad projectile. You can however catch a levitating sindel, trying to fake you out with a high forceball for a free 8 % and a dash or two.

 

[lespaulphoenix]

Hey, guys. I'm a visual learner, so i have problems taking what i read in text and applying it to my playing. Are there any instructional videos on Cage that I may be referred to? Thanks in advance.

 

[Playpal]

Hey, guys. I'm a visual learner, so i have problems taking what i read in text and applying it to my playing. Are there any instructional videos on Cage that I may be referred to? Thanks in advance.

http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?7584-Examing-REO-s-Johnny-Cage

This is old and it's pre-patch. If you see REO do F3 2 nut punch try and pretend he didn't. F3 2 is still a great string that grants another guaranteed F3. I learned all about Johnny Cage from that vid there.

 

[eskuAdradit0]

I need some help against Noob Saibot.

How do you deal with 50/50 zoning? If I get close, he upknees which is safe on block. I can't jump, can't dash block with confidence, and red kick pushes them way too far. Can't crossup jump.

I'm kinda idiotic with this new patch.

 

[Dizzy]

I need some help against Noob Saibot.

How do you deal with 50/50 zoning? If I get close, he upknees which is safe on block. I can't jump, can't dash block with confidence, and red kick pushes them way too far. Can't crossup jump.

I'm kinda idiotic with this new patch.

Against noobs who love to spam the upshadow you can D4 them. On his D4 gives quite good advantage, I am pretty sure you can get a F3 uninterrupted to start pressuring him

 

[Btt Ownge Mble]

How do you beat a zoning Kitana? I've played this guys Kitana a few times and all he does is throw instant air fans. When I finally dash block up to him he just runs away with square wave and I have nothing to stop that from happening and then I have to chase him the length of the screen again.

It is pretty frustrating and I don't know how Cage is supposed to deal with this? I thought of just doing red kicks through the fans and then nut punching under fans to build meter to red kick her to death, but is that really all I can do?

 

[leek]

How do you beat a zoning Kitana? I've played this guys Kitana a few times and all he does is throw instant air fans. When I finally dash block up to him he just runs away with square wave and I have nothing to stop that from happening and then I have to chase him the length of the screen again.

It is pretty frustrating and I don't know how Cage is supposed to deal with this? I thought of just doing red kicks through the fans and then nut punching under fans to build meter to red kick her to death, but is that really all I can do?

neutral crouch. don't block. iaf and ground fans miss. don't dash into crouch, the hitbox extends above you for a split second after he ducks down, so you'll be hit. just crouch and walk in a little. try to get the health lead in the first move, if you know they jump in go for B3 combo, or down poke to start up pressure and gain a bar.. watch out for x-ray, it hit's mid so if you neutral crouch you'll be hit.

 

[Btt Ownge Mble]

neutral crouch. don't block. iaf and ground fans miss. don't dash into crouch, the hitbox extends above you for a split second after he ducks down, so you'll be hit. just crouch and walk in a little. try to get the health lead in the first move, if you know they jump in go for B3 combo, or down poke to start up pressure and gain a bar.. watch out for x-ray, it hit's mid so if you neutral crouch you'll be hit.

Yeah I can usually get decently close but then they just run away again and it's reset. Also slowly inching up like this builds a ton of meter for them so they always have breaker if I ever do get my pressure started anyway

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

It never really matters that much if the opponent has a breaker when you're playing as Cage since most of your damage is chip damage, what matters more is if they have meter for an armoured move which you can bait and hopefully punish. Thats where you try to put something in your offense that looks like either a pattern or a hole and they'll just do it to try to get out.

Dont fear Kitana or Sub Zero, just get a lifelead and run. Forcing them to come to you basically puts them in a shitty situation because Cage always wins up close

 

[TimTim]

Wondering if 132 has any use. It has range and the execution is 8 frames according to the frame data guide and note that it looks very cool, but doesn't seem to be useful in any situation unless you know it'll kill. I also see some people use 13 en fireballs. Can it be more useful than f3 3? You can use 13 nutpunch or 13 en fireballs but I don't see how it can be of use and if they don't block the 13 the fireballs will whiff. Any info would be appreciated