My Personal Tier List

[Big Pampering]

I would say kitana switch with jax

 

[Prinz]

Mining Jade puts decision making in question... Ok, seems logical.

 

[w1nter warz]

Well , my opinion on cyrax is he is top 7 in the game. The 5 better characters I feel do better are Kabal, Kenshi , Freddy ,Sonya ,Lao imo.
I personally feel that people are getting to hype about rax because they get blown up for not playing the matchup right. Yes there is the comeback factor for cyrax, but I feel many people don't go into depth about cyrax's weaknesses and exploit them.

Rax can get easily outzoned by alot of characters and there are several matchups that do not go in cyrax's favor. Seriously,just because a char has huge damage combos doesn't mean he is top 2 in the game. He has to get close and aslong you can keep away or build meter well, then you are fine.

 

[Enenra]

Did you happen to receive a mic with your new fancy Xbox?

I did, actually.

 

[Prinz]

Well , my opinion on cyrax is he is top 7 in the game. The 5 better characters I feel do better are Kabal, Kenshi , Freddy ,Sonya ,Lao imo.
I personally feel that people are getting to hype about rax because they get blown up for not playing the matchup right. Yes there is the comeback factor for cyrax, but I feel many people don't go into depth about cyrax's weaknesses and exploit them.

Rax can get easily outzoned by alot of characters and there are several matchups that do not go in cyrax's favor. Seriously,just because a char has huge damage combos doesn't mean he is top 2 in the game. He has to get close and aslong you can keep away or build meter well, then you are fine.

This, also he can be punished for opening his chest. People just have to learn not to freak out when he opens his chest. Also, winterwarz, you have an amazing Cyrax. Step up man, I believe you can take majors.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Well , my opinion on cyrax is he is top 7 in the game. The 5 better characters I feel do better are Kabal, Kenshi , Freddy ,Sonya ,Lao imo.
I personally feel that people are getting to hype about rax because they get blown up for not playing the matchup right. Yes there is the comeback factor for cyrax, but I feel many people don't go into depth about cyrax's weaknesses and exploit them.

Rax can get easily outzoned by alot of characters and there are several matchups that do not go in cyrax's favor. Seriously,just because a char has huge damage combos doesn't mean he is top 2 in the game. He has to get close and aslong you can keep away or build meter well, then you are fine.

What character other than cyrax can u not make mOre than 1-2 mistakes and win?

 

[DJ L Toro]

there's one (other) thing wrong with this list:
according to Perfect Legend Kung Lao is not top 10

 

[Chuckychuck]

Well , my opinion on cyrax is he is top 7 in the game. The 5 better characters I feel do better are Kabal, Kenshi , Freddy ,Sonya ,Lao imo.
I personally feel that people are getting to hype about rax because they get blown up for not playing the matchup right. Yes there is the comeback factor for cyrax, but I feel many people don't go into depth about cyrax's weaknesses and exploit them.

Rax can get easily outzoned by alot of characters and there are several matchups that do not go in cyrax's favor. Seriously,just because a char has huge damage combos doesn't mean he is top 2 in the game. He has to get close and aslong you can keep away or build meter well, then you are fine.

Perhaps should expose him for us?

 

[NariTuba]

What character other than cyrax can u not make mOre than 1-2 mistakes and win?

The more pressure a character can put on you, the more mistakes you will make. Cyrax has trouble putting pressure on the opp in several matchups; ESPECIALLY pressure that will lead to his big damage. Bombs, more than 2 AA hits into net or meterless hit confirm/net do NOT lead to his big damage. I agree with @w1nter warz that people are still not playing the matchup correctly. Lao for example does half the damage but his retarded mobility and tools can force you to make a LOT more mistakes, which in the end makes him a better character.

 

[Gimmick]

NostraThomas Brady

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

The more pressure a character can put on you, the more mistakes you will make. Cyrax has trouble putting pressure on the opp in several matchups; ESPECIALLY pressure that will lead to his big damage. Bombs, more than 2 AA hits into net or meterless hit confirm/net do NOT lead to his big damage. I agree with @w1nter warz that people are still not playing the matchup correctly. Lao for example does half the damage but his retarded mobility and tools can force you to make a LOT more mistakes, which in the end makes him a better character.

I play the MU correctly, never lost to a cyrax ever until Dallas

Not being a prisoner of the moment , if I got 65%-80% off a Mileena anti air roll I'd be the first one saying to all MILEENA is tops

 

[Tom Brady]

I play the MU correctly, never lost to a cyrax ever until Dallas

Not being a prisoner of the moment , if I got 65%-80% off a Mileena anti air roll I'd be the first one saying to all MILEENA is tops

its 88% plus no wake up attack. In fact, they bring you back to the ground and get more offense.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

its 88% plus no wake up attack. In fact, they bring you back to the ground and get more offense.

Preaching to the choir

 

[NariTuba]

I play the MU correctly, never lost to a cyrax ever until Dallas

Not being a prisoner of the moment , if I got 65%-80% off a Mileena anti air roll I'd be the first one saying to all MILEENA is tops

I do believe you play the matchup correctly, but you didnt counterpick Cyrax. Denzell was forced to switch characters vs Kitana at Dallas. Sonya is a nice counterpick as well. You said on stream that maybe you should have picked Sektor and I agree, he does well vs Cyrax too.

edit: for the record I think Cyrax is one of the best characters in the game... just not n2

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I do believe you play the matchup correctly, but you didnt counterpick Cyrax. Denzell was forced to switch characters vs Kitana at Dallas. Sonya is a nice counterpick as well. You said on stream that maybe you should have picked Sektor and I agree, he does well vs Cyrax too.

edit: for the record I think Cyrax is one of the best characters in the game... just not n2

Yea sektor would have been cool

Why is Sonya so good vS cyrax?

 

[BillStickers]

Yea sektor would have been cool

Why is Sonya so good vS cyrax?

She's not. It's 5-5 at best for Sonya.

Edit: the main problem is that people think that "a net and a dream" still applies to Cyrax. He has evolved immensely on all fronts.

 

[NariTuba]

Yea sektor would have been cool

Why is Sonya so good vS cyrax?

Her projectile is good enough to prevent him from zoning. She has to be very sloppy to trade with a net at full screen or 3/4s, otherwise she recovers in time to block it or dash out of bomb range into another ring before he can do anything.

He has NO response to her d4~ms stuff at mid range except for betting it all on a random net that catches her whiffing a d4. His only other choice is to try to make her whiff the d4 and come in with his d4, but even if you hit her she will be crouching, so no hit confirm folloups for him (his only mid, standing 3, has crap range and cannot be hit confirmed.)

She has godlike adaptation to his only chance at winning (random net). She can bait it and jump over divekick, or just armor through it on reaction if she scouts it.

Her low hitbox give him the same problems all low hitbox characters give him... his good, hit confirmable strings and his command grab whiff. She can poke under all his good stuff, even when shes at minus.

 

[trustinme]

The sum of Cyrax´bad and even matchups is too large for him to be 2nd in the game. I agree with the rest of the list.

a character that can get 70% from 1 bar doesnt have what id call "bad" match ups and dont even get me started on the fucking command grab.

 

[RTM2004]

The only advantage I know Sonya has against Cyrax is her 7f Uppercut and her Pink Energy Rings. Everything else Cyrax does, he has an answer for her stuff like whiff punishing her D4 bait and using his Air Throw on jump in and Dive Kick attempts. Other than that, Sonya has no teleport to get across his minefield of Bombs and Green Nets not unless you count her Arc Kick as a teleport move LOL

 

[w1nter warz]

Characters that for sure has the matchup in their favour imo -> freddy ,sonya,smoke,sektor,kabal
According to krayzie, jax and liu kang also have a winning matchups but I can maybe only seeing kang as winning and not jax.
(I personally do not agree with some of the numbers that krayzie put up regarding some chars but that is just imo )

@Pig
you play two characters that go 5-5 with cyrax and also two characters that win it(freddy and sektor). I do not want to hear about your complaints against cyrax and him being the second best. I respect your opinion and will always take what you say into consideration but this specific topic , I cannot agree with. Sorry buddy .Don't get me wrong, Tom brady is right, cyrax is fucked up for sure, but he is the 6th best in the game for a reason. He goes 5-5 with a lot of the cast and 5 matchups that he loses for sure.

If you feel you are losing the matchup because of one or two mistakes, maybe it is because you are playing too risky. Doing roll on wakeup is going to lead you to net reset. Playing risky in general will lead you to a reset. Good cyrax players will try waiting until you do something risky and blow you up with resets for it.

@at all you players getting blown up by resets
We cyrax players do not fuck around with your bullshit risky maneuvers.
I played Perfect Legend Lao vs Cyrax and the reason PL loses that SPECIFIC matchup because he does dive kick and tries to spin me randomly (I think the matchup is 5-5). You will lose if you play risky. But when I play cdjr , he wins more because all he does is use 2,1 mixup with wing chun and teleport mixups because it is more safe and builds meter. All I can really do is air throw and poke in that matchup vs him.

In my opinion,players need to realize that playing cyrax is match of patience because they will throw those nets and see if you are going to keep throwing out specials without thinking what the other player is doing. Zoners like sektor and freddy win because they are safe with their projectiles and build good meter. Characters like sonya win or go even is because they build meter on chip and /or have low hitbox. Believe it or not Maxter thinks cage vs rax is 6-4 cage (CAN YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT SHIT? I cannot it is 5-5). Maxter plays that matchup patiently and that is why he beats me more than I beat him in tournaments.

 

[AREZ God of War]

100% in order

I like this, there a few changes I would make personally like Skarlett above Kang and Kitana, Ermac in A-tier and NightWolf in B-tier, but then again, you have experience I will probably never have so it might be little more than just MY opinion. I agree w/ S-tier, but idk about the order of it, tbh. Cyrax as #2??? I still say Lao is #2.

 

[REO]

There's a reason you can't use pure Cyrax to win a major. It's because his bad match ups are extremely common tournament picks and he's not 2nd.

He loses 3-7 to Kabal and Smoke. Then he loses 4-6 to Sonya, Freddy, Sektor, Liu, and Kitana. Kitana is probably 4.5-5.5 than 4-6, but you guys get the point. Also I don't care if xx beat 16bit's Kitana with Cyrax. Shut up, match up played properly is ass for Cyrax.

 

[Chongo]

There's a reason you can't use pure Cyrax to win a major. It's because his bad match ups are extremely common tournament picks and he's not 2nd.

He loses 3-7 to Kabal and Smoke. Then he loses 4-6 to Sonya, Freddy, Sektor, Liu, and Kitana. Kitana is probably 4.5-5.5 than 4-6, but you guys get the point. Also I don't care if xx beat 16bit's Kitana with Cyrax. Shut up, match up played properly is ass for Cyrax.

Smoke-Cyrax 7-3? I don't see that.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

w1nter warz good points man

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

There's a reason you can't use pure Cyrax to win a major. It's because his bad match ups are extremely common tournament picks and he's not 2nd.

He loses 3-7 to Kabal and Smoke. Then he loses 4-6 to Sonya, Freddy, Sektor, Liu, and Kitana. Kitana is probably 4.5-5.5 than 4-6, but you guys get the point. Also I don't care if xx beat 16bit's Kitana with Cyrax. Shut up, match up played properly is ass for Cyrax.

That's an interesting way to look at a tier list

I think most times it depends on the bracket but there are characters who fare better than most

Outside kabal few characters can do it on their own. I believe in most cases kenshi and Lao can and cyrax except for the kabal pool of death

Overcoming 1 3-7 or 2 4-6 MUs isn't completely a reason to say a character can't win a major by himself