MLG Dallas - Confirmation of DR Gross

[Big Pampering]

uh d4 kills him in this mu, prevents him from jumping around and his tele is going to get blown up by her swift d2. Lao can't use standing 2 in footsies because d4 goes right under it. Death and Showtime could surely explain to you why this mu is in sonya's favor, it is at least 6 4. This has always been considered a hard match for lao.

that very same uppercut can be blown up if used at the wrong time, I know how to get around it, and you can see pl do it against forever king at evo and cd jr did it against death at the last tournament. also sonya's hitbox is not as small as people think so the chances of her getting caught by a teleport 3 into combo is much higher than sektor who has the smallest hitbox next to mileena.

Also in this matchup I think his projectiles are very useful, sonya's projectile is faster and recovers faster by far but kung lao can get in whenever he wants and sonya cannot, so she has to deal with more stuff than just his projectiles. When she whiffs a d4 while kung lao teleports she cannot do anything but block and let kung lao get in, because if she tries anything teleport 3 will catch her for full combo. she is not mileena where she can whiff a lot of d4's and still be safe against jump ins, if she whiffs a d4 right at the time I decide to jumpin she has to block your jumpin punch, because he hitbox is much bigger than mileenas, also jumpkicks work against d4's.

 

[Treadmill]

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[YOMI MITYEAP]

that very same uppercut can be blown up if used at the wrong time, I know how to get around it, and you can see pl do it against forever king at evo and cd jr did it against death at the last tournament. also sonya's hitbox is not as small as people think so the chances of her getting caught by a teleport 3 into combo is much higher than sektor who has the smallest hitbox next to mileena.

Also in this matchup I think his projectiles are very useful, sonya's projectile is faster and recovers faster by far but kung lao can get in whenever he wants and sonya cannot, so she has to deal with more stuff than just his projectiles. When she whiffs a d4 while kung lao teleports she cannot do anything but block and let kung lao get in, because if she tries anything teleport 3 will catch her for full combo. she is not mileena where she can whiff a lot of d4's and still be safe against jump ins, if she whiffs a d4 right at the time I decide to jumpin she has to block your jumpin punch, because he hitbox is much bigger than mileenas, also jumpkicks work against d4's.

did you just see what Showtime just posted? he already said i'm right and right now I'm sure everyone can agree with what he says about Sonya because of how good he is with her. Also King plays sonya, but obviously his main is lao as he did far better with him vs PL. It is 6 4, and that is just the truth. There is no way rax beats lao and sonya doesn't haha. They both eliminate his tele and blow up his 2 1 with their d4s and etc.

 

[Big Pampering]

did you just see what Showtime just posted? he already said i'm right and right now I'm sure everyone can agree with what he says about Sonya because of how good he is with her. Also King plays sonya, but obviously his main is lao as he did far better with him vs PL. It is 6 4, and that is just the truth. There is no way rax beats lao and sonya doesn't haha. They both eliminate his tele and blow up his 2 1 with their d4s and etc.

did showtime play pl's or cdjr's kung lao? and youre just saying a few things in this matchup which makes up like maybe not even 20% of the matchup. sonya being able to d4 kung laos 21 isnt sonya exclusive any character can d4 that subzero even has an 8 frame d4 but does he beat lao?, sonya gets more of a d4 but kung lao can spin d4 militairy stance on block, which you might not know. and I think death once said that the matchup is even in kung lao's favor so what made him change his mind? and why are you knowledgable in the matchup? I'd like you to come up with some facts and not just showtime said this and that, because right now youre just saying d4 beats kung lao which is very shallow, im sorry. and sonya doesnt eliminate his tele completely and I think pl and cd jr will agree with me on that. there is a difference in why sektor is safe for 80% of the time when he uppercuts lao while sonya wont be that safe.

Wait so when u see 21from Lao Sonya can d4 in the middle of either 2 or the 1?

2 just whiffs if he does a neutral crouch move(d1,d2,d4,d3) once kung lao does 2 and the 1 is coming and you think you can d4 that late youre gonna eat that 1 to the face. they are making it sound like 21 is like jax's f41 string which is ridiculous.

 

[Big Pampering]

sonya can d4 the 2, so if he does 21 and i react i get d4 for free, if he does 21 - 21 i can do it, now will he just spin d4 next time or block one big guessing game

kung lao's 21 outranges yours by far. I want to present the following situation: if you d4 my 21 I cross you up or do a crossover jumpkick, the jumpkick beats your anti cross over attempt. if you decide to uppercut my cross up jumpkick and I did a cross over teleport you will eat 43% without meter. I don't want you or anyone else to get mad at me, I just want to discuss this matchup with facts and not like mit said, showtime said sonya wins case closed.

also if you try to cartwheel my ex teleport can't I do whiff 1 grab and have more than enough time to neutral jump punch your cartwheel? cuz my armor lasts hella long while yours is only few frames if I recall...never tried this but it is very possible.

also if you just d4 I can throw hats and use f2 which outranges your d4 by far, and like I said your projectile is better but outside jump range I can get in whenever I want while you have to dash or jump( which is never truly safe). so I only have to deal with your projectile from that range while you have to worry about a dive kick, projectile, teleport, ex teleport, f3 , f2 which beats far jumps.

please remember that kung lao isnt just about standing 2 and teleport, he shouldnt rush you down the whole match but play footsies and get in at the right times

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

did showtime play pl's or cdjr's kung lao? and youre just saying a few things in this matchup which makes up like maybe not even 20% of the matchup. sonya being able to d4 kung laos 21 isnt sonya exclusive any character can d4 that subzero even has an 8 frame d4 but does he beat lao?, sonya gets more of a d4 but kung lao can spin d4 militairy stance on block, which you might not know. and I think death once said that the matchup is even in kung lao's favor so what made him change his mind? and why are you knowledgable in the matchup? I'd like you to come up with some facts and not just showtime said this and that, because right now youre just saying d4 beats kung lao which is very shallow, im sorry. and sonya doesnt eliminate his tele completely and I think pl and cd jr will agree with me on that. there is a difference in why sektor is safe for 80% of the time when he uppercuts lao while sonya wont be that safe.



2 just whiffs if he does a neutral crouch move(d1,d2,d4,d3) once kung lao does 2 and the 1 is coming and you think you can d4 that late youre gonna eat that 1 to the face. they are making it sound like 21 is like jax's f41 string which is ridiculous.

so u saying showtime wouldn't beat their lao's? lmao u too hard head bruh you need to learn the facts.

 

[Big Pampering]

so u saying showtime wouldn't beat their lao's? lmao u too hard head bruh you need to learn the facts.

youre a top 10 player but im sorry you don't know lao. Well I always knew there is no use talking to you so let's just say if cdjr or pl meets showtime or any sonya player I got my money on these 2. lets just keep it at that. and toruney matches until now have proven me right.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

youre a top 10 player but im sorry you don't know lao. Well I always knew there is no use talking to you so let's just say if cdjr or pl meets showtime or any sonya player I got my money on these 2. lets just keep it at that. and toruney matches until now have proven me right.

i guess we must agree to disagree haha, maybe they'll meet at Dallas. I'm sure the matches will be great.

 

[BillStickers]

I'll put an end to this argument right now, PL openly admitted on the Woolay Show that he didn't know the Sektor MU's.

You can bet your ass he's practiced that MU by now.

PL? Making excuses about losses? You MUST be joking.

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

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Tonight sir.

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

also im pretty hype to blow this gross guy up, sektor is so free and very punishable by sonya, ask J360

He has to get through me first, Which trust me, he wont.

 

[Showtime]

I played PL I'm casuals after Raleigh it was a close set like 5-4 him, then he trolley with kenshi , my sonya has definitely leveled up since then

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[Showtime]

It was casuals though also in a first to 1 vs jr on a side setup at Raleigh his lao got babied by cage

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[Pig Of The Hut]

It was casuals though also in a first to 1 vs jr on a side setup at Raleigh his lao got babied by cage

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Now this I believe

 

[MeZMeRiZe]

Wait so when u see 21from Lao Sonya can d4 in the middle of either 2 or the 1?

the 2

 

[MeZMeRiZe]

the 2

she usua

Wait so when u see 21from Lao Sonya can d4 in the middle of either 2 or the 1?

so if she see's that standing 2 her d4 will beat the 1

 

[MeZMeRiZe]

^sry im pretty drunk lol

 

[MeZMeRiZe]

Wait so when u see 21from Lao Sonya can d4 in the middle of either 2 or the 1?

But also as a sonya player you must be aware of the b33 so if a lao does does b33 after a s2 he beats the d4 if im not mistaken. lol not sure really anymore since i dont play enough sonyas and i dont main lao anymore but im 100% positive she has a 6-4 advantage. its just really hard for lao to deal with her. she has too many tools to disable him from playing his game.

 

[Big Pampering]

It was casuals though also in a first to 1 vs jr on a side setup at Raleigh his lao got babied by cage

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Cage is another story though, I do believe cage beats lao 6-4. also cdjr's kung lao changed a lot and people who know the character can tell you that, like reo and pl.

 

[Big Pampering]

But also as a sonya player you must be aware of the b33 so if a lao does does b33 after a s2 he beats the d4 if im not mistaken. lol not sure really anymore since i dont play enough sonyas and i dont main lao anymore but im 100% positive she has a 6-4 advantage. its just really hard for lao to deal with her. she has too many tools to disable him from playing his game.

In a lot of situations where b33 will definitely beat your opponents poke, it will not prevent them from jumping, because b33 doesnt have a hitbox that will catch the opponent jumping halfway like for example a d1 does. so after 21 and you try to follow up with b33 there is always a chance they cross you up for full combo. so be aware of the possibility

 

[coolwhip]

Did someone say Jax beats Lao? That's a 5-5 match-up if I've seen one, and if it goes in someone's favor, it's Lao.

 

[Big Pampering]

Did someone say Jax beats Lao? That's a 5-5 match-up if I've seen one, and if it goes in someone's favor, it's Lao.

exactly and just like the sonya matchup he can't be in jax's face all the time, I think lao outfootsies sonya and jax and thats one of the biggest reasons he wins against lao and goes even with sonya.

 

[Death]

Sonya does have a slight edge vs KL. CDJrs fundamentals had to be 100% dead on to win the MU vs me the other week in Toronto. Sonya has all the tools to beat KL. She can build meter pretty easily vs KL and She out damages him by a big margin. The only way a KL will beat a Sonya is if the player completely outplays the other player. KL has to play perfect in that MU to win it.

 

[Death]

she usua so if she see's that standing 2 her d4 will beat the 1

What do you mean? She cant D4 that on reaction. If you can make a read on the 2 whiffing than you can just dive kick the 21 on whiff. But a good KL player isnt just going to throw that out in open space.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Sonya does have a slight edge vs KL. CDJrs fundamentals had to be 100% dead on to win the MU vs me the other week in Toronto. Sonya has all the tools to beat KL. She can build meter pretty easily vs KL and She out damages him by a big margin. The only way a KL will beat a Sonya is if the player completely outplays the other player. KL has to play perfect in that MU to win it.

I meant to PM you about that match

The death i know would have won, you wern't back to your full form. He got away too many jump ins cancelled into teleport. I dont think cd jr played perfect at all, i think you were out of practice and your reads were not warm