So F+2 is +11 on block...

[NariTuba]

i use it a load in existing videos, i feel its a necessity, but to each and their own i suppose.

Im not saying it doesnt work, just saying it hasnt worked for me... this might simply be because I dont know how to use it.

Ill rewatch you greatest hits, always a pleasure anyway

 

[PND_Mustard]

Im not saying it doesnt work, just saying it hasnt worked for me... this might simply be because I dont know how to use it.

Ill rewatch you greatest hits, always a pleasure anyway

haha cheers man, no of course i know you're not one to blatantly come out and claim someone's bullshitting, id rather people be inquisitive than just agree.

 

[UsedForGlue]

The guy is asking for help/advice, Not everyone has time to break this game down and look at frame data. Why be a ******** about it

Listen man, the thread starter is a nice guy, and wasn't in anyway half as upset by my reply to him as you were.

So don't go starting something with me, or else you'll be way in over your head.

 

[roosTakk]

I wasn't upset, I was saying what's the point of making snooty remarks to new players. Happened to me when I first started and its a shitty thing to do.

Don't go threatening people on the internet, because it's the internet. "Ill be in way over my head"..., I apologize for insulting you, it was for the reason above. I realize your a moderator, so if your going to ban me for speaking my mind go right ahead because I don't want to be on a forum like that.

 

[Maxter]

f2 is a good move, but, you have to be frame precise to hit with a standing 334 before they can duck block so 34 dont wiff, 334 is a 10 frames startup,1 frame precision so they don't duck, pokes autoduck on 0 startup just in case people didnt know that, 3,3 will hit them if they try to poke, but is not easy to hitconfirm for a net unless you are very good on your reactions, if they duck block the 3,3,4 the 3,4 will wiff and they can punish cyrax, its good against big hit boxes chars really, trying a standing 2 "11 frames"to combo after a blocked f2 which is + 11 frames, if opps are mashing pokes they will hit cyrax out of this startup before it hits unless you were 0 frame precised. Its a good move but it is risky due to its speed. its goo using this in the corner and go for a blocked 3,3,4 +5 and then possibly a d3 out of poking range into a ragdoll, I dont use this move much, but sometimes i abuse it until i see my opps know how to deal with it

 

[NariTuba]

f2 is a good move, but, you have to be frame precise to hit with a standing 334 before they can duck block so 34 dont wiff, 334 is a 10 frames startup,1 frame precision so they don't duck, pokes autoduck on 0 startup just in case people didnt know that, 3,3 will hit them if they try to poke, but is not easy to hitconfirm for a net unless you are very good on your reactions, if they duck block the 3,3,4 the 3,4 will wiff and they can punish cyrax, its good against big hit boxes chars really, trying a standing 2 "11 frames"to combo after a blocked f2 which is + 11 frames, if opps are mashing pokes they will hit cyrax out of this startup before it hits unless you were 0 frame precised. Its a good move but it is risky due to its speed. its goo using this in the corner and go for a blocked 3,3,4 +5 and then possibly a d3 out of poking range into a ragdoll, I dont use this move much, but sometimes i abuse it until i see my opps know how to deal with it

I KNEW it! I was getting d1 out of my 1,2 followup! I assumed I was being slow. My Kabal friend has been interrupting me for a while, tho I never sat down to properly test it with him (I was planning to this week!). Makes total sense, it has to be a mid.

I will thoroughly test this and report. Good shit Maxter.

 

[CYracks]

Dug up this old thread on the subject: http://testyourmight.com/threads/guaranteed-frame-advantage.12385/

 

[GoodLifeGodLike]

Listen man, the thread starter is a nice guy, and wasn't in anyway half as upset by my reply to him as you were.

So don't go starting something with me, or else you'll be way in over your head.

Glue I know you didn't mean anything by it and for the record I respect you as a pro player and enjoy watching your videos which are extremely informative and valuable to the community. I really hope you can make it to Evo (not sure if you said you can go or not).

I wasn't upset, I was saying what's the point of making snooty remarks to new players. Happened to me when I first started and its a shitty thing to do.

Don't go threatening people on the internet, because it's the internet. "Ill be in way over my head"..., I apologize for insulting you, it was for the reason above. I realize your a moderator, so if your going to ban me for speaking my mind go right ahead because I don't want to be on a forum like that.

Roos I appreciate you sticking up for me, but I hope this doesn't start a war between you two. Glue I'm sure being an advanced player honestly thought something like that was common knowledge amongst players of all levels. Us Cyrax players have got to stick together.


Anyway the reason I made the thread is because I was watching one of Krayzie's (if you haven't watched his Cyrax he plays him like a dirty rat...very entertaining) matches and he had used the f2 on his opponent in which his f2 was blocked then he went in to command grab, F2'ed again which was blocked and another command grab. I did the same thing on someone the other day online and was curious what were the other possibilities.

I've been playing around with it in the lab as well, and I'm curious if this is viable: You know once you complete a reset, then you do the B2 after the NJP...followed by 2,1 net...this usually has them dangling very low off the ground. I've been practicing timing the f2 as they are about to be released from the net setting up a pressure string or command grab.

 

[GoodLifeGodLike]

f2 is a good move, but, you have to be frame precise to hit with a standing 334 before they can duck block so 34 dont wiff, 334 is a 10 frames startup,1 frame precision so they don't duck, pokes autoduck on 0 startup just in case people didnt know that, 3,3 will hit them if they try to poke, but is not easy to hitconfirm for a net unless you are very good on your reactions, if they duck block the 3,3,4 the 3,4 will wiff and they can punish cyrax, its good against big hit boxes chars really, trying a standing 2 "11 frames"to combo after a blocked f2 which is + 11 frames, if opps are mashing pokes they will hit cyrax out of this startup before it hits unless you were 0 frame precised. Its a good move but it is risky due to its speed. its goo using this in the corner and go for a blocked 3,3,4 +5 and then possibly a d3 out of poking range into a ragdoll, I dont use this move much, but sometimes i abuse it until i see my opps know how to deal with it

Maxter you need to come in here more often so we can pick that brain of yours.

 

[NariTuba]

I've been playing around with it in the lab as well, and I'm curious if this is viable: You know once you complete a reset, then you do the B2 after the NJP...followed by 2,1 net...this usually has them dangling very low off the ground. I've been practicing timing the f2 as they are about to be released from the net setting up a pressure string or command grab.

Id reccomend the following to test that out:

get a human opponent, have them pick someone with a fast jab (ie. Sektor / Cage)
perform the setup on them and have them mash the jab to check if you are able to follow up.
perform the setup on them and have them mash d1 also

Command grab after f2 only works if they are expecting jab pressure, you have to condition them. Otherwise they can jump out, or poke out.

 

[GoodLifeGodLike]

Nari are you certain there are invincibility frames when they land when they are slightly OTG?

 

[NariTuba]

Nari are you certain there are invincibility frames when they land when they are slightly OTG?

No my bad, too many topics in my head at the same time! lol

Invincibility only happens with 2nd net.

1st net has 2 possibilities:

1: if the combo started off a grounded opponent, they fall off the net and recover as soon as they touch the ground
2: if the combo started with an anti air, they fall off the net and have a recovery period where they can block but not move

Honestly, I would go for the hit confirm / command grab 50/50 after the hanging net. F2 is just giving them achance to escape.

Two extra tips:
Sometimes it happens that when you try to hit someone with a b2, when they are in a low hanging net after a reset, the hit just goes through them as if they are invincible. When this happens you still get to make the first move! so jabs into hit confirm / command grab mixup still applies.
After a hanging net, a f2~net is a nice vortex option because it leaves them right next to you for the 50/50.

 

[MashPotatoTower]

HI GOD LIFE!!! so f2 is awesome but yeah its slow but you get a million chnces to through it out.
but when cyrax dose it, I just take the hit everytime because it sends my across the screen where your powerless and I show you my knife collection for 30 consecutive rounds. stupid bottom 5 character

 

[GoodLifeGodLike]

HI GOD LIFE!!! so f2 is awesome but yeah its slow but you get a million chnces to through it out.
but when cyrax dose it, I just take the hit everytime because it sends my across the screen where your powerless and I show you my knife collection for 30 consecutive rounds. stupid bottom 5 character

LOL...Mash's Kano is pretty fkn annoying. Mash where you been? Everything I come online I look for my Canadian sparring partner and you're never on any more, what gives?

 

[MashPotatoTower]

LOL...Mash's Kano is pretty fkn annoying. Mash where you been? Everything I come online I look for my Canadian sparring partner and you're never on any more, what gives?

Dude you gotta teach me all the cyrax stuff!