Who is the better tournament character?

[THTB]

Dave, Idk why you think people believe that her RD 50/50 is why she's good.

Btw, just to let you know, not blocking the slide gives Skarlet that one opening. Taking the slide just gets her in with her at advantage. Don't give me the BS that then there's wakeup attacks. Most of the time, they're still pretty risky. And even if you block the EX RD slide, you still have to respect another EX RD if she has the meter for it.

No one's overrating this character, Dave. She has some really good shit that can put her up there.

The people who are underrating d4~MS are the people who haven't experienced how cheap it can be.
Soon enough....

Having played Death, Morty and Riu, I know personally how good it is. But I think you're overhyping it, as is everyone else.

 

[Ninj]

m2dave & L0rdoftheFLY & @everyone else

Saying one move or another is 'pointless' or 'irrelevant' is theory fighting sillyness. Comparing similar tools and how a character can counter common strategies using said tools against one another is something I would call useful.

Ex cartwheel is tough to react to at point blank without getting blown up in my experience. I don't know Sonya's max damage potential to reset but I believe it's on par with Skarlet.

*I need to confirm this* Ex dash can interrupt D4,MS xx D4 pressure into 36% (max) no meter reset.

Skarlet can trade 4% iabd and duck Sonyas ring. Or Skarlet fucks up and does a higher air dagger and builds meter like Sonya but is at disadvantage because she has to fall to the ground.

D4 into Red Slide leaves both at neutral assuming they block the slide, allowing for a free D1 from Skarlet which on hit allows for another free Red Slide. Gotta block low.

Those are some examples.

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[Tim Static]

I can't argue that. But I see it as more CD Jr reo etc are so good its more a player problem than character problem. I don't think we can keep credit from the Sonya's etc because someone hasn't beaten reo and CD Jr with them. That's a task in itself for any player/ character combo. Take example of Detroit with ermac. Nobody likes ermac as a tournament character but yet he still does well largely in part to his skill I know, but it still shows that character wise this game has decent balance. I guess it just depends how you view it.

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yea i agree with you, but as of now, i think Sonya is the better tourney character right now.

 

[THTB]

D4 into Red Slide leaves both at neutral assuming they block the slide, allowing for a free D1 from Skarlet which on hit allows for another free Red Slide. Gotta block low.

Wait, Skarlet's d4 causes enough pushback that RD slide at the earliest point will hit on later active frames?

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

The real difference between EX slide and EX cartwheel is that EX cartwheel juggles and EX slide does not.

It may not juggle by itself but if timed right with the right launcher...yes it juggles. How can you say other wise? obviously we are assuming its being used properly just like you assuming ex cartwheel is being used properly.

The choices after EX dash are irrelevant. There is no reason to block low when you see the EX dash animation unless you are about to die. If the Skarlet player wants to waste one bar of meter for 8% of damage, so be it.

what about eh down slash slide 50/50? what about empty dash into block strings...she can build that bar of meter back quickly and start ex dagger canceling.

You guys are overrating this character to ridiculous proportions. It is simple logic. Old dagger cancels + EX dagger cancels frame traps + everything else she has = top 5. With one aspect removed out of the equation (old dagger cancels), she becomes high mid tier at best, which means Sonya is obviously the better character. d+4 xx MS f+1 alone is better and more brain-dead than anything Skarlet has. Stop deluding yourselves.

no one cares about the old skarlet...lol. yes d4 ms f1 is good. very good. that may be her only advantage. i dont think that means we are "deluding" ourselves.

 

[M2Dave]

The people who are underrating d4~MS are the people who haven't experienced how cheap it can be.
Soon enough....

I agree. I have fought Master D. (when he used Sonya) and I have fought Death. Fighting Sonya is boring as fuck. There is nothing worthwhile to do but run away. You block ten d+4 xx MS f+1s per round. Everything is mostly safe and 0 on block. Playing footsies is difficult. You are hesitant to AA sometimes because dive kick leads to very damaging juggles. The fight is tedious and anything but entertaining. Thank God I use Freddy. I think Sonya resembles pre-patch Kung Lao the most. Skarlet does not compare to this lameness.

Ninj, d+4 xx MS f+1 is uninterruptable at any range because d+4 gives huge cancel advantage on block and hit.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Sonya. For now. Maybe in a couple of weeks i'll go the other way around...but I think for Skarlet her MO is having meter at all times.

 

[Eddy Wang]

some interesting theories around here.

just keep it constructive, no need to bash up each other lol.

 

[Ninj]

Wait, Skarlet's d4 causes enough pushback that RD slide at the earliest point will hit on later active frames?

Deleted because I don't know what I was even referring to when I wrote this...haha
THTB

 

[THTB]

D4 on hit cancel is +31 on stand hit, +24 on crouch hit. Red slide, at the earliest possible point, is 20f, and has 4 active frames total, if you include the first. The only way you can hit on those active frames is by timing Red Slide so that it hits well after the slide goes active.

 

[Wemfs]

Electric Mayhem fuckin rule

I'd say the same about yours if it wasnt fuckin Pennywise. :'(

You don't like pennywise and the movie IT? I freakin love horror movies.

 

[SaJa]

Skarlet has 2 weaknesses :
-her metagame is weird.
-Her wake up suck.

 

[ryublaze]

Skarlet should only be using EX Red Dash to counter projectiles and other moves, at least in the Sonya matchup. Anytime Skarlet does EX Red Dash while Sonya is able to move, she can EX Cartwheel on reaction and beat out Skarlet's armor even at point blank range. GamerBlake90 recorded a bunch of Sonya vs. Skarlet matches with me yesterday, and although it's not high level offline play, I think it gives a clear understanding of the tools each of these characters have and how to use them.

I don't think anyone can compare Skarlet to another character in tourney play until we see enough of her, in my opinion.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

There's a lot of top players saying Skarlet can easily be top 5 including our best player who wins almost every tournament. I think we should take into account what they say more than the average player on here.