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Seapeople

Seapeople

This one's for you
Dark_Rob said:
2,2 starters midscreen:
2,2,ice blast,NJP,B1,2,2,1,2,slide= 10 hits(30%)
2,2,ice blast,NJP,dash 1,dash,2,1,4,slide= 9 hits(29%)
Open stance only: 2, 2, 4 / Ice Beam >> {Away+1}, 2 - 2, 1, 2 / Slide = 39%

2,2,ice blast, JIP,b,1,2,1 = (26% + follow up chip damage)

Midscreen xray combos off the 2,2 string:
2,2,ice blast,NJP,B1,2,2,1,2,xray= 12 hits(39%)
2,2,ice blast,NJP,dash,1,dash,B1,2,2,1,2,xray= 13 hits(41%)
2,2,ice blast,NJP,dash,1,dash,2,1,4,xray= 11 hits(42%)

Corner combos off the 2,2 string:
2,2,ice blast,NJP,NJP,B1,2,2,1,4,slide= 11 hits(35%)
2,2,4,ice blast,2,1,4,slide= 8 hits(34%)

2,2,4,ice blast, JIK,2,1, 2,2,2 = (34% + free clone setup, right corner only)

corner xray combos off the 2,2 string:
2,2,ice blast, NJP,NJP,B1,2,2,1,4,xray= 13 hits(46%)
2,2,4,ice blast,2,1,4,xray= 10 hits(49%)

midscreen combos off the 2,1 string:
2,1,2,EN ice beam,(B1),2,2,2(or 1),slide= 8 hits(31%)
2,1,4,slide= 4 hits(26%)
2,1,2 ice blast,(B1),2,2,2,slide=8 hits(29%)

2,1,2,ice blast,(B1),2,2,1,slide= 8 hits(29%)
Should be:
2,1,2,ice blast, (b1),2, 2,2,slide = (29%)

corner combos off the 2,1 string:
2,1,2,ice blast,4,2,2,slide= 8 hits(29%)
2,1,2,ice blast,2,2,4,slide= 8 hits(30%)
2,1,4,ice blast,2,1,4,slide = 8 hits (36%)
2,1,4,ice blast,2,2,4,slide= 8 hits(35%)

2,1,2,ice blast, *dash forward* 4, 2,2,2 = (29% + free clone setup)
Should be 28%

2,1,4,ice blast, 4, 2,2,2 = (33% + free clone setup)
2,1,2,ice blast, 1, 2,2,4,slide = (31%)
2,1,2,ice blast, JIK, 2,2,4,slide = (33% right corner only)
(2,1),2,ice clone, (b1),2, 2,1,4,slide = (29%)
(2,1),2,ice clone, (b1),2, 2,2,2 = (21% + free clone setup)

midscreen xray combos off the 2,1 string.
2,1,2,iceblast,(B1),2,2,2,xray= 10 hits (41%)

corner xray combos off the 2,1 string:
2,1,4,ice blast,2,1,4,xray= 10 hits(50%)
2,1,4,ice blast,2,2,4,xray= 10 hits(49%)

midscreen combos off the B1,2 string:
B1,2,ice blast,NJP,B1,2,2,1,2,slide= 10 hits(33%)
B1,2,ice blast,NJP,dash,1,dash,2,1,4,slide= 9 hits(32%)

B1,2,ice blast, JIP,b1,2,1 = (28% + follow up chip damage)

Midscreen xray combos off the B1,2 string:
B1,2,ice blast,NJP,dash,1,dash,B1,2,2,1,2,xray= 13 hits(45%)
B1,2,ice blast,NJP,dash,1,dash,2,1,4,xray= 11 hits(45%)

corner xray combos off the B1,2 string:
B1,2,ice blast,NJP,NJP,B1,2,2,1,4,xray= 13 hits(50%)

B1,2,ice blast, JIP,2,1,4,Xray = (50%)

Full Charge B2 combos: (Compiled by SunnyD)
B2, (b1)2, 214 slide= 6 hits(35%)
Should be 38%

Corner:
B2, 4, 1, 214 slide = 7 hits (37%)

midscreen combos off of F4:
F4,slide= 2 hits(15%)
F4,ice blast,NJP,B1,2,2,1,2,slide= 9 hits(30%)
F4,ice blast,NJP,dash,1,dash,2,1,4,slide= 8 hits(29%)

corner combos off of F4:
F4,ice blast,NJP,NJP,4,2,2,4,slide= 9 hits(32%)

midscreen xray combos off of F4:
F4,ice blast, NJP,B1,2,2,1,2,xray= 11 hits(40%)
F4,ice blast, NJP,dash,1,dash,B1,2,2,1,2,xray= 12 hits(42%)

corner xray combos off of F4:
F4,ice blast,NJP,NJP,B1,2,2,1,4,xray= 12 hits(47%)

F4,ice blast, JIP,2,1,4,Xray = (48%)
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In black are combos that I don't really think are Bnbs since there are more damaging or more consistent options.
In the respective combo colors are combos that I added. I know there's still a lot to add but this is what I've got for now. Hope it helps, and keep it up Rob :)
 
salvificblood

salvificblood

Worst Sub-Zero Ever
Midscreen, deep jik can also be followed up with quick dash, 22 slide for 20% and 22, ex ice blast, (b1)2212, slide for 32%
 
xQUANTUMx

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
Hey Dark_Rob, I pulled this off last night, but I'm not sure how viable it is. I think I just got situationally lucky.
JIP B12 Freeze, crossover 2, 214 Xray : 53% I forget if its 11 hits or 13 (at work right now)
 
ChaosTheory

ChaosTheory

A fat woman came into the shoe store today...
I disagree with not including the b1,2,1 setups as true combos. You should treat the sequence as if it were any other traditional BnB. All of the "bonus" potential of the setup (which can be discussed in depth in another thread) comes after this is established as a BnB.

JIP, 2,2, Freeze ~ JIP, b1,2,1 ~ (on block) 2,1,2/2,1,4 = 35% (+ 3 hits of meter, + free Clone setup)
JIP, b1,2, Freeze ~ JIP, b1,2,1 ~ (on block) 2,1,2/2,1,4 = 38% (+ 3 hits of meter, + free Clone setup)
 
NRF CharlieMurphy

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
ChaosTheory said:
I disagree with not including the b1,2,1 setups as true combos. You should treat the sequence as if it were any other traditional BnB. All of the "bonus" potential of the setup (which can be discussed in depth in another thread) comes after this is established as a BnB.

JIP, 2,2, Freeze ~ JIP, b1,2,1 ~ (on block) 2,1,2/2,1,4 = 35% (+ 3 hits of meter, + free Clone setup)
JIP, b1,2, Freeze ~ JIP, b1,2,1 ~ (on block) 2,1,2/2,1,4 = 38% (+ 3 hits of meter, + free Clone setup)
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Yeah I agree...
 
SunnyD

SunnyD

24 Low Hat!
Quantum_Mekanikz said:
Wasnt claiming i discovered it or anything, lol. Didn't even know about that, I was just messing around with a friend. Good to know then. Thanks for the link
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What you posted was already known for ages and Rob already put it into the guide/combo list. Check to make sure that the combo you're posting is actually something new, is all im saying.
 
xQUANTUMx

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
SunnyD said:
What you posted was already known for ages and Rob already put it into the guide/combo list. Check to make sure that the combo you're posting is actually something new, is all im saying.
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My bad sorry bout that. Still new. I'll double check from now on.


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Bidu

Bidu

the CHILL of DESPAIR
I could do a visual compilation with a video edit with these combos if you like, Dark.
I'll have to get a camera with a friend, but it's doable.
 
Dark_Rob

Dark_Rob

Champion
ChaosTheory said:
I disagree with not including the b1,2,1 setups as true combos. You should treat the sequence as if it were any other traditional BnB. All of the "bonus" potential of the setup (which can be discussed in depth in another thread) comes after this is established as a BnB.

JIP, 2,2, Freeze ~ JIP, b1,2,1 ~ (on block) 2,1,2/2,1,4 = 35% (+ 3 hits of meter, + free Clone setup)
JIP, b1,2, Freeze ~ JIP, b1,2,1 ~ (on block) 2,1,2/2,1,4 = 38% (+ 3 hits of meter, + free Clone setup)
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I wasnt going to not include them. I was planning on starting another thread soon devoted specifically to setups/baits/mindgames since they are such a big part of Subzero game. However you may be right about including them here as well since all of it is gauranteed after the combo starts(with the exception of using 2,1,2 after B1,2,1 since an armor move can interupt after 2,1 but thats neither here nor there as far the this thread is concerned)

Keep adding stuff guys. I will update the original post tommorow.
 
SunnyD

SunnyD

24 Low Hat!
Dark_Rob said:
I wasnt going to not include them. I was planning on starting another thread soon devoted specifically to setups/baits/mindgames since they are such a big part of Subzero game. However you may be right about including them here as well since all of it is gauranteed after the combo starts(with the exception of using 2,1,2 after B1,2,1 since an armor move can interupt after 2,1 but thats neither here nor there as far the this thread is concerned)

Keep adding stuff guys. I will update the original post tommorow.
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Maybe we can collaborate on a Sub Zero strategy guide much like the Scorpion "What do Teddy Bears have to do with Vengeance" thread? B121 combos, B2 set-ups, oki game and splatters, corner strats. Maybe make a conversation in the inbox with the prominent Sub Zero players and make it a group effort? What do you think?
 
Seapeople

Seapeople

This one's for you
I can upload a vid of Sub's most damaging combos in every situation if you'd like. I'm pretty sure that none of them are practical whatsoever but it could be good to know :)
Let me know if you'd like them included Dark_Rob
 
ryublaze

ryublaze

Noob
B1, 2, Ice Ball, dash, NJP, dash, 1, dash, 1, dash, 1, dash, 2, 1, 4, Slide (11 Hits, 33%) Just a little more push to the corner than the 35% one.

Btw, I think you should add "dash" after every Ice Ball into NJP combo not that it matters much...
 
Bidu

Bidu

the CHILL of DESPAIR
Corner:

JiP, 214, d4~Ice Clone, deep JiK, 224~Slide (42%, situational, doesn't work in all characters).
 
xInfra Deadx

xInfra Deadx

Gimmick stolen by Jordan Peele
2, 2, 4 / Ice Beam, jump forward >> 2, 1, 4 / Slide = 8 hits, 37%*

*Inconsistent. If your foe is frozen too near to the ground this won't work.
 
Gilbagz

Gilbagz

Joker here~
xInfra Deadx said:
2, 2, 4 / Ice Beam, jump forward >> 2, 1, 4 / Slide = 8 hits, 37%*

*Inconsistent. If your foe is frozen too near to the ground this won't work.
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When this version works, you can just do the (b+1),2 version for 39%
Its slightly harder but it's pretty consistent if the stances are correct.
To be safe, I usually just take the 2,1,2 slide ender. Does like 35% I think. Can be worth it you failed to hit confirm the 2,2 and need the combo to end the round.
 
STB Sgt Reed

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
Seapeople said:
In black are combos that I don't really think are Bnbs since there are more damaging or more consistent options.
In the respective combo colors are combos that I added. I know there's still a lot to add but this is what I've got for now. Hope it helps, and keep it up Rob :)
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While a lot of the combos aren't worth doing, I think the point is to have any combo possible so that any new player can come and look and find the ones that work best for them. B/c like I've said before ... consistent damage > dropping combos trying for more.
 
Bidu

Bidu

the CHILL of DESPAIR
Sgt Reed 24 said:
:confused: ... Never seen this before... would love to see it in a video!
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There ya go:


I rarely use this combo, since it's kinda tricky to do and situational because doesn't work against all characters. I try to use on reaction when, for some reason, I don't hit confirm 214 into Ice Blast or Slide in the corner.
 
OnizukaPM

OnizukaPM

Apprentice
Corner:
212,iceball,(b1)2,224,slide 33% 9hits

DeepJK,22,Slide 20% 4hits
DeepJK,22,ExFreeze,(B1)2,212,Slide
DeepJK,21,ExFreeze,(B1)2,212,Slide

Situational antiair 21,22,slide
Air to Air:
JP,22,Slide 14% 4hits
JP,Slide 9% 2hits
JP,21,iceball,(b1)2,22,slide 17% 8hits

to punish raiden superman into clone i use 1,214,slide
1% more dmg than 214slide

edit.
B+2fullcharge,dash1,B12,212,slide 8hits 37%
 
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