Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

[Vulgar]

Personally, I just think a lot of the Kung Lao players just need to pick someone else, because his tool kit isn't what you're looking for.

On its own - it's a very solid and competitively viable tool kit.

But for some reason these guys are trying to fix what isn't broken when in all reality they should be playing something more Yolo and "button pressing" like Nitara or Mileena. You want to press 100,432,000 buttons per second and do fuck neutral shit? That's them, baby.

Bird Lao style players in particular should just play Nitara. Lol

 

[ImpostorOak]

Personally, I just think a lot of the Kung Lao players just need to pick someone else, because his tool kit isn't what you're looking for.

On its own - it's a very solid and competitively viable tool kit.

But for some reason these guys are trying to fix what isn't broken when in all reality they should be playing something more Yolo and "button pressing" like Nitara or Mileena. You want to press 100,432,000 buttons per second and do fuck neutral shit? That's them, baby.

Bird Lao style players in particular should just play Nitara. Lol

This is a big negative to Mortal Kombat.

"You like Kung Lao? Hell yeah, bunch of multi hit normals, dive kicking around, good anti airs, pushing a lot of buttons, "learn from this," ass being all confident in a mature way, yea nice, you should play the cringey ass bat lady voiced by Megan Fox."

Characters are fighting games. I think the changing of characters for the new era was a mistake.

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

This is a big negative to Mortal Kombat.

"You like Kung Lao? Hell yeah, bunch of multi hit normals, dive kicking around, good anti airs, pushing a lot of buttons, "learn from this," ass being all confident in a mature way, yea nice, you should play the cringey ass bat lady voiced by Megan Fox."

Characters are fighting games. I think the changing of characters for the new era was a mistake.

That's a valid and interesting take. We must consider that MK has never been a legacy fighting game franchise - the characters change movelists completely from one game to another. Yes, they maintain their core identity, but they never play the same from one game to another. Kitana from MKX plays nothing like Kitana from MK11, which in turn plays nothing like Kitana from MK1. She still has fan lift, fan toss and squarewave one way or another, but if your gameplay revolves around the specific way that fan toss works in MKX, and you dislike how it is in MK1, then you should switch characters. There is no such thing as "I know I'm picking up Kitana in the next MK game for sure because she will have fan toss combos!" She will play completely different, like it or not, and you either stick with her because you like the overall core identity or you pick someone else.

EDIT: Just to be abundantly clear - I do not like how this is. I loved Reptile's gameplay in MKX and think he is meh in MK1. Although I still play him because I love the character overall, my mains are Nitara and Mileena.

 

[Trickywizard]

Different characters play differently.

What a stunning revelation!

"How can you watch this and say, 'yeap this is godlike'".

Go to a Pro Komp event and do better than him, then.

He made a few mistakes and dropped a few combos but other than that he played his heart out.
He should start going for more consistent conversions cause he drops the same combos in online tournaments.
(I studied his matches to learn Lao)

 

[just_2swift]

Different characters play differently.

What a stunning revelation!

"How can you watch this and say, 'yeap this is godlike'".

Go to a Pro Komp event and do better than him, then.

Not once have I disrespected him yet you continue insult me with your lack of comprehension skills religiously.

 

[Vulgar]

Not once have I disrespected him yet you continue insult me with your lack of comprehension skills religiously.

I just quoted you.

You're just in denial because you got caught.

You shitposted too close to the sun in your effort to downplay.

Live in your shame.

 

[Eldriken]

The fact this thread hasn't been closed yet blows my mind. Its main point of existence right now is clearly for people to whine back and forth at one another like they all just got dumped after prom.

We all suck equally and should have the biggest KotH face-off known to man.

 

[Vulgar]

So this is a contentious topic - the fact that NRS changes how characters play from game to game. Boon himself has said that they don't really like doing the same stuff over and over and I personally don't find anything wrong with exploring different design space.

That said, I understand why you'd feel disappointed that a character you like plays differently than what they did before. I experienced this with Quan Chi going from MK9 to MKX and with Geras from MK11 ton MK1.

However, you gotta make a decision: Either learn the new way or move on to other characters.

Pissing and shitting yourself that a character isn't the same from one game to the next isn't going to make them stop redesigning characters every time. It's clearly something that isn't going to change.

And in many cases, some moveset re-designs are quite good. Geras went from being strike/grab and Sand Trap to being one of the most interesting, set up heavy, and complex characters in the game. It's awesome. He's awesome.

And again - I understand the disappointment, but I do not think anyone is doing themselves any favors by keeping themselves closed off. Try other shit. You bought the game and it has Hella characters in it. Try different stuff out.

My favorite ninja used to be Reptile but the I tried out Ermac in this game and I never want to go back. I hate cancel characters but they made Ermac Hella fucking cool in this game so I play him.

I don't even think re-designing characters from game to game is an exclusive NRS thing. Pretty sure there are characters in Strive and SF6 that play very differently than their past versions.

If you want hardcore legacy with very little changes from game to game, play Tekken.

 

[Vulgar]

The fact this thread hasn't been closed yet blows my mind. Its main point of existence right now is clearly for people to whine back and forth at one another like they all just got dumped after prom.

We all suck equally and should have the biggest KotH face-off known to man.

If only people on this site actually played the game...

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

So this is a contentious topic - the fact that NRS changes how characters play from game to game. Boon himself has said that they don't really like doing the same stuff over and over and I personally don't find anything wrong with exploring different design space.

That said, I understand why you'd feel disappointed that a character you like plays differently than what they did before. I experienced this with Quan Chi going from MK9 to MKX and with Geras from MK11 ton MK1.

However, you gotta make a decision: Either learn the new way or move on to other characters.

Pissing and shitting yourself that a character isn't the same from one game to the next isn't going to make them stop redesigning characters every time. It's clearly something that isn't going to change.

And in many cases, some moveset re-designs are quite good. Geras went from being strike/grab and Sand Trap to being one of the most interesting, set up heavy, and complex characters in the game. It's awesome. He's awesome.

And again - I understand the disappointment, but I do not think anyone is doing themselves any favors by keeping themselves closed off. Try other shit. You bought the game and it has Hella characters in it. Try different stuff out.

My favorite ninja used to be Reptile but the I tried out Ermac in this game and I never want to go back. I hate cancel characters but they made Ermac Hella fucking cool in this game so I play him.

I don't even think re-designing characters from game to game is an exclusive NRS thing. Pretty sure there are characters in Strive and SF6 that play very differently than their past versions.

If you want hardcore legacy with very little changes from game to game, play Tekken.

That said, I remember one member in this site saying that NRS could make a game where every character has every string from past games, and I think that could be awesome. Of course, there would be many frame data adjustments for balance, but the notion of "Reptile now has his MKX f412 along with all his other moves from MK1" is something I would be very excited about.

 

[Trickywizard]

Lao up divekick is better for launching combos since you can make it somewhat safe on block.

 

[Vulgar]

True facts from one of the best to ever do it:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1896261502715466150

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

it is a good game, especially to watch offline. In both these offline majors there is really nice movement and footsies, and character variety. edit: what an insane day 2

I'll be honest though, the shit user experience when you're searching for ranked matches makes me treat MK as kind of an appetizer, before I move on to SF or Tekken (which use matchmaking systems that respect your time way more). I think I also end up accepting worse connections in MK1 because staring at the trees is so tedious. I made the mistake of seeing the in-game stats of how long I've played Kombat League, and I'm honestly haunted by how much time of mine the game has wasted making me wait

 

[Tom Brady]

You claim that video game companies are shoving wokeness down the consumers' throats, for which there is some truth in my humble opinion, depending on your definition of the term.

The irony, however, is that you are shoving this topic down people's throats in this thread.

I have not read every single post in this 43-page thread, but you seem to be the only one promoting this topic after multiple users explicitly told you that they prefer not to engage.

At this point, you are pulling a Tom Brady and fabricating a controversy that nobody in this thread has mentioned or questioned.

I believe that there are more productive topics to discuss (i.e., the tournament in Mexico, the future of the game in terms of content and support, the state of offense versus defense, etc.)

Franco and I will be recording a new podcast that plans to address some of these topics.

Funny how only things negative are associated with me now this guy is pulling a Tom Brady..

I don’t make up fake issues, even friends make up with fake narrative it seems

 

[Tom Brady]

True facts from one of the best to ever do it:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1896261502715466150

Had I posted someone saying this only in reverse, you would be one of the first ones stating it is only an opinion. But because it’s someone saying the game is great, it now becomes “facts”.

Whether someone likes the game or not is subjective, there are some that really do enjoy the game, however, unfortunately, this is probably the first time Mortal Kombat has faltered with such a large number of its audience.

Saying the game is a 10 out of 10 game is someone’s opinion, and to those people the game may very well be something that they enjoy very much. It certainly doesn’t make them a shill.

Likewise, and this is something that vulgar struggles with very much, saying you do not like the game does not make you a hater.

If saying you don’t like the game makes you negative, then saying you love the game makes you toxic positive. Stating your opinion doesn’t make you anything other than someone that likes or dislikes the game and none of these people should be called out for it.

Notice, in the history of Mortal Kombat from the very first one through the first 25 years I’m also one of the best to ever do it, however, because I personally don’t enjoy this game It is considered nothing more than negativity and hating from an idiot too stupid to understand anything about Mortal Kombat. Should pig also have said he doesn’t like the game, his opinion would be dismissed by people on this forum as hating, but because he loves it he’s one of the best to ever do it who is speaking nothing but fact.

When are people on a video game form going to learn to have people have different opinion without being complete assholes to each other over it.. oh wait, I forgot.. They disguise it as “trolling “

For what it’s worth, I am quite enjoying the stream, and I love how positive everyone has been about this event and the people who attended. If the community was more like this for the last 15 years, we would probably be in a much better place

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

For what it’s worth, I am quite enjoying the stream, and I love how positive everyone has been about this event and the people who attended. If the community was more like this for the last 15 years, we would probably be in a much better place

Can we all leave it at this please? This board needs like 99% less subterfuge and personality conflicts. It manages to detract from BOTH criticism and praise when you realize everyone here has a personality disorder.

 

[Trickywizard]

How many ways of saying you hate a game is there?
We get it, we all saw that remake. At this point yall just keep remaking the same movie lol

 

[Tom Brady]

How many ways of saying you hate a game is there?
We get it, we all saw that remake. At this point yall just keep remaking the same movie lol

I didn’t make the post to say I hate it. I was just saying that we all have different opinions, neither is fact. However, we glorify certain opinions, and are assholes to everyone else and label them as negative haters. We do everything we can to discredit their opinion so that they’re seeing as nothing more than fools who know little to nothing about fighting games, especially Mortal Kombat. Everyone is different, everyone has a different opinion, but they are opinions and it doesn’t make anyone anything to have them.

When are you going to understand that some people like Mortal Kombat to be one way, other people like it to be another. People who like the game are going to keep being positive, talking about how great it is because not only do they like the game, they’d like to see future games turn out just like the current one. People that don’t like the current game don’t want the next game to go in a similar direction in any way, which is why they keep bringing up things they don’t like about it because they don’t want the next game to be like the current one.

You have this unwritten rule that says if you like the game, it’s OK to be positive about it nonstop. However, if you dislike the game and do not want the next game to be like the current one, you don’t get to keep voicing your opinion and hope that enough people feel the same way to the point that the next game gets a significant change in a drastically different direction.

There is no compromise in this community and that’s probably one of, if not, it’s biggest issue.

 

[Trickywizard]

I didn’t make the post to say I hate it. I was just saying that we all have different opinions, neither is fact. However, we glorify certain opinions, and are assholes to everyone else and label them as negative haters. We do everything we can to discredit their opinion so that they’re seeing as nothing more than fools who know little to nothing about fighting games, especially Mortal Kombat. Everyone is different, everyone has a different opinion, but they are opinions and it doesn’t make anyone anything to have them.

When are you going to understand that some people like Mortal Kombat to be one way, other people like it to be another. People who like the game are going to keep being positive, talking about how great it is because not only do they like the game, they’d like to see future games turn out just like the current one. People that don’t like the current game don’t want the next game to go in a similar direction in any way, which is why they keep bringing up things they don’t like about it because they don’t want the next game to be like the current one.

You have this unwritten rule that says if you like the game, it’s OK to be positive about it nonstop. However, if you dislike the game and do not want the next game to be like the current one, you don’t get to keep voicing your opinion and hope that enough people feel the same way to the point that the next game gets a significant change in a drastically different direction.

There is no compromise in this community and that’s probably one of, if not, it’s biggest issue.

Let’s see
You complained non stop about MK9
Complained about Injustice
Complained about MKX
Skipped Injustice 2
Complained about MK11
Now complaining about MK1
What else is new here?

 

[Tom Brady]

Let’s see
You complained non stop about MK9
Complained about Injustice
Complained about MKX
Skipped Injustice 2
Complained about MK11
Now complaining about MK1
What else is new here?

You complained non stop about MK9 - completely false, this is revisionist history, where you retail rewritten history.


Complained about Injustice - false and also revisionist history

Complained about MKX - again false I did not complain nonstop about this game. Voice to my opinions about certain aspects, but 99% of my videos were about tech.


Skipped Injustice 2

Complained about MK11 - about half of my videos from Mortal Kombat 11 (the first two years of it) were extremely positive and are actually still on my channel to this day if you go back for years on my video timeline. Despite that the videos are literally still there of me being obnoxiously positive for quite a while in Mortal Kombat 11, your memory of it is of me being negative and complaining about it nonstop.

Now complaining about MK1 - I personally would like Mortal Kombat 1 to never be the foundation of any Mortal Kombat ever so I bring up certain issues that some don’t agree with. Just don’t like several things about the game.

People like you tell a revised version of history, not a factual version of it. The community has rewritten the history of certain people and certain things, and then just re-tell their revised version of it.

 

[Tom Brady]

Keep in mind, I’m not here being negative or attacking anything, only pointing out that… dude, people have different opinions, you don’t have to be an asshole just because someone’s opinions don’t agree with yours. People that truly love Mortal Kombat and truly want the game to be better need to stop attacking each other and come together and compromise and get the things that we all want in Mortal Kombat in the future. However, first thing that happens, Tom Brady post something time to get into a attack mode

 

[Jynks]

I'll be honest though, the shit user experience when you're searching for ranked matches makes me treat MK as kind of an appetizer, before I move on to SF or Tekken (which use matchmaking systems that respect your time way more). I think I also end up accepting worse connections in MK1 because staring at the trees is so tedious. I made the mistake of seeing the in-game stats of how long I've played Kombat League, and I'm honestly haunted by how much time of mine the game has wasted making me wait

yeah... the entire lobby system for NRS needs work and has since they started. IMO, a significant section of their dev time need to be devoted to this and this alone next time. It has always been a massive lag for NRS games. I listed it as the number 1 issue of MK1 in my post somewhere at the start of this thread, back when it was way more on topic!

 

[Trickywizard]

yeah... the entire lobby system for NRS needs work and has since they started. IMO, a significant section of their dev time need to be devoted to this and this alone next time. It has always been a massive lag for NRS games. I listed it as the number 1 issue of MK1 in my post somewhere at the start of this thread, back when it was way more on topic!

Individual char ranks would be nice too.

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

both of those would be amazing improvements holy shit imagine the extra practice you get and the incentive to try new characters. Brings the game from a B to an A

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Complained about MKX - again false I did not complain nonstop about this game. Voice to my opinions about certain aspects, but 99% of my videos were about tech.

Complained about MK11 - about half of my videos from Mortal Kombat 11 (the first two years of it) were extremely positive and are actually still on my channel to this day if you go back for years on my video timeline. Despite that the videos are literally still there of me being obnoxiously positive for quite a while in Mortal Kombat 11, your memory of it is of me being negative and complaining about it nonstop.

Now complaining about MK1 - I personally would like Mortal Kombat 1 to never be the foundation of any Mortal Kombat ever so I bring up certain issues that some don’t agree with. Just don’t like several things about the game.

People like you tell a revised version of history, not a factual version of it. The community has rewritten the history of certain people and certain things, and then just re-tell their revised version of it.

This is just straight-up dishonest at this point.

Being persistently negative for a decade is one thing, but at least own it. Trying to convince people it didn't happen just makes it look worse.