Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

[ImpostorOak]

Has MK silenced the critics? The critics say, "nope."

Next thread where we ignore the topic and argue with people answering it, please.

 

[Trickywizard]

Thing is it doesn’t matter if you block or ignore them they would still be derailing threads…..
there gotta be more effective ways to deal with this.

 

[Kiss the Missile]

That’s why I’ve suggested MK needs a break. Nobody wants to hear that but it does. WB will never let that happen either because they’re struggling.

I think they should keep MK alive maybe through animated movies or maybe even a live action MK show.

Possibly a fire and ice game (I think a narrative set around MK 4 with Hanzo and Kuai could be perfect). That could fill the gap for a while.

Then in like 5/6 years we get an ACTUAL reboot of this shit.

Fire & Ice spin-off is exactly what we need right now tbh. No MK IS DEAD competitive discourse, no guest character debates, no convoluted time travel story, no seasonal events or microtransactions (please god). Just pure positive MK action

 

[YagamiFire]

Next thread where we ignore the topic and argue with people answering it, please.

Replying to topics in an on-topic manner is problematic, a dog-whistle and you're a bad person for doing it. Please do better.

 

[Jynks]

Then why not just actually reboot it?

I just think they wanted to do a softboot.. you see this in comics all the time. MK1 is "technically" a direct continuation of the original story. Again, this si the "have their cake and eat it to" type thing, and why I suspect that the new era will become just as convoluted and crazy as last time lol

If I was the lead story guy... I would have switch each MK to a completely stand alone story. The end of MK11 had the magic hour glass thing shattered... I would have just made each shard of glass a new universe and done a stand alone story each game. 100% reset each time. Dump all the continuity stuff out the window and just make cool stories, and if it is a miss fire? Who cares, next game is from zero anyway. Then if they ever want they can still tie it all up again by going back to the MK11 event and writing something about "combining the shards" or w/e and doing a "crisis of infinite earths" type thing.

As a old timer comic collector, not modern comics, I stand by the old adage. "continuity is for pussies".

 

[Jynks]

That’s why I’ve suggested MK needs a break. Nobody wants to hear that but it does.

yeah, hard disagree. I love that we get regular MKs now with massive gameplay changes.. there are downsides (spoken about a few times in this thread alone) but I would absolutely want a new MK to come out.

If I could wave a magic wand.. I would like to see more DLC for MK1, particularly more Kamoes be added as well this time, as they really give life and change things for all of the roster... but at the same time release a new DC game... but this time not set it in injustice... make it more main DC Line cannon... so Superman is good and all that, so they are all closer to the real ones. The DCU is relaunching soon so with luck DC may be popular again.

Maybe even a MKvsDC2 would be sweet. In fact a big change up like that would be neat. MKvs KillerInstict or something like that. A game that is a little bit of a change up. They could do a full new game as well, that would be cool There is still no NRS weapon based game... maybe that He-Man game people talked about or something crazy like a reboot of Primal Rage.... or how about an official Terradome of all the WB owned movie ips.

 

[Vulgar]

Yup for instance


The thing is though those awards have lost lots of credibility because the awards can either be bought or the boards/judges are ideologically captured themselves so nobody really gives a fuck about those things anymore.

Look at Cowboy Carter winning album of the year.lol. Ummm that shit is just a joke and that’s just one example. Beyonce in general hasn’t been relevant in years. She has a rabbid fanbase but outside of them nobody gives a fuck about her. Her time in the sun has passed, but Oh of course let’s give her album of the year and let her have a shocked look on her face.

Back to the discussion at hand you can swap race of characters and it makes sense.

Like Kuai Liang for example (since he’s my fave). In a lot of his appearances he was straight up white. He first appeared as Chinese in MK2 bit lots of people don’t remember that from his ending and so they remember his appearances in MK3. DA, or X. So when they had him appear as Chinese in 11 it made sense and that’s because it fits.

Then take Nick Fury. He is fully a side character and one that not many people know about outside of comic fans. Samuel L Jackson arguably brought fans to Nick Fury and that’s great.

Then there’s something like Little Mermaid for instance though. While that movie did end up making money it still wasn’t an outright success and that’s because people loved the Ariel they knew.Then they race swapped her and caught backlash and arguably damaged Halle Bailey’s career in the process tbh. It just didn’t work.

People at large love discussing casting because they want to find someone who perfectly fits the role. You can’t even do that anymore though because Hollywood (and the games industry apparently) has become obsessed with not casting these characters even remotely accurately.

Are you honestly trying to make an argument that Kendrick Lamar isn't deserving of his success?

Unserious person.

 

[Trickywizard]

This isn’t about mk anymore.

 

[YagamiFire]

As a old timer comic collector, not modern comics, I stand by the old adage. "continuity is for pussies".

...but the older, most wildly successful comics were all massively built on continuity

make it more main DC Line cannon... so Superman is good and all that, so they are all closer to the real ones.

Would much prefer this as well

 

[Kiss the Missile]

I think MK1 has a strong enough foundation that with a few more good pushes it can become a loved game.

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

The far left talk also has to be met with criticism though especially with what fans are tired of seeing in games.

This thread has digressed a lot, so forgive me TYM but I wanted to clarify to @Subby Z this is a popular but incorrect usage of the term “far left.” Left wing political thought is premised on social ills being downstream from capitalism (and by extension that identity politics are a dead end). Dialectic Materialism is the academic term for that but basically a strict left wing Marxist view would be that trying to change language or culture is backwards you would have to change how capital flows first. What you are talking about is liberal identity politics and “woke capitalism.” There is a left wing critique of identity politics if you search for interviews or essays by cultural theorist Catherine Liu. Anyways, back to MK haha

 

[M2Dave]

@M2Dave

I comment about that because I think that topic is important. If this is just strictly a gameplay thread then it has lost the plot because literally everything is being discussed here.

It’s important they hear differing opinions. For instance I am not politically rightwing. You would think I am because I have to argue against some of the topics here but I’m not.

I for instance have had to tell family members that they most likely won’t be receiving $5000 checks in the mail and to stop reading that type of shit and buying into that hype unless it’s confirmed. I voted blue in 2016 and 2020 (for anyone wondering). I didn’t vote in the last election because I knew it was lost tbh.

The far left talk also has to be met with criticism though especially with what fans are tired of seeing in games. If there are no dissenting opinions how can any of us learn or try to see other sides?

You claim that video game companies are shoving wokeness down the consumers' throats, for which there is some truth in my humble opinion, depending on your definition of the term.

The irony, however, is that you are shoving this topic down people's throats in this thread.

I have not read every single post in this 43-page thread, but you seem to be the only one promoting this topic after multiple users explicitly told you that they prefer not to engage.

At this point, you are pulling a Tom Brady and fabricating a controversy that nobody in this thread has mentioned or questioned.

I believe that there are more productive topics to discuss (i.e., the tournament in Mexico, the future of the game in terms of content and support, the state of offense versus defense, etc.)

Franco and I will be recording a new podcast that plans to address some of these topics.

 

[Subby Z]

You claim that video game companies are shoving wokeness down the consumers' throats, for which there is some truth in my humble opinion, depending on your definition of the term.

The irony, however, is that you are shoving this topic down people's throats in this thread.

I have not read every single post in this 43-page thread, but you seem to be the only one promoting this topic after multiple users explicitly told you that they prefer not to engage.

At this point, you are pulling a Tom Brady and fabricating a controversy that nobody in this thread has mentioned or questioned.

I believe that there are more productive topics to discuss (i.e., the tournament in Mexico, the future of the game in terms of content and support, the state of offense versus defense, etc.)

Franco and I will be recording a new podcast that plans to address some of these topics.

Well some of it is to get discussion going in general (which it did).

The thread is titled, “Has NRS silenced the critics?”, but clearly it hasn’t silenced all of them so what’s left to discuss besides other reasons the game wasn’t as successful as the past few?

This is a competitive forum but tbh I play MK for fun and always have. I don’t really give a shit about frames, pokes, footsies, and all the fighting game jargon. I like MK as a franchise.

I would bet you could make the most mechanically sound game possible with perfect balance for instance, but if it’s boring or people don’t like the characters what does it matter?

There are so many reasons why this game gets shit on that have nothing to do with mechanics imo.

 

[wsj515]

This whole site is just making fun of each other from behind screens. A few of the OH so holy members here are just always looking for attention and a fight. It's sad. No one can post an opinion they don't agree with without actual personal attacks or denegration.

I'm a left leaning guy myself, but this is childish as fuck.

So you're telling me you'd rather talk about whatever this thread has become, vs. discussing tech / the actual gameplay? Considering I've seen you actually contribute (a lot) to tech and gameplay discussions, I know that's not true.

We just don't need to rehash the same BS every single thread.

 

[chrisisnice]

Well some of it is to get discussion going in general (which it did).

There is no real need to derail threads, I have no problems with people discussing whatever they want, but why not create a new thread? Those that want to engage with it will and those that don't will not.

 

[Subby Z]

There is no real need to derail threads, I have no problems with people discussing whatever they want, but why not create a new thread? Those that want to engage with it will and those that don't will not.

Okay so I just went back and @ M2Dave you even listed bullet points of what you think they improved vs what areas they still failed in.

So maybe I’m just confused at what the thread was for? Idk the whole intro discussion seems like, “well has the game silenced critics?”. That casts a VERY wide net. Division in the community is even discussed. So idk what I’m missing.

I was bringing up other points for why the criticism isn’t silenced essentially that aren’t even listed and why I doubt they will be.

While some of it goes into other topics such as our current media landscape, you have to mention those to get a point across for why it also could be happening in this game.

Some of this is coming across as just, “well we just don’t agree with you so shutup.”.

Massively changing or erasing characters eliminated some of the longtime fans of lore to try and attract a different audience. That’s cool. Idk that it 100% landed.

Also the “woke” discussion applies to that because they genderswapped SEVERAL characters which is part of that movement.

So idk maybe I just got confused on what this topic is about.

The title and intro do not make the discussion sound solely about gameplay though.

 

[ImpostorOak]

So you're telling me you'd rather talk about whatever this thread has become, vs. discussing tech / the actual gameplay? Considering I've seen you actually contribute (a lot) to tech and gameplay discussions, I know that's not true.

We just don't need to rehash the same BS every single thread.

Wow, crazy that my post can even imply that. All I'm saying is that the people that bitch for 5 pages about certain posts are just as responsible for ruining this place as the people making the shitty comments.

 

[superbn0va]

Complaining about other users that complain is silly and hypocrite. A forum litterly translate a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

The ignorance paradox: why those who know the least often think they know the most..

 

[just_2swift]

An additional spin added to Lao with DF1 input, 7 frame start up. Pops up for combos and anti airs.

Also it would work in tandem with EX DU-3 spin armor cancel. Allow 2in1 cancel into DF1 spin from DU-3 ex cancel.

This would not be broken and will be a hard read into a just frame cancel which is death on block and costing a resource. This is ingenuity compared to EX BF-2 Goro and adds skill floor to the character.

 

[Juggs]

No one is stopping anyone from discussing gameplay related things in other threads, or even this thread. And no one is stopping you from creating your own thread to do it either. But the problem is, no one wants to do that. People will complain about thread derailing, but then never actually discuss whatever the topic is supposed to be.

Fact is, we don’t have very many active members. And even less that play the game, and even less than that that play the game or care about the game competitively.

 

[Jynks]

Fact is, we don’t have very many active members. And even less that play the game, and even less than that that play the game or care about the game competitively.

well, this isn't a competitive gaming site anymore... it is a fan site for a developer and their games. The competitive scene has long since left this entire type of communication. Everything is done on social media or discord. 8 Way Run is gone, hell even Shoryuken has closed it's forums. People, mods particularly, need to understand what this site is now.

I think, and I have been saying this for years, this site should be hosting its own online comp, like R1p or w/e. Maybe even its own discord. Turn this forum into a chat, but also a organization system for the events and a place to see results and look at ladders and stuff like that.

There are 100s maybe 1000s of players playing MK1 competitively , but none of them are here.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

There are 100s maybe 1000s of players playing MK1 competitively , but none of them are here.

@Felipe_Gewehr competes and is in this thread

Aside from that, I think it's always been a mix. Part of the reason certain people left is that it can be tough to have competitively-focused and casual players involved in the same discussions. What's happening now in this thread is a great example of that.

 

[Vulgar]

An additional spin added to Lao with DF1 input, 7 frame start up. Pops up for combos and anti airs.

Also it would work in tandem with EX DU-3 spin armor cancel. Allow 2in1 cancel into DF1 spin from DU-3 ex cancel.

This would not be broken and will be a hard read into a just frame cancel which is death on block and costing a resource. This is ingenuity compared to EX BF-2 Goro and adds skill floor to the character.

Lao just made Top 8 at a major. He needs no buffs.

 

[Marlow]

I always kind of hope that this site would develop it's own ranking system or elo system. Try and turn into the Chess.com model of MK/NRS games.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I always kind of hope that this site would develop it's own ranking system or elo system. Try and turn into the Chess.com model of MK/NRS games.

I actually did, but there'a a big story behind that and how egos got in the way