Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

[just_2swift]

Sonic Fox's Sindel was "shackled" to Kung Lao "to get anything going".

As was Scorpionprocs' Havik to Mavado.

And Nicolas' Takeda to Jax.

Mortal Kombat 1 is an assist game, so this criticism is shallow and irrelevant.

After fighting a player like King Jr. offline, playing casual games with a player like Cowboy online, and bumping into a player like Darkz in Kombat League, I have specific concerns about Kung Lao, particularly in footsies and at mid range.

Your buff suggestions fail to address these concerns in any way, shape, or form.

I have posted plenty of buffs suggestions that addresses those concerns yet they were shot down. Can't have it both ways Dave. This recent buff suggestion was a luxury buff because I've been told Lao is "fine".

So which one is it? Is he fine or needs help?

 

[Jynks]

He's fine. The urg to mess with how things play is exactly why players shouldn't ever have input on ballence. The games not even 2 years old.. There is just no actual data besides someone going "I lost more than I like". Paper FGC is nothing like how the game actually plays. Yeah that overhead is so minus on block the guy is crap.. But you know it actually hits all the time in practice. For the record loa made it to top 16+and in the recent pro league

 

[Trickywizard]

Lao is completely fine, I have been playing this game 3 months and already beating rank 200-300! Not sure if rank mean much in this game tho.

I could be wrong but the following chars could use a bit normalizing.
Sindel
Havik
Ermac
Kitana
Homelander
(T-1000)

 

[ImpostorOak]

 

[Marlow]

I liked Havik more when he was a bit of an oddball character, with his offense flowing more around his armor, plus frames, and setups. Buffing him to be a much simpler 50/50 character with a simple low/overhead mix made him really strong, but a bit more boring in my opinion.

 

[ImpostorOak]

Don't you remember
The jibberish characters
Secrets at the pit,
When it was cartoonish gore

A 90s action sandwich
A teenage angst tornado
A modern macabre fable
Don't happen much anymore
We got too complicated
The multiverse is over-rated
I like the old and out-dated
Way to fight

Back when a low was a low
A poke was a poke
And crack's what you were doing
When you were cracking codes
Back when Liu was Just Liu
Fujin was all that blew
And when you said I'm plus with that
Well it meant my turn ain't thru
I miss back when
I miss back when
I miss back when

 

[Vulgar]

I have posted plenty of buffs suggestions that addresses those concerns yet they were shot down. Can't have it both ways Dave. This recent buff suggestion was a luxury buff because I've been told Lao is "fine".

So which one is it? Is he fine or needs help?

Oh, I'll answer this for you:

Kung Lao is fine. He doesn't need an armored launching spin.

 

[Vulgar]

I liked Havik more when he was a bit of an oddball character, with his offense flowing more around his armor, plus frames, and setups. Buffing him to be a much simpler 50/50 character with a simple low/overhead mix made him really strong, but a bit more boring in my opinion.

Yeah, the buffs they gave Havik weren't what us Havik players were asking for. Better hit advantage on his d4, better tracking on ex blood ball, nothing crazy.

Now he's a 50/50 machine that sneezes damage.

It's crazy.

 

[Vulgar]

Generally speaking, I'd much rather see lower tier characters buffed then see the top tier get the hatchet treatment.

If you look at NRS Twitter, every character that isn't the one you main should be nerfed.

Like yeah, getting hit by Cyrax and having to guess is super annoying and obnoxious, but Cyrax players aren't dominating the Top 8. What "feels" annoying isn't always actually broken.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Generally speaking, I'd much rather see lower tier characters buffed then see the top tier get the hatchet treatment.

If you look at NRS Twitter, every character that isn't the one you main should be nerfed.

Like yeah, getting hit by Cyrax and having to guess is super annoying and obnoxious, but Cyrax players aren't dominating the Top 8. What "feels" annoying isn't always actually broken.

Exactly, we don't need another Deadshot situation

 

[Jynks]

I liked Havik more when he was a bit of an oddball character, with his offense flowing more around his armor, plus frames, and setups. Buffing him to be a much simpler 50/50 character with a simple low/overhead mix made him really strong, but a bit more boring in my opinion.

agreed.

 

[just_2swift]

I liked Havik more when he was a bit of an oddball character, with his offense flowing more around his armor, plus frames, and setups. Buffing him to be a much simpler 50/50 character with a simple low/overhead mix made him really strong, but a bit more boring in my opinion.

My buffs suggestions pre khaos Reigns was better. I agree as a day 1 havik main

 

[just_2swift]

Yeah, the buffs they gave Havik weren't what us Havik players were asking for. Better hit advantage on his d4, better tracking on ex blood ball, nothing crazy.

Now he's a 50/50 machine that sneezes damage.

It's crazy.

The only logical thing you've said during your existence.

 

[just_2swift]

Oh, I'll answer this for you:

Kung Lao is fine. He doesn't need an armored launching spin.

Why not? He already has a SAFE armor launcher with Goro right now. This change I've presented makes it UNSAFE and a hard read for Lao instead of throwing shit out +Goro=safe.

My buffs were originally were to dismantle the 2121 string.

Take the 3rd hit (the elbow strike) make this his F1.
Add the chain fist at the end of 21. Make chain fist -7

Remove the armor off BF2. Allow the windmill punches on block, keep it unsafe (make it safe with a kameo ya know like he does now).

MB version is +2 on block with push back. Use the palm strike from the last hit of 2121 as the ender for MB BF2.

An additional spin added to Lao with DF1 input 7 frame start up. Pops up for combos and anti airs.

Also it would work in tandem with EX DU3 spin armor cancel. Allow 2in1 cancel into DF1 spin from DU3 ex cancel.

This would not be broken and will be a hard read into a just frame cancel which is death on block and costing a resource. This is ingenuity compared to EX BF-2 Goro and adds skill floor to the character. Think of a just frame link.

I just made this character more interesting and appealing instead of this

I'm sorry no disrespect to the player as he's been phenomenal for years with Lao in every Mk game, but this is peak Lao to you all? He is limited by his kameo. How can you watch this and say "yeap this is godlike" huh?

 

[Vulgar]

The only logical thing you've said during your existence.

Sounds like malding to me.

You ready to stop ducking?

 

[Vulgar]

Why not? He already has a SAFE armor launcher with Goro right now. This change I've presented makes it UNSAFE and a hard read for Lao instead of throwing shit out +Goro=safe.

My buffs were originally were to dismantle the 2121 string.

Take the 3rd hit (the elbow strike) make this his F1.
Add the chain fist at the end of 21. Make chain fist -7

Remove the armor off BF2. Allow the windmill punches on block, keep it unsafe (make it safe with a kameo ya know like he does now).

MB version is +2 on block with push back. Use the palm strike from the last hit of 2121 as the ender for MB BF2.

An additional spin added to Lao with DF1 input 7 frame start up. Pops up for combos and anti airs.

Also it would work in tandem with EX DU3 spin armor cancel. Allow 2in1 cancel into DF1 spin from DU3 ex cancel.

This would not be broken and will be a hard read into a just frame cancel which is death on block and costing a resource. This is ingenuity compared to EX BF-2 Goro and adds skill floor to the character. Think of a just frame link.

I just made this character more interesting and appealing instead of this

I'm sorry no disrespect to the player as he's been phenomenal for years with Lao in every Mk game, but this is peak Lao to you all? He is limited by his kameo. How can you watch this and say "yeap this is godlike" huh?

What a stupid thing to say. It's a game based around assists. Everyone is "limited" by their Kameo as they cannot play the game without using them. Not even Havik or Sindel can play and win consistently without ever touching the Kameo button.

Welcome to MK1, it's a game with Kameos. Every character uses them.

If you think you're better; by all means challenge him to a set.

OR

Make Top 8 at a Pro Komp event.

Otherwise yeah, he is pretty godlike. He managed to do what 90% of Kung Lao players can't seem to do.

Skill issue, really.

As far as the buffs go, you answered your own question. He already has a good armored move.

You want unsafe, launching spin? Go play MKX, I'm sure Destroyer would love to have you. He still streams the game regularly.

 

[Trickywizard]

The buffs suggested to Lao are a lot of work at least seems like a lot of work to me and NRs isn’t known for their work ethics so…. Never happening. But hey some costumes are 4%off now.

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

The buffs suggested to Lao are a lot of work at least seems like a lot of work to me and NRs isn’t known for their work ethics so…. Never happening. But hey some costumes are 4%off now.

I'm all for criticizing NRS when it's due, but this is incorrect. They have done multiple new animations for characters in MKX and MK1 - in fact, there any multiple awesome animations for characters in MK1's invasion mode RIGHT NOW (like Reiko's spear spin) that we aren't able to use on regular matches- so this isn't about lots of work of work ethics. They simply don't think lao should get these suggested buffs (so far, at least).

 

[just_2swift]

What a stupid thing to say. It's a game based around assists. Everyone is "limited" by their Kameo as they cannot play the game without using them. Not even Havik or Sindel can play and win consistently without ever touching the Kameo button.

Welcome to MK1, it's a game with Kameos. Every character uses them.

If you think you're better; by all means challenge him to a set.

OR

Make Top 8 at a Pro Komp event.

Otherwise yeah, he is pretty godlike. He managed to do what 90% of Kung Lao players can't seem to do.

Skill issue, really.

As far as the buffs go, you answered your own question. He already has a good armored move.

You want unsafe, launching spin? Go play MKX, I'm sure Destroyer would love to have you. He still streams the game regularly.

Elementary response from a remedial boob. There's a Stark difference between Raiden using sektor and Lao using sektor. Its literally night and day difference is what I'm pointing out. Lao has issues and my changes fix that.

It was in the same tournament I suggest you watch it again.

Seriously look at the difference.

Who said I'm better? In what post? I'm talking about the CHARACTER!

Plenty of characters use the kameo as a +1 instead of a necessity. Lao it's a necessity this tournament exposed that very fact.

 

[Vulgar]

Elementary response from a remedial boob. There's a Stark difference between Raiden using sektor and Lao using sektor. Its literally night and day difference is what I'm pointing out. Lao has issues and my changes fix that.

It was in the same tournament I suggest you watch it again.

Seriously look at the difference.

Who said I'm better? In what post? I'm talking about the CHARACTER!

Plenty of characters use the kameo as a +1 instead of a necessity. Lao it's a necessity this tournament exposed that very fact.

You mean Raiden - a completely different character thats designed different from Lao - uses a Kameo differently than Kung Lao?

No waaaaaaaaaaay.

You're very smart.

Every character uses their Kameo as a necessity. You cannot win consistently without using it.

It's the primary feature of the game. You're just saying water is wet and acting indignant about it. Very weird.

In your post you were criticizing his play. So, I'd like to see you do better.

Kung Lao is fine. He's a good character.

 

[just_2swift]

You mean Raiden - a completely different character thats designed different from Lao - uses a Kameo differently than Kung Lao?

No waaaaaaaaaaay.

You're very smart.

Every character uses their Kameo as a necessity. You cannot win consistently without using it.

It's the primary feature of the game. You're just saying water is wet and acting indignant about it. Very weird.

In your post you were criticizing his play. So, I'd like to see you do better.

Kung Lao is fine. He's a good character.

I did not criticize his play. Raiden is more interactive on the fight line because he has more tools. Meanwhile Lao is mostly standing there waiting for sektor to be available. This is all I'm pointing out.

 

[iSuckAtFightingGames]

There's a Stark difference between Raiden using sektor and Lao using sektor.

not sure that this makes sense, there is no comparing different teams, even if they use the same Kameo. The kameos are supposed to play, and offer, different levels of support for different mains. That is by design. Saying one kameo dose not gives the same options as another on a different character is not a critique, it is just a description of how the game is designed to work.

 

[just_2swift]

not sure that this makes sense, there is no comparing different teams, even if they use the same Kameo. The kameos are supposed to play, and offer, different levels of support for different mains. That is by design. Saying one kameo dose not gives the same options as another on a different character is not a critique, it is just a description of how the game is designed to work.

That's not what I'm saying. I said the character does more on the fight line other than waiting for sektor to be available. More player interaction.

 

[Jynks]

This image I think is a good example of what is wrong with modern fandom... in case you do not follow film news there is a collective freakout on twitter because some looser did a 20 min video detailing about how terrible the new Shrek looks in the teaser trailer for the new film. Basically it is all because "the eyes are to close together and look funny"

He looks practically identical. The entire thing is just a beat up.

Modern kids and others on social media have been completely conditioned to see everything through a lenz of negativity. The algorithms of engagement seem to somehow have conditioned some people no longer think saying something positive is worth saying at all, or even worse, it is a sign of weak thinking. It is so strange.. it is like everyone feels out of control now with how world politics and finance is.... that the act of decrying something, instead of embracing it, gives people a feeling of control. Look I am not a physiologist, but something is going on, people are so contrarian now, that they honestly think the world is flat, as a way to feel empowered. I think something like this is going on in fandom... and it is felt everywhere, including this forum.

 

[Vulgar]

That's not what I'm saying. I said the character does more on the fight line other than waiting for sektor to be available. More player interaction.

Different characters play differently.

What a stunning revelation!

"How can you watch this and say, 'yeap this is godlike'".

Go to a Pro Komp event and do better than him, then.