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MK1 Tier List Discussion Thread

M2Dave

Zoning Master
My updated conjecture...

S: Ermac, Havik, Ghostface, Homelander, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Mileena, Noob, Scorpion, Sindel

A: Cyrax, General Shao, Geras, Johnny Cage, Kitana, Liu Kang, Nitara, Raiden, Rain, Smoke

B: Ashrah, Baraka, Li Mei, Quan Chi, Reiko, Reptile, Sektor, Sub Zero, Takeda

C: Conan, Omni Man, Peacemaker, Shang Tsung, Tanya

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My opinion on Sektor (a response to Vulgar's question)

When I fight King Jr. online, I can sometimes win because b+2 is semi-reactable. When I fight King Jr. offline, I can barely win because he blocks b+2 almost every time.

I believe that Sektor is overrated because she has limited offensive options, low damage output, and bad buttons aside from 1,1 and b+3,4, the latter of which has quality of life issues as b+3,4 into EX teleport can whiff and get you killed.

Depending on the match up, she has very good zoning, but this strength is irrelevant because Mortal Kombat 1's meta is unlike Injustice 2's.

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My brief thoughts on Kitana...

She does more damage without requiring certain kameo picks (i.e., Jax). She also has slightly better zoning.

I personally like Sektor as Kitana's kameo because of back throw combos, extended combos after the 2,4 string, missile in neutral, fatal blow, etc.

Offensively speaking, she retains the same weaknesses, so I cannot place her as the very top of the tier list.
 
My updated conjecture...

S: Ermac, Havik, Ghostface, Homelander, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Mileena, Noob, Scorpion, Sindel

A: Cyrax, General Shao, Geras, Johnny Cage, Kitana, Liu Kang, Nitara, Raiden, Rain, Smoke

B: Ashrah, Baraka, Li Mei, Quan Chi, Reiko, Reptile, Sektor, Sub Zero, Takeda

C: Conan, Omni Man, Peacemaker, Shang Tsung, Tanya

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My opinion on Sektor (a response to Vulgar's question)

When I fight King Jr. online, I can sometimes win because b+2 is semi-reactable. When I fight King Jr. offline, I can barely win because he blocks b+2 almost every time.

I believe that Sektor is overrated because she has limited offensive options, low damage output, and bad buttons aside from 1,1 and b+3,4, the latter of which has quality of life issues as b+3,4 into EX teleport can whiff and get you killed.

Depending on the match up, she has very good zoning, but this strength is irrelevant because Mortal Kombat 1's meta is unlike Injustice 2's.

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My brief thoughts on Kitana...

She does more damage without requiring certain kameo picks (i.e., Jax). She also has slightly better zoning.

I personally like Sektor as Kitana's kameo because of back throw combos, extended combos after the 2,4 string, missile in neutral, fatal blow, etc.

Offensively speaking, she retains the same weaknesses, so I cannot place her as the very top of the tier list.
I don’t disagree really but I thought S tier meant “special tier of their own” how can you have 20 chars in S-tier?
Lao & Mileena are top but deff not on the same tier as Havik, Ermac or Noob.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

Twinktile
My updated conjecture...

S: Ermac, Havik, Ghostface, Homelander, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Mileena, Noob, Scorpion, Sindel

A: Cyrax, General Shao, Geras, Johnny Cage, Kitana, Liu Kang, Nitara, Raiden, Rain, Smoke

B: Ashrah, Baraka, Li Mei, Quan Chi, Reiko, Reptile, Sektor, Sub Zero, Takeda

C: Conan, Omni Man, Peacemaker, Shang Tsung, Tanya

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My opinion on Sektor (a response to Vulgar's question)

When I fight King Jr. online, I can sometimes win because b+2 is semi-reactable. When I fight King Jr. offline, I can barely win because he blocks b+2 almost every time.

I believe that Sektor is overrated because she has limited offensive options, low damage output, and bad buttons aside from 1,1 and b+3,4, the latter of which has quality of life issues as b+3,4 into EX teleport can whiff and get you killed.

Depending on the match up, she has very good zoning, but this strength is irrelevant because Mortal Kombat 1's meta is unlike Injustice 2's.

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My brief thoughts on Kitana...

She does more damage without requiring certain kameo picks (i.e., Jax). She also has slightly better zoning.

I personally like Sektor as Kitana's kameo because of back throw combos, extended combos after the 2,4 string, missile in neutral, fatal blow, etc.

Offensively speaking, she retains the same weaknesses, so I cannot place her as the very top of the tier list.
My only gripe with this is that there is no twisted khaos multiverse where Nitara is lower than Mileena. The rest is reasonable
 

NHDR

Kombatant
My updated conjecture...

S: Ermac, Havik, Ghostface, Homelander, Kenshi, Kung Lao, Mileena, Noob, Scorpion, Sindel

A: Cyrax, General Shao, Geras, Johnny Cage, Kitana, Liu Kang, Nitara, Raiden, Rain, Smoke

B: Ashrah, Baraka, Li Mei, Quan Chi, Reiko, Reptile, Sektor, Sub Zero, Takeda

C: Conan, Omni Man, Peacemaker, Shang Tsung, Tanya
More details on Reiko? Obviously, projectile nerf was huge. There have been some folks online who think he's still very good, but I'm not seeing it. He's decent but not great, I put him in mid or lower-mid tier. Depends a lot more on kameos now. With the exception of a few matchups, he has poor long range options. Still has solid normals but there are some matchups that are extremely awful now.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
I don’t disagree really but I thought S tier meant “special tier of their own” how can you have 20 chars in S-tier?
Lao & Mileena are top but deff not on the same tier as Havik, Ermac or Noob.
How do you count 20 characters in the S tier?

My S tier consists of the top 10, which is fairly standard for any fighting game tier list.

Besides, I do believe that Mortal Kombat 1 is "top heavy", meaning that most characters are very good.

Obviously, certain characters like Peacemaker and Tanya are over-nerfed and need buffs.

My only gripe with this is that there is no twisted khaos multiverse where Nitara is lower than Mileena. The rest is reasonable
I despise fighting Nitara, but which Nitara player is out-performing Hour Glass and Dexy?

More details on Reiko? Obviously, projectile nerf was huge. There have been some folks online who think he's still very good, but I'm not seeing it. He's decent but not great, I put him in mid or lower-mid tier. Depends a lot more on kameos now. With the exception of a few matchups, he has poor long range options. Still has solid normals but there are some matchups that are extremely awful now.
I agree with everything.

If NRS wants Reiko to be a command grab character, change EX pale rider from two bars to one.

I am aware that many players will throw a tantrum on social media, but I support grapplers being viable and strong.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

Twinktile
I despise fighting Nitara, but which Nitara player is out-performing Hour Glass and Dexy?
None! Which is as many Kabals we saw win EVO in MK9!

Of course Nitara is annoying. I still think her damage is overall better than mileena's, even though Mileena's buttons are overall better than Vamp-girl
 
I think S tier should be 3 chars max in any tier list.
Nitara hits for 60% every touch and is safe on everything she does. Not many good Nitara making top8 that’s a players skill issue.
I do agree and I’m glad that every char is very solid in this game.

edit: Lao is not in the same tier as Havik.
 
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rifraf

Apprentice
I was watching Viennality and thought I’d check TYM’s tier lists until I saw this gem. This has got to be a top 3 shit player tier list right there. Imagine actually placing Nitara and Scorpion top 3 and 4 respectively, and Kenshi, Homelander outside of top 5, with Homelander not even making it in top 10.

Like, look at this gem of a list. Takeda dead last because; reasons. Omniman and Peacemaker bottom 3?? Li Mei better than Kung Lao?? Sub-Zero better than half the cast?? Unreal.

Inb4 some moron says “this is an old list” or “fight me bro, my tier list is good”. Kenshi and Homelander were never bad.
 

ImpostorOak

Goro is a Pokémon
I was watching Viennality and thought I’d check TYM’s tier lists until I saw this gem. This has got to be a top 3 shit player tier list right there. Imagine actually placing Nitara and Scorpion top 3 and 4 respectively, and Kenshi, Homelander outside of top 5, with Homelander not even making it in top 10.

Like, look at this gem of a list. Takeda dead last because; reasons. Omniman and Peacemaker bottom 3?? Li Mei better than Kung Lao?? Sub-Zero better than half the cast?? Unreal.

Inb4 some moron says “this is an old list” or “fight me bro, my tier list is good”. Kenshi and Homelander were never bad.
I just know I'd clown you in any FG. Imagine having such a small dick you come talking shit about a post months old for some clout.

Try again, with decorum next time.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

Twinktile
Kenshi and Homelander were never bad.
This is probably the only salvageable thing from this post. You do know some characters will have to be bottom 3, right? So far, I've saw or read nothing that would indicate Peacemaker isn't down there. Omniman is debatable, but he is for sure outside top 15, often in bottom 10. Before LavenderRain's excellent use of Jax with Takeda, everyone was placing him at bottom 10. Tier lists are not foolproof and are subjective, and precisely because of that they can change even when no patch has been deployed recently. Since the gaps between characters are the smallest they've ever been in any NRS game, it's natural that you might think "oh, how is sub-zero better than half the cast?". He just might be, but he isn't mopping the floor with the other characters below him.

As for Lao and Li Mei, I think Lao is currently experiencing the same Scorpion was, before ferra: only one or two players are actually getting results with him, which makes me question how fundamentally solid he is, instead of just how good the players in question are.
 

rifraf

Apprentice
You do know some characters will have to be bottom 3, right?
The only thing I know when it comes to a substantial portion of TYM is that logical arguments will be trump'ed, pun intended, by clout. It's proven by the natural evolution of the game and the competitive landscape, how clueless some wannabe experts are in here.

Case in point. Look at this clown wanting to strong-arm an argument not by intelligence and knowledge but by brute force. The notion that "I may be a mechanically better player than you therefore my opinion trumps whatever you say" is a unique one that I personally never encountered before. But it is what it is I suppose, and that's why I stayed and will continue staying away from this forum. I just found the contrast between reality and what some TYM members knowledge gap is, amusing.

I just know I'd clown you in any FG.
 

ImpostorOak

Goro is a Pokémon
The only thing I know when it comes to a substantial portion of TYM is that logical arguments will be trump'ed, pun intended, by clout. It's proven by the natural evolution of the game and the competitive landscape, how clueless some wannabe experts are in here.

Case in point. Look at this clown wanting to strong-arm an argument not by intelligence and knowledge but by brute force. The notion that "I may be a mechanically better player than you therefore my opinion trumps whatever you say" is a unique one that I personally never encountered before. But it is what it is I suppose, and that's why I stayed and will continue staying away from this forum. I just found the contrast between reality and what some TYM members knowledge gap is, amusing.
I'm not reading that, you're shit at video games. That's obvious because you were scared of a challenge.

Then you talked shit and ran away for half a year just to come back to talk shit.

You're a joke.

Idk why it's so popular for young people to get off on trolling. It has to corelate with how socially inept, sexless, and brainwashed by right wing propaganda and hate content on social media they are, but I'm no anthropologist. If you enjoy upsetting others, you're a piece of shit.
 

ImpostorOak

Goro is a Pokémon
The only thing I know when it comes to a substantial portion of TYM is that logical arguments will be trump'ed, pun intended, by clout. It's proven by the natural evolution of the game and the competitive landscape, how clueless some wannabe experts are in here.

Case in point. Look at this clown wanting to strong-arm an argument not by intelligence and knowledge but by brute force. The notion that "I may be a mechanically better player than you therefore my opinion trumps whatever you say" is a unique one that I personally never encountered before. But it is what it is I suppose, and that's why I stayed and will continue staying away from this forum. I just found the contrast between reality and what some TYM members knowledge gap is, amusing.
Well, I bit and read this.

If you know more than everyone here, why aren't you any good at the game? Are you missing fingers?

Where's your tier list?

You seem to think highly of your own opinion, but the skill is proof of knowledge and you have none.

More than half the tier lists posted here are close to identical to Pros posted tier lists. I think you're just retarded, little bro.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

Twinktile
The only thing I know when it comes to a substantial portion of TYM is that logical arguments will be trump'ed, pun intended, by clout. It's proven by the natural evolution of the game and the competitive landscape, how clueless some wannabe experts are in here.

Case in point. Look at this clown wanting to strong-arm an argument not by intelligence and knowledge but by brute force. The notion that "I may be a mechanically better player than you therefore my opinion trumps whatever you say" is a unique one that I personally never encountered before. But it is what it is I suppose, and that's why I stayed and will continue staying away from this forum. I just found the contrast between reality and what some TYM members knowledge gap is, amusing.
Your arguments would hold much more weight if you explained your point of view instead of coming guns blazing here. Why do you think this tier list (or any, for a matter of fact) is wrong? As a matter of fact, I myself discussed previously why I think this particular placement of Noob Saibot seems too high, in this very thread.
 

rifraf

Apprentice
if you explained your point of view
Maybe for you and some others it could make a difference if I did that. A substantial portion of TYM however proved that needs a 1v1 match for any of my arguments to hold any value. According to those clowns, unless I beat every single one of them in a match, I'm automatically wrong.

This is very unique to TYM and I have no interest in partaking in it. I just wanted to troll a bit.

:REO
 

ImpostorOak

Goro is a Pokémon
@rifraf The shit you said when people were willing to listen to you was categorically stupid, and you refused to listen to anyone that would engage in your scrub ass opinions.

Nice of you to admit you're trolling tho, that seems to be the popular thing to do for irl losers.
 

rifraf

Apprentice