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Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Still can't believe how much they butchered Blood and Cheese. I've heard people call this PG-13 Game of Thrones, and I feel that too. The season finale was really disappointing, so I went back to reread "The Princess and the Queen, Or The Blacks and the Greens" since I remember enjoying it. It was actually a great read, and I recommend it for fans of the show who want to read the original story. Considering how many changes are in the show now, I don't think it will end anything like the books either.

For those who've no doubt heard book readers complain about the Blood and Cheese scene, here is a snippet. If we had gotten this in the show, I think it would have been almost as infamous as the Red Wedding.

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The Tower of the Hand was less secure. The two men crept up through the walls, bypassing the spearmen posted at the tower doors. Ser Otto's rooms were of no interest to them. Instead they slipped into his daughter's chambers, one floor below. Queen Alicent had taken up residence there after the death of King Viserys, when her son Aegon moved into Maegor's Holdfast with his own queen. Once inside, Cheese bound and gagged the Dowager Queen whilst Blood strangled her bedmaid. Then they settled down to wait, for they knew it was the custom of Queen Helaena to bring her children to see their grandmother every evening before bed.
Blind to her danger, the queen appeared as dusk was settling over the castle, accompanied by her three children. Jaehaerys and Jaehaera were six, Maelor two. As they entered the apartments, Helaena was holding his little hand and calling out her mother's name. Blood barred the door and slew the queen's guardsman, whilst Cheese appeared to snatch up Maelor. "Scream and you all die," Blood told Her Grace. Queen Helaena kept her calm, it is said. "Who are you?" she demanded of the two. "Debt collectors," said Cheese. "An eye for an eye, a son for a son. We only want the one, t' square things. Won't hurt the rest o' you fine folks, not one lil' hair. Which one you want t' lose, Your Grace?"
Once she realized what he meant, Queen Helaena pleaded with the men to kill her instead. "A wife's not a son," said Blood. "It has to be a boy." Cheese warned the queen to make a choice soon, before Blood grew bored and raped her little girl. "Pick," he said, "or we kill them all." On her knees, weeping, Helaena named her youngest, Maelor. Perhaps she thought the boy was too young to understand, or perhaps it was because the older boy, Jaehaerys, was King Aegon's firstborn son and heir, next in line to the Iron Throne. "You hear that, little boy?" Cheese whispered to Maelor. "Your momma wants you dead." Then he gave Blood a grin, and the hulking swordsman slew Prince Jaehaerys, striking off the boy's head with a single blow. The queen began to scream.
Strange to say, the rat-catcher and the butcher were true to their word. They did no further harm to Queen Helaena or her surviving children, but rather fled with the prince's head in hand.
Though Blood and Cheese had spared her life, Queen Helaena cannot be said to have survived that fateful dusk. Afterward she would not eat, nor bathe, nor leave her chambers, and she could no longer stand to look upon her son Maelor, knowing that she had named him to die. The king had no recourse but to take the boy from her and give him over to his mother, the Dowager Queen Alicent, to raise as if he were her own. Aegon and his wife slept separately thereafter, and Queen Helaena sank deeper and deeper into madness, whilst the king raged, and drank, and raged.
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Yeah, blood and cheese was changed to shift blame from Daemon solely to Cole and Alicent. You see that source material and think “I can do better” and THIS is what the come up with.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Yeah, blood and cheese was changed to shift blame from Daemon solely to Cole and Alicent. You see that source material and think “I can do better” and THIS is what the come up with.
Yeah the “I can do better” mentality is what completely ruined Game of Thrones. I’m still so pissed off by how all that ended. The most popular show of all time (and it’s not even close), and they fucked it up so badly that I’m surprised GRRM agreed to any of it.
 

chrisisnice

I'm a lover, not a fighter
why in the finale is like 10minutes with random lannister character and some pirates?
This is what puzzled me the most. It was boring and should have been an Episode 1 scene to set up the new season.

When the final episode was over, I thought there must be another episode becasue there was a lot of filler and it felt incomplete. Unfortunately there is not and we will need to wait two years.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
This is what puzzled me the most. It was boring and should have been an Episode 1 scene to set up the new season.

When the final episode was over, I thought there must be another episode becasue there was a lot of filler and it felt incomplete. Unfortunately there is not and we will need to wait two years.
The Tyland Lannister stuff wasn’t filler imo, it just shouldn’t have had emphasis on the finale. Tyland gathering a force to break the blockade on the gullet is a big deal, but not appropriate without payoff THIS SEASON.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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From what I understand, Fire & Blood, the book that the House of the Dragon is based on, is literally just a single book with 24 chapters. And they’re stretching this show out to 4 seasons. So this makes more sense on why the pacing was so horrid in season 2. Oh and apparently, they don’t start shooting/filming for season 3 until early 2025. So I’m assuming at least another 2 year wait for season 3. Instead of quality, they’re going with quantity. Because that = more money. ¯\(ツ)


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Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
From what I understand, Fire & Blood, the book that the House of the Dragon is based on, is literally just a single book with 24 chapters. And they’re stretching this show out to 4 seasons. So this makes more sense on why the pacing was so horrid in season 2. Oh and apparently, they don’t start shooting/filming for season 3 until early 2025. So I’m assuming at least another 2 year wait for season 3. Instead of quality, they’re going with quantity. Because that = more money. ¯\(ツ)


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As someone who read fire and blood, they don’t need to stretch anything. They have more than enough material. They will now need to kill a major character in every single episode AND have major events that transition between them. They don’t have enough time.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

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Also, this might be the only place I can say this, so I might as well:

Jacaerys Velaryon's only redeeming quality is that the actor is absurdly handsome, because otherwise his character is insufferable. Whiny, bitchy spoiled little prince who understands nothing of war and society and whatever - kinda reminds me of a watered down Joffrey Baratheon, just without the sociopathy and cruelty.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Also, this might be the only place I can say this, so I might as well:

Jacaerys Velaryon's only redeeming quality is that the actor is absurdly handsome, because otherwise his character is insufferable. Whiny, bitchy spoiled little prince who understands nothing of war and society and whatever - kinda reminds me of a watered down Joffrey Baratheon, just without the sociopathy and cruelty.
Strong (no pun intended) disagree. He brought the Starks, Arryns, and Freys on board, while Rhaenyra whined and bitched. He has every reason to take issue with Rhaenyra as well, the hell she put him and his brothers through for a choice they never got to make.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

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Strong (no pun intended) disagree. He brought the Starks, Arryns, and Freys on board, while Rhaenyra whined and bitched. He has every reason to take issue with Rhaenyra as well, the hell she put him and his brothers through for a choice they never got to make.
It was in his best interest to do so, as otherwise they'd be left severely outmatched by the greens. Also, as prince heir, wasn't he just doing his job? Rhaenyra also sent her youngest son to bring the other dudes whose name escapes me now (only for her son to be tragically murdered).

Also, he has ZERO reason to bitch about Rhaenyra. All she wants is to take arms herself but understands she is too important to go prancing about on battlefields and must play the backstage game, a sign of maturity. She does make risky moves - as sneaking on Kings Landing itself to try convincing Alicent of stopping the war, a very bold but ultimately foolish move. She also enacts the insane plan of searching for new, non-royal dragonriders which was actually Jacaerys' idea in the first place and, when that eventually pays off, her son moans and groans about "You're giving our priviledge to commoners!!!". Well kiddo, it's that or get roasted by the greens, tough luck. Also, this was your idea. He's too stubborn and childish. Not sure if he is different in the books, as I've not read them, but the series painted this image of him to me.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
It was in his best interest to do so, as otherwise they'd be left severely outmatched by the greens. Also, as prince heir, wasn't he just doing his job? Rhaenyra also sent her youngest son to bring the other dudes whose name escapes me now (only for her son to be tragically murdered).

Also, he has ZERO reason to bitch about Rhaenyra. All she wants is to take arms herself but understands she is too important to go prancing about on battlefields and must play the backstage game, a sign of maturity. She does make risky moves - as sneaking on Kings Landing itself to try convincing Alicent of stopping the war, a very bold but ultimately foolish move. She also enacts the insane plan of searching for new, non-royal dragonriders which was actually Jacaerys' idea in the first place and, when that eventually pays off, her son moans and groans about "You're giving our priviledge to commoners!!!". Well kiddo, it's that or get roasted by the greens, tough luck. Also, this was your idea. He's too stubborn and childish. Not sure if he is different in the books, as I've not read them, but the series painted this image of him to me.
I mean in regards to Harwin Strong being his father.

His only way of proving himself legitimate was being a dragon rider. Now there’s 2 other Targaryen bastards on much larger dragons, that actually look like Targaryens, so if / when Rhaenyra dies, Jace and Joffrey are completely fucked.

Sneaking into Kings Landing to see Alicent was late GOT tier stupid, but we can ignore that. It was the second instance of her disappearing for days without telling anyone, so of course Jace would be upset by this.

She spent the season in a constant loop of doing nothing, complaining about doing nothing, condescending anyone who tells her to do something, talk to Mysaria who now only exists to validate Rhaenyra, then finally move forward with the dragon seeds. She thinks she should emulate Visenya Targaryen (who is a giant Valyrian supremacist), more similar to Aemond or Daemon) would hate Rhaenyra, and would be disgusted to see 3 dark haired boys on dragons ready to inherit the throne.

He’s also only 16 in the show I believe, he may be too harsh with Rhaenyra regarding her decisions in the war efforts, but she absolutely deserves some blowback from him for he and his brothers being set up for failure so clearly from the second they were born.

Season 1 Rhaenyra was an excellent protagonist with flaws, truly well intentioned but still held accountable by the plot. The way she talks and the way characters treat her this year contradict her characterization in season 1, and she now just portraya the writer’s morality instead of continuing Rhaenyra from season 1. Her and Alicent both have been completely assassinated imo.