You know I have to say it, that Sindel placement. Explain yourself lol.
Great minds think alike! I’m just glad people are starting to agree that Smoke isn’t all that great. People kept saying I was downplaying and it’s like, I would LOVE for Smoke to be top 5 I would be ecstatic! But if you know the MU, there’s really not a whole lot he can do other than invis setups. Which his invis stuff is good don’t get me wrong, but having to rely on it so much isn’t a good sign.
I mean she could maybe go up with Liu Kang and above Kitana, but I feel sub zero Kameo invalidates her zoning, and while she’s strong there are better characters.
Sub is my second character and I understand this- however this is the case for most characters, online i land b2 with Smoke more often than i would offline because people can just interrupt it with d1, i get away with cancelling on block sometimes, nothing smoke does is a true 50/50 unless theres a kameo trick i dont know of, yet online the mix works- sub zero should get higher damage and a few tweaks but the fact that the “worst” character is still viable is a great sign, and kameos have made it so theres ways to compensate
Is Jax that good? I mean, the extra damage is great with some characters, but the ground pound is mostly gimmicky, and he has no use in neutral...
I don’t think Sub or Smoke for that matter are truly viable, or at least these versions of them won’t be a few months down the line for a certainty. But I definitely agree that if these are our low tiers, and considering the game was pushed out the door early, they did a great job with the balance. And on the flip side, if Kenshi truly is #1, I’m fine with that. You actually have to learn him and have a brain to play him, if you’re caught in sento and lose the puppet, you’re fucked. He is extremely good but he’s no day 1 MKX Tanya or Alien where you can just pick up and play instantly, NRS have come a really long way. I’m pissed over the un-needed nerfs to Sub, but the fact these are some of the worst characters in the game and they’re not just joke characters like MK9 low tiers or the Joker, it’s awesome. There’s still merit to these characters to a degree and I’m certain things will improve.
I think Sonya is better than Shuninko on average but otherwise agree
Yeah I have Sonya in front of Shujinko. Shujinko can be very good but he’s really more of a counterpick Kameo as @Eji1700 said
Ah, didn’t realize it was ordered. I meant better to the point of she that shouldn’t share a tier with him, but it’s really just a nitpick, I like your list and I think based on what we’ve seen in tournaments and just anecdotal experience, it’s a good starting place for judging the kameos.
I completely agree with this. Let's hope NRS will make a course correction here because it is concerning. This is a fast paced, high dmg output game similar to MK9. Let's normalise the concept of buffing up instead of nerfing down. Buff weaker characters up, nerf only when necessary.
The only nerfs i'd like to see at this point are on some kameo attacks, and even then I could live with them being missed so long as they buff others. And if i had to pick between the two, i'd want the buffs.
Yeah, I just wish they’d buff and then if they believe something needs to be nerfed, only very slightly nerf it. For instance with Cyrax, just make his spinny spin cost more Kameo meter. Like make it cost 70% or so, or make it recharge really slowly after using it. This makes it so you can still use it, just can’t use it as often. I really hope they do nerfs this way instead of completely making whatever the good move is useless.
No I have not heard anyone say that.
