Raiden General Discussion

[Mandolore1123]

 

[kabelfritz]

what he lacks in tightness, he makes up for in heart.

 

[Mandolore1123]

what he lacks in tightness, he makes up for in heart.

I guess in Kameo? It does seem mids in this game are in general slower. And everything can be plus with kameo anyway

 

[Trustful_Whale]

it doesnt feel right that a throw is an unblockable combo starter

I think it's cool personally. Lots of games let you combo after throw but I see where you're coming from.
Also one of Baraka's combo trials is using Cyrax to combo after throw so it's probably staying.

 

[kabelfritz]

I think it's cool personally. Lots of games let you combo after throw but I see where you're coming from.
Also one of Baraka's combo trials is using Cyrax to combo after throw so it's probably staying.

oh damn, yup thats fully intentional then.

 

[kabelfritz]

raiden can get a back throw combo with darrius, rb while the last hit connects will juggle enough to connect bf3. probably not worth the cost outside of clsing a round though, darrius ambush takes the full bar.

 

[Mandolore1123]

Been testing with Kameo Sektor.

some combos with him:

with meter just amp df2 and then f2 or 4 df2 depending if you are in the corner or not

meterless

12-bKameo, 34, f34, f2- df2 (292.29 dmg)
f43-bKameo, 34, f34, f2-df2 (341.29 dmg)
f22-bKameo, 34, f34, f2-df2 (342.29 dmg)
2421-bKameo, 34, f3, f2-df2 (367.42 dmg)
2421-normal kameo (call it when u press practically 24 tight timing), df1 (rocket lands when df2 hits), f34, f34, f2-df2 (411.08 dmg)


corner
starter, bKameo, slighty step back, 34, 34 (you can f34 here but timing is tight), 24 (timing is tight but you can 242)-df2

while df2 is being done you can call kameo for the rocket and setup?

Building on this you can do 24 (up rocket) 2 and either:

• On hit: cancel into 1~DF1 and continue the combo
• On block: cancel into DB3 and get a safe chip sequence (I need to test how plus you actually are with the rocket)

 

[kabelfritz]

sektor is a good kameo for raiden, if you end combos in df2,k(ameo), you will get a free jip unless they wake up

12 bk didnt kombo for me though

 

[Mandolore1123]

sektor is a good kameo for raiden, if you end combos in df2,k(ameo), you will get a free jip unless they wake up

12 bk didnt kombo for me though

I agree. I like Sektor and Raiden too. Utility with up rocket is nice and telepunch still lets us combo off starters where shocker might whiff

 

[kabelfritz]

ive also dabbled with darrius and he can create lowverheads with raiden.

if you end kombos in f34k~fk you will get the setup to mix f43 with darrius' overhead follow-up with any timing, just delay both as you please. i find it a bit complicated when you consider that delayed wake up can be in the game though, you might waste a full kameo bar for nothing if youre not great at reads.

 

[Mandolore1123]

Building on this you can do 24 (up rocket) 2 and either:

• On hit: cancel into 1~DF1 and continue the combo
• On block: cancel into DB3 and get a safe chip sequence (I need to test how plus you actually are with the rocket)

Drat the chip sequence isn't actually that plus at all
It's better than nothing I guess.

 

[xRantex]

raiden can get a back throw combo with darrius, rb while the last hit connects will juggle enough to connect bf3. probably not worth the cost outside of clsing a round though, darrius ambush takes the full bar.

I think it was Motaro I saw. Either way it's cool cause I land some nice throws would love to cash out

 

[Mandolore1123]

sektor is a good kameo for raiden, if you end combos in df2,k(ameo), you will get a free jip unless they wake up

12 bk didnt kombo for me though

Actually have you tried Cyrax? Does net connect after stuff like far range F43 and 12?
I assume the spin will let us make DB3 plus on block or at least safe
Also net trades will be immensely easy to convert off of because of teleport

 

[kabelfritz]

Actually have you tried Cyrax? Does net connect after stuff like far range F43 and 12?
I assume the spin will let us make DB3 plus on block or at least safe
Also net trades will be immensely easy to convert off of because of teleport

i have tried him a bit and as far as i can tell, net kombos with almost nothing across the roster. startup is super-slow and it stays for ages, so think its meant to be a counterzoning tool. you could even walk up and combo after a full screen projectile trade.

spin makles you plus after db 3, sure.

 

[Mandolore1123]

i have tried him a bit and as far as i can tell, net kombos with almost nothing across the roster. startup is super-slow and it stays for ages, so think its meant to be a counterzoning tool. you could even walk up and combo after a full screen projectile trade.

spin makles you plus after db 3, sure.

Drat, I guess I might stick to Sektor then.

 

[kabelfritz]

Drat, I guess I might stick to Sektor then.

as far as i can tell raiden doesnt profit from stun moves anymway. he gets more damage with an early df2EN launcher due to scaling.
BTW scorpion is good for raiden kombos as well, i'd use him if i didnt already use him with reptile.

 

[Mandolore1123]

as far as i can tell raiden doesnt profit from stun moves anymway. he gets more damage with an early df2EN launcher due to scaling.
BTW scorpion is good for raiden kombos as well, i'd use him if i didnt already use him with reptile.

I mainly want my kameo to have:

• Decent utility in neutral since our projectile isn’t the strongest
• Able to make DB3 safe so we can get meterless chip
• Can help convert off iffy starters like far range F43 since shocker doesn't always connect

I guess Sektor is the best fit so far but manually timing up rocket is a pain in the ass. Either way I guess I need to really play more and get used to it

 

[kabelfritz]

I mainly want my kameo to have:

• Decent utility in neutral since our projectile isn’t the strongest
• Able to make DB3 safe so we can get meterless chip
• Can help convert off iffy starters like far range F43 since shocker doesn't always connect

I guess Sektor is the best fit so far but manually timing up rocket is a pain in the ass. Either way I guess I need to really play more and get used to it

i found that if you fiddle a bit, there are always good indicators when to press the ambush button. for raiden you can for example input 2+k421 to make the string so plus that you can poke afterwards, or just dial f22df2k ender to get the perfect jip setup. or if you missile -> tele in neutral, you must tele the exact moment the missile is off screen to get the setup tight. it comes quite naturally with some labbing.

 

[Mandolore1123]

i found that if you fiddle a bit, there are always good indicators when to press the ambush button. for raiden you can for example input 2+k421 to make the string so plus that you can poke afterwards, or just dial f22df2k ender to get the perfect jip setup. or if you missile -> tele in neutral, you must tele the exact moment the missile is off screen to get the setup tight. it comes quite naturally with some labbing.

I’ll have to take a look at that teleport setup thanks.
The only autotimed setup I have is the one I said earlier. 24k2 then on hit do 1~DF1 into damage and on block do DB3 for safe chip
I’ve also been able to get up rocket to hit after back throw but I haven’t found a way to convert off that

 

[Mandolore1123]

Thunder dudes I consult thee. How the fuck do I get this skin

 

[TrasHxBoaT]

Dint know if it's any help but best I could do for a Darius set up. Will do about 740 if they get hit

 

[Szkarad]

Thunder dudes I consult thee. How the fuck do I get this skin

around 17th level of character mastery

 

[Mandolore1123]

around 17th level of character mastery

Bless you

 

[Szkarad]

So. Some time has passed since release. What cameos have you been using?

For combos I think Scorpion is the best since you get ~30% no bar from any starter and ~50% one bar combos. Also has an overhead special which goes nicely with F434 and gets you decent damage for what it is (FYI it's a combo starter).

For pressure/chip damage I've been using Kano combining him with DB3. Also some zoning help is appreciated on Raiden.

Maybe we could get a separate thread for discussing Raiden cameos, @RoboCop ?

 

[kabelfritz]

So. Some time has passed since release. What cameos have you been using?

For combos I think Scorpion is the best since you get ~30% no bar from any starter and ~45% one bar combos. Also has an overhead special which goes nicely with F434 and gets you decent damage for what it is (FYI it's a combo starter).

For pressure/chip damage I've been using Kano combining him with DB3. Also some zoning help is appreciated on Raiden.

Maybe we could get a separate thread for discussing Raiden cameos, @RoboCop ?

i found a bug with scorpion sadly, he should normally be even better with raiden. after raidens back throw, you should be able to juggle with scorpions up kameo, but he spawns on the wrong side of raiden, far off the screen. you only hear the fire and see the kameo bar go away.