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New 3D-Era Representation: Who Makes it to MK12?

Two 3D-era Representatives for MK12

  • Jarek

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Reiko

    Votes: 12 19.4%

  • Kai

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Mavado

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Hsu Hao

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Li Mei

    Votes: 12 19.4%

  • Nitara

    Votes: 12 19.4%

  • Drahmin

    Votes: 4 6.5%

  • Dairou

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Darrius

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Hotaru

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Shujinko

    Votes: 5 8.1%

  • Kobra

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Ashrah

    Votes: 11 17.7%

  • Kira

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Havik

    Votes: 29 46.8%

  • Taven

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Dagon

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Sareena

    Votes: 13 21.0%

  • Meat

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
Nickolaidas

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
mattteo said:
That's all? Like....Kenshi, Quan Chi, Tanya (who were there before like Fujin and Bo'Rai Cho) and then just a couple more from which we are sure of Reiko and Havik? So what's the new stuff?

Just 5-8 from the 3D era? Say one of Nitara/Sareena/Ashrah/ Li Mei makes it in. It negates the other 3. No Onaga as boss? No Red Dragon members? (Like Ed Boon hinted). Can't even hope for likes of Drahmin and Moloch?
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I think that Havik and Reiko are 100% in. Plus Quan Chi and Kenshi. Those four are 100% IMO.

Then we have the 50% like Tremor, Tanya and Fujin.

Then we have the 25% like Nitara, Li Mei, Ashrah, Frost and Hotaru. Heck, I'll throw in Daegon because there's a chance the Red Dragon may actually be a THING this time.

So I can see 6-8 3D era characters, IF we're lucky and Ed Boon meant it when he said that 3D era representation will be 'fixed'.

Any more will be a welcome miracle, but we can't deny that they also need to put the MK1-3 popular cast, and maybe 1-2 new characters.
 
mattteo

mattteo

Apprentice
@Nickolaidas

I wouldn't count Tremor as a 3D era character. He appeared in a spin-off game and then in MKX. You could say he is more an NRS era character.

If Frost comes back again at the expense of cool characters I am screaming. Many fans even like that character?

If Havik (who we both think 100% will be in) and Daegon for the Red Dragon (a maybe), then I see Hotaru or Taven making the game as well.

Ed Boon has a soft spot for Tanya (his siter's name, like Sonya) and he already said she vcomes back in twitter.

So I count Quan Chi, Tanya, Reiko, maybe Fujin, Kenshi, Havik, probably Onaga as a boss, a Red Dragon member or two (Daegon and maybe Mavado?), at least one of Sareena/Ashrah/ Li Mei. I don't give Nitara many chances because I remember Boon hates her. But they all seem to like Shujinko so he's a possibility. Kai was remembered at times. Like I said Hotaru and Taven have their chances, as well as Shinnok returning.

So many more than 8 will be in.
 
Nickolaidas

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
mattteo said:
@Nickolaidas

I wouldn't count Tremor as a 3D era character. He appeared in a spin-off game and then in MKX. You could say he is more an NRS era character.

If Frost comes back again at the expense of cool characters I am screaming. Many fans even like that character?

If Havik (who we both think 100% will be in) and Daegon for the Red Dragon (a maybe), then I see Hotaru or Taven making the game as well.

Ed Boon has a soft spot for Tanya (his siter's name, like Sonya) and he already said she vcomes back in twitter.

So I count Quan Chi, Tanya, Reiko, maybe Fujin, Kenshi, Havik, probably Onaga as a boss, a Red Dragon member or two (Daegon and maybe Mavado?), at least one of Sareena/Ashrah/ Li Mei. I don't give Nitara many chances because I remember Boon hates her. But they all seem to like Shujinko so he's a possibility. Kai was remembered at times. Like I said Hotaru and Taven have their chances, as well as Shinnok returning.

So many more than 8 will be in.
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All the above you said (except Taven) are solid candidates, but not guarantees. Nitara got some exposure with the movie, so I see her chances better than Ashrah.

The more 3D era characters they'll put, the more different the roster will feel from MK11's. But they also run the risk of pissing off the fans of the 2D Midway and NRS era by neglecting classics and faves. Yeah, Sonya needs a break, Jax needs a break, Kano needs a break, Raiden needs a break, no arguments there. But I don't see all our Bingo boxes getting checked.
 
Marinjuana

Marinjuana

Up rock incoming, ETA 5 minutes
Ashrah should be back with almost the same design but I think she should have a Jeykl and Hide aspect where her demon comes out. Like she should be angelic and pure but this requires concentration and discipline and she can't always maintain her balance.

Imagine she looks like she does in Deception but then her round taunt she reverts into Hosaku from Killer Instinct or something out of The Grudge.

Think Galadriel in Fellowship, Raven from Teen Titans, the Exorcist, that scene in Scary Movie 3 where Samara (The Ring girl) appears all angelic

 
DoDaMuSiC

DoDaMuSiC

Ermac ftw
Afk Skinny said:
It does warm my heart to see more outcry for 3d era. Most of them are as bad as they are cause they only got one game to develop, in an era where they had to pump out games to keep midway alive since that was the only seller they had. Of course they're gonna seem worse than the OGs. Yeah there were a couple of duds who would need a lot more work than others, but that goes for 2d too. The roster the past 3 games have just been so uninspired. Like imagine Mavado web slinging all over the arena, Ashrah summoning the souls of the demons she has slain to fight for her, Havik pulling a Ms. Fortune and his head attacking the opponent while his body closes in. Those sound a lot more interesting to me than woman with drone, cybernetic man with knives, and man with cyber arms who punches hard and shoots
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I agree with this, most people like the characters like Kano, Jax, Sonya etc, because they’re used to them by now, they have been in pretty much every single game and a bunch of different movesets which make them feel new every time, meanwhile they hate 3d characters because the one or two games they have been in they weren’t well executed.
3d characters aren’t bad (well, outside of a few ones, looking at you mokap and kobra), actually some of them on paper are much more interesting than the OGs, Havik’s moveset is dope, Nitara’s moveset is dope, Ashrah’s moveset is dope.. the problem is we only had like a couple of games to really see them.
Look at how much cool all the 3d characters that appeared on the nrs era are, Fujin is the swaggiest character in mk11, kenshi was dope in both mk9 and mkx, Frost had a lot of cool things in mk11, Shinnoks gameplay in mkx was one of the most fun to watch…
Every single character can be redeemable, we just have to give them a chance in a modern game..Nrs showed us that they can do it, judging by wall of the 3d characters that they put in the last 3 games
 
Nickolaidas

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
DoDaMuSiC said:
I agree with this, most people like the characters like Kano, Jax, Sonya etc, because they’re used to them by now, they have been in pretty much every single game and a bunch of different movesets which make them feel new every time, meanwhile they hate 3d characters because the one or two games they have been in they weren’t well executed.
3d characters aren’t bad (well, outside of a few ones, looking at you mokap and kobra), actually some of them on paper are much more interesting than the OGs, Havik’s moveset is dope, Nitara’s moveset is dope, Ashrah’s moveset is dope.. the problem is we only had like a couple of games to really see them.
Look at how much cool all the 3d characters that appeared on the nrs era are, Fujin is the swaggiest character in mk11, kenshi was dope in both mk9 and mkx, Frost had a lot of cool things in mk11, Shinnoks gameplay in mkx was one of the most fun to watch…
Every single character can be redeemable, we just have to give them a chance in a modern game..Nrs showed us that they can do it, judging by wall of the 3d characters that they put in the last 3 games
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This.

The people who hate the 3d era simply lack the imagination to see the amazing potential half of those characters have if they are revamped in the newer MK games.
 
Juxtapose

Juxtapose

Master
Nickolaidas said:
Irrelevant to what we were talking about, but ok.
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Okay!

Nickolaidas said:
we'll have 5-8 3D era characters (counting Quan Chi and Kenshi and possibly Tanya in there) once all DLC is done with.
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Since we don't know a roster yet, we'll see.

Mortal Kombat 4, while the first 3D game of the franchise, isn't really part of the 3D era but the arcade era (gameplay more akin to Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 and it was an arcade game with the same general style). Quan Chi and Tanya don't count then.

Kenshi's also alright, and one of the only 3D era characters that is.
 
mattteo

mattteo

Apprentice
MK4 is 3D era because one can move in 3D. Simple.
Though it is connected to the first Trilogy by Tobias' involvement
 
Art Lean

Art Lean

Kombatant
MK4's a bit of an enigma, the gameplay is firmly rooted in the 2D era, whilst the graphics are obviously 3D. I'm personally on the fence whether I'd call any of its new characters as 3D-era.

However Quan Chi, Fujin, Sareena and Shinnok are all first fought in the digitised and 2D Mortal Kombat Mythologies, so I do feel they're technically not 3D era characters regardless :rolleyes:

 
mattteo

mattteo

Apprentice
Mortal Kombat Mythologies is a game adiacent to MK4 and made together with MK4 to give audiences backstory.
 
Nickolaidas

Nickolaidas

Agent of Chaosrealm
mattteo said:
MK4 is 3D era because one can move in 3D. Simple.
Though it is connected to the first Trilogy by Tobias' involvement
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I don't think that the fandom will ever agree to what MK4 was. XD

I personally think it was a stepping stone, an in-between the two eras. It had weapon-wielding, like the 3D era, but it didn't have fighting styles and mostly used a 2D plane for gameplay. And the game modes were more akin to the original trilogy, but had added cinematics which were prevalent in the 3D era. It really is a fascinating case.

One could even argue that the fighting styles of the 3D era were basically the precursor of the variation system in the NRS games.
 
Juxtapose

Juxtapose

Master
Art Lean said:
MK4's a bit of an enigma, the gameplay is firmly rooted in the 2D era, whilst the graphics are obviously 3D. I'm personally on the fence whether I'd call any of its new characters as 3D-era.
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Exactly. It absolutely is a 3D engine on a 3D plain, but it's gameplay is far more 2D and it plays nothing like "Deadly Alliance" through "Armageddon." (which are the 3 games I refer to as the 3D era.

Even Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, while a 3D game, is vastly different.
 
Art Lean

Art Lean

Kombatant
Also as a nerdy aside, Quan Chi debuted in the MK franchise with the MK3-set cartoon Defenders of the Realm, whilst Shinnok debuted in the MK3-set movie Annihilation...

I mean, I know they're not videogames, but when combining those appearances with their in-game debuts being Mortal Kombat Mythologies, that for me definitely puts their characters in a different era of the franchise than the likes of Hsu Hao, Moloch, Dairrou and Darrius; none of whom can boast ever having been genuinely part of the digitised era for Mortal Kombat like the cast below.

But that said, maybe just something broader in scope is more accurate anyway; rather than "2D" vs "3D" era characters and the can of worms that opens with MK4, I'd simply say "Tobias era", "arcade era" or "1st generation" covers everything many of us see as a clear division in MK's history between the 90s period (which for me also includes both Mythologies and even Special Forces, which account for Quan Chi, Shinnok, Fujin, Sareena and even Tremor, although he admittedly never had the digitised sprite treatment) and the "2nd generation" (or "3D era"), which would be the PS2-era characters created from Deadly Alliance, until the start of the "3rd generation" which, I'd arguably say begins with MK Vs DC.

Granted, you could start the 3rd generation with MK9, and call it the "NRS era" but then you have the issue of MK Vs DC playing far more like MK9 than the PS2-era 3D games, clearly seems to have been made on the same engine as MK9, and was the first with the cinematic story mode... the only thing that's really separating it is the company name (and it didn't have any new characters anyway).

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Vslayer

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
Lead Moderator
What if, we don't get Johnny, but we get a really cool Kobra? I would love someone who does like karate/jujitsu and having their moveset be only that. I think people could really like Kobra if they give him a simple but cool design and a really good personality. Maybe a bit of a goof like Johnny. I know he's the Ken joke char but there's lots of potential there.
 
mattteo

mattteo

Apprentice
I think you guys are overstating what is "top". They are bearable for simple humans bcs they were given storylines and important things to do.

Best MK feeling comes from otherworldly characters
 
Law Hero

Law Hero

There is a head on a pole behind you
I hope we get some 3D stages back so we can appreciate them in a 2D arena as well, especially since the 3D era has many of my favorite stages.

I wanna see Yin Yang island and Beetle Lair come back.
 
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