Marlow
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I remember people thinking Geras was really strong, and an obvious top tier, but not broken. At least no more so than when any new fighting game launches and people obsess over 1-3 characters day 1.
I remember people thinking Geras was really strong, and an obvious top tier, but not broken. At least no more so than when any new fighting game launches and people obsess over 1-3 characters day 1.
I mean tier discussions are impossible as is since everyone's got their own personal definitions, and youtube/twitter never helped.
Ofcourse it's an expectation. Most of the complaints about the game stem from expectations.
Absolutely, but there's a point where expectations are not realistic. I've seen enough people posting the game would be supported for half a decade plus, which was never going to realistically happen.
This was probably the first game where I saw an abundance of moves that were not useful. It's like they were there to be improved upon or something.
Yes, more content was added and more support was provided for a little longer, but there was an attempt to improve and alter Mortal Kombat X's meta. Run cancels required more stamina, launching attacks with armor were removed or required two bars, combo breakers reset neutral, some overhead attacks were changed to mid attacks, and the block and hit advantage for some moves was reduced. Obviously, Mortal Kombat X remains a highly offensive game that I personally could never play for too long, but I give NRS credit for at least trying to address people's concerns and problems at the end of the game's lifespan. On the other hand, no such attention or effort was ever given to Mortal Kombat 11. Nothing was done to address complaints about the wake up system and the vast majority of krushing blow requirements while very little was done to address complaints about fatal blows. The solution to breakaways was supposed to be the anti-armor moves, which had a horrendous implementation as they were impractical for one third of the roster, and even more on release. The meta had never changed and remains stagnant to this day. For this reason, almost all top players quit the game as soon as they heard that support would cease.
Because Jade has a unique way to ignore projectiles, one of the best amplified special moves to use for block strings and hit confirms, and an aerial projectile that offers frame advantage on block. While Cetrion is the superior character, Jade certainly has distinct attributes that separate the two characters from one another. The contrast that you have made between Ram and Goldlewis can easily be made between Cetrion and Jade too.
7 months in term's of modern game design and development is actually more than a "little" longer. That's over a third of the length of time Mortal Kombat XL was supported.
Expectations as set by other fighting game companies and developers.
I spoke with Chernyy, and he says Scorpion was a terrible, flawed design and obviously an unfinished character. If you were winning with him, it was because you were playing him wrong.
Not at all. I keep my expectations quite realistic for any developer/game. I pay attention to business models and expect from there. As I mentioned, I expected about 3 years of support for the game, but we got well below that. I also do suspect more things were planned, but got nixed. Whether I'm right and for what reasons, we may never know.
Coincidentally so did Mortal Kombat 11. During the pandemic we received:
Half of the content has nothing to do with the meta of the game. Furthermore, none of the content has anything to do with addressing concerns and complaints that most top players communicated to NRS for a year and longer. The specfic content that was designed to address complaints about breakaways included a half-assed implementation of anti-armor moves that were useless for half the cast upon release.
And then quit Strive within a month, even though it's still being supported, because it supposedly wasn't deep/interesting enough. The irony here shouldn't be lost on anyone.
Neither should statistics and data.
That's not what your comment was about. Out of all the 'upper echelon' NRS players who were playing streaming Strive day one, how many of them are still competing in or streaming Strive?
I am not sure because I do not follow the Strive scene closely.
I am fully aware of the game's criticism, but the reality is that players, NRS or otherwise, are still playing the game and are willing to travel during a pandemic to compete. Strive did have the most participants at CEO.
I think you're misunderstanding my point here. My point was that it's not about the game — Strive is doing well (despite the complaints). You made a point specifically about NRS top players switching to Strive. And I brought up the fact that, if you look at both Twitch, Twitter, and tournament brackets for Strive, those players were nowhere to be found after a month. And it's not due to support, because Strive is actively being supported.
This pattern primarily exists for NRS fighting games, which begs the question: Are top NRS players the most spoiled and the most hypocritical in the FGC, as you seem to imply? Or is there another component worth discussing? While I do believe some of what you post to be accurate, the reality is that NRS creates shallow fighting games whose meta never advances past the first year of release. Warner Bros.' entire business model prioritizes quantity over quality, which you already know to be true, but you choose to only focus on the community and its players, trivial arguments, and false equivalencies because you (and REO) have convinced yourselves that Mortal Kombat 11 is a "good" fighting game. LOL.
You are absolutely correct, and you realize you're also proving my point. You're now focusing specifically on the meta and upper level of balancing, instead of focusing on support (in general) and whether content was added through the pandemic (which it was).
Obviously. The vast majority of people who intended to play Mortal Kombat 11 long term could not care less about story expansions and towers of time challenges. They care about aspects of the game that was going to change or advance the meta (i.e., balance patches, hotfixes, DLCs, etc.)
I think that our community is pretty young, and that many of the players playing now didn't grow up competing in the less patch-heavy era of fighting games.