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The WORST Character In The Game - it's a shame for NRS!

Slymind

Noob
REO didn't mention anything about f34. Shao Kahn doesn't need to jail into a high because he has F34. I don't think f34 needs to be special cancellable but they need to change the KB requirements. It should trigger if it hits as a kounter. That would give him an easy way to get some beefy damage and if you are using f34 correctly then it's almost certainly gonna counter something.

Shao Kahn does in fact need some help to his buff moves. Dark Priest is safe off 212 or f212 but it comes at a sacrifice to real damage. I really wish the hit confirm window on b2 was longer because you have to special cancel it to get decent damage. RIdicule is too slow. I've been saying it since day 1. Absolutely everyone knew it then, everyone knows it now. I remember players talking about it the first day on stream when debating which variation to main. IT IS STILL TOO SLOW. Can you believe it used to be even slower?!

V1 has up hammer which is easily countered but can at least finish a match sometimes and that low special is damn near useless.

V2 is crippled by having Ridicule attached to it.

V3 is trash because Spear Charge is so much worse than Shoulder Charge.
Legit question, what do you think they should to spear charge to justify the loss of shoulder charge and wasting one slot while at It?
 

Ashesfall

"Feel the wrath of Shao Kahn"
to stay on topic

here are my patchnotes: (i try to be realistic not greedy - "normalizing")

Normals:
- d1 is now +15 on hit (up from 10)
- d3 is now +15 on hit (up from 10)
note: +15 because his s1 is very slow with 9f
- add a extra hit on b2 - b22 (double staff hit) specialable
note: now he has a 2 hit string into special, giving more time to input the special
- 142 is now -4 (down from -9)
- 232 no gap anymore and -2 on block (down from -7)
- f212 is now -9 (down from -15)
- f34 no gap anymore
- hop 1/2 is now -10 (down from -18)

Specials:
- BF1 hold d to lower the thrown angle (adding more ways to combo into the speer to get more realistic 3 hits for his KB)
personal note: could also add bf1 u, throwing the speer higher for kinda anti air
- DB1ex (V1,2) now does 70 damage (up from 50)
- BF3exd (V1,2) now does 80 damage (up from 70)

V1:
- BF2 22 frame startup (down from 26)
- BD4 +5 on hit (bug fixed)
- BD4 increased hitbox
- BD4ex -8 on block (down from -18)

V3:
- BF3ex works now only on hit (like shoulder)
- BF3ex decrease the distance to make the combos more fun to do
- DB2 does now 70 damage (up from 60)
 

Marinjuana

Up rock incoming, ETA 5 minutes
Legit question, what do you think they should to spear charge to justify the loss of shoulder charge and wasting one slot while at It?
Doesn't it travel farther, faster? Though it definitely sucks to have to spend meter on it without knowing that it will hit.
 

xKMMx

Banned
Why do people get so up in arms if the character they want to be strong isn't? I was ALLLLLLLL in on Noob the second I saw the reveal for him. THe game came out and he wasn't terrible but wasn't good and got boring fast. So I just looked for a different character that fit my playstyle and that was that.
 

Zviko

Noob
Why do people get so up in arms if the character they want to be strong isn't? I was ALLLLLLLL in on Noob the second I saw the reveal for him. THe game came out and he wasn't terrible but wasn't good and got boring fast. So I just looked for a different character that fit my playstyle and that was that.
Some people are loyalists, you gotta respect that. Also some people might look at the lore and see this strong badass boss-like character but then he's bottom 2 in MK11 and I can totally understand how they feel about that too. I don't even play Shao but I want him to be on Geras's level just because of that.
 

xKMMx

Banned
might look at the lore and see this strong badass boss-like character but then he's bottom 2 in MK11 and I can totally understand how they feel about that too. I
From the perspective of being a loyalist I get it. I literally only played Predator for the longest time in MKX and I didn't have the problem of him being a lower tier character. And yea I mean it would make sense that he is visually a total badass and has that in his lore.
But at the end of the day what Im saying is if your going to be a loyalist to a low tier and winning is important to you then you have to just find a way to be effective with those limitations or pick up characters to cover your bad match ups. I must just suck against Shao cause I have been straight up bodied by some really good Shao kahns and im a really good player for a casual.
 

DragonofDadashov24

Let’s see whose fire burns hotter
From the perspective of being a loyalist I get it. I literally only played Predator for the longest time in MKX and I didn't have the problem of him being a lower tier character. And yea I mean it would make sense that he is visually a total badass and has that in his lore.
But at the end of the day what Im saying is if your going to be a loyalist to a low tier and winning is important to you then you have to just find a way to be effective with those limitations or pick up characters to cover your bad match ups. I must just suck against Shao cause I have been straight up bodied by some really good Shao kahns and im a really good player for a casual.
Predator was like top 10 wasn’t he? You played Warrior?
 

xKMMx

Banned
Predator was like top 10 wasn’t he? You played Warrior?
I don't know man. I never really looked at tier lists cause I didn't really pay attention to that kind of thing when I was playing that game. I was just getting into fighting games on a higher level than just learning a few basic moves when I started with MKXL. But I know from reading the old MKX forums he was pretty hated for his "broken" status. I actually was an HQT main. But I did learn Warrior and Hunter. Hunter I learned mainly to pull off the crazy Sonic fox combo that was like 55 percent and Warrior I learned just so I could hit sick shit into his self destruct brutal. Nothing funner than pulling that off.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Predator was like top 10 wasn’t he? You played Warrior?
Predator was top 5 when he launched, but was progressively nerfed. Still good though, HQT was still really good in the last patch, but I dont think he was top 10, but I think it is arguable. MKX had its issues but Hunter and HQT Predator was so damn fun
 
I sure hope they will take notice of Shao. I am KK main and when the game started both of em were bad .With a lot of buffs KK is now a good character , and i sure hope that Shao is going to get the same treatment. At least from what i have seen with shao , most of his moves havent came out of beta . back hammer , up hammer , spear charge, throwing spear , f34 (both cancel and KB), f12,charge amp(down one ),restand that DOESNT restand, taunts ( they rly do need an amp for armor and a ton of frames shaved off of them) etc..
 

DragonofDadashov24

Let’s see whose fire burns hotter
Predator was top 5 when he launched, but was progressively nerfed. Still good though, HQT was still really good in the last patch, but I dont think he was top 10, but I think it is arguable. MKX had its issues but Hunter and HQT Predator was so damn fun
That’s why I asked about Warrior, HQT was definitely broken prepatched, I would still give it top 10 position though
 

DeftMonk

Noob
Shit, man, that’s really not funny. My student, who is 11, just told me her dad left their family. She was saying that while covering her face from me and that hit hard.
I have no fucking clue why I just said that, Shao Kahn is an asshole but yeah, he needs buffs asap. The worst character in my opinion is arguably D’vorah.
tell poor dimitri my bad... I'll send her back.
edit oh damn u said a girl lost her dad. That wasn't me.
 

xKMMx

Banned
Predator was top 5 when he launched, but was progressively nerfed. Still good though, HQT was still really good in the last patch, but I dont think he was top 10, but I think it is arguable. MKX had its issues but Hunter and HQT Predator was so damn fun
I will say as much as I'll defend HQT not being broken overall.....his D4 was broken AF lol. It was so fast and had so much range plus it was special cancelable into all of his specials haha. The opening of 99.9 percent of 1st rounds in Predator mirrors was a "lets see who's D4 gets buffered and hits first." lol.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I will say as much as I'll defend HQT not being broken overall.....his D4 was broken AF lol. It was so fast and had so much range plus it was special cancelable into all of his specials haha. The opening of 99.9 percent of 1st rounds in Predator mirrors was a "lets see who's D4 gets buffered and hits first." lol.
I was a Sub-Zero player so I know how busted Predator can feel, especially his D4 which nullified my ice klone. He was very overwhelming when he launched, before Predator got nerfed a shit ton and before Sub-Zero got a few buffs that helped out his kloneless nenutral.

Be that as it may, sometimes getting knocked down as Predator could mean the round is basically forfeit vs some characters and you may as well save your meter. God awful armor and a gigantic hitbox
 

xKMMx

Banned
I was a Sub-Zero player so I know how busted Predator can feel, especially his D4 which nullified my ice klone. He was very overwhelming when he launched, before Predator got nerfed a shit ton and before Sub-Zero got a few buffs that helped out his kloneless nenutral.

Be that as it may, sometimes getting knocked down as Predator could mean the round is basically forfeit vs some characters and you may as well save your meter. God awful armor and a gigantic hitbox
Well I am almost positive I was playing after the final patch cause I only played like the 9 months before MK11 was released but it only nullified the clone if you were in range he hit you. I used to get walk back baited into D4ing by Subz all the time. Lol yea and his problems of not having good wake up options were especially on display against blenders like Sub. If even was able to get up from a cornered knock down against a Sub or Sorcerer Quan I considered it a small miracle.
Warrior had a great armored reversal and wake up with his slap but it didn't have a follow up after the last patch. Im guessing that was one of his nerfs cause I saw old combo videos of him just destroying people for like 64 percent off a grab with slef destruct and that slap