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(Discussion) The Unprecedented Stated of MK11

DeftMonk

Noob
that's just you getting experience and playing better.

Also legitimately every fighter has this it's basically explaining what a fighting game is.

That isnt depth. There is no need to shill here. Mk11 beats many of it's predecessors in many ways but depth is 100% not one of them. It's a very shallow game.

That in itself allows the game to be more read heavy which is good in a way but it's not good for longevity.
If this game was as deep as say guilty gear tho casuals would never begin to scratch the surface of it. So this is what we get. MK11 will never be some play your entire life type of game people just need to accept it for what it is and either play it or commit to something else.

Edit: or play it with the hopes that hitboxes will be fixed because that is a possibility. Immense depth however is not.
 
No it doesn’t. Restrictions are in your mind. I’ve noticed that no one uses Cassie’s low starter cause it’s slow but it’s a good tool when you’ve conditioned them to fear the overhead. Things like that. I learn new tactics everyday. Every fight is different and if you use a flow chart instead of constructing an attack based on how the opponent is playing then yeah It’ll be mind numbing.
Lol what? People don't use the low starter because its slow??? NO!! People don't use it because the string is unsafe and cant be hit confirmed.
 

Gooberking

FGC Cannon Fodder
I 100% agree. How much more obvious does it need to be? Why are people not actually talking about a possible solution in allowing full customization. That is why i petitioned ultra david to maybe bring some light to the discussion.
Is it really something that needs fixing? I get it's not all deep in the way you and others personally would like, but there are like 50 billion fighting games that have come out over the last few years. Can't people just go play something else instead of trying to make something into something else?

I get that there is a place for that and it helped shape MKX into something better than it started as, but I happen to like the game as it is, and I'm not sure I'm super keen on someone fighting so hard to try and make it conform to their personal FG value set.
 

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
Lead Moderator
that's just you getting experience and playing better.

Also legitimately every fighter has this it's basically explaining what a fighting game is.

That isnt depth. There is no need to shill here. Mk11 beats many of it's predecessors in many ways but depth is 100% not one of them. It's a very shallow game.

That in itself allows the game to be more read heavy which is good in a way but it's not good for longevity.
Lmao I’m not shilling. I’m trying to to tell someone who’s bored of the game to see it from a different angle. Experience is still learning new things. The game may have limited combos but there is still plenty to do strategy wise. Combos are just flourish, they don’t do anything if you can’t open up someone.

You can acuse me of shilling, but you all need to stop being so damn negative all the time.
 
I don't think this game is anywhere near dead but I agree with most of your post. However, I disagree about customs fixing anything.

Custom moves fall into two categories: Required and Preference. Unfortunately alot of required customs are 2 points. I believe this is ultimately because of how badly designed each characters base moveset is. Instead of adding new and exciting enhancements to each character, it feels like you're plugging major holes.

They need to fix base movesets, slightly tweak some of the custom moves and possibly lower recovery across the board to open some stuff up. They could lower damage to compensate. Too bad this is a huge task that I don't think is even feasible.
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
Meanwhile on TYM, as some continue to say there’s no new tech, other people are busy posting new tech:


You gotta love the irony of this, haha. There is always something else to be discovered or labbed :)
Lol do you even play kollector? This is a.) not new and b.) borderline useless..

I love msmiharo and think she is a great person but that 13 VIAL ender leaves you at like negative 10. I can literally get up have a coffee and then go punish this setup attempt. Don’t be such a shill brother

This little vid literally took my minute to make




Btw ms miharo I didn’t mean to put you on blast. That was not my intention and I apologize
 

KingHippo

Alternative-Fact Checker
That is such and objective fucking statement and a slap in the face of the "current" top players who still play at a top level who also played then.

Just straight ignorance.

The amount of bullshit you had to deal with in mk9, the amount of things you had to remember compared to MK11........ is a joke.

Just so bad man.
It's really not ignorance, just a fact. With no proper training mode, horrible net play, and most info cobbled together from testing on a forum, it was very difficult to get ahead if you didn't have a local scene to practice consistently.

We've seen Evo champions for the older games struggle to place even top 32. DJT, Scar, Big D, and Sonic are the most consistent MK9 era players, and even then Scar and Sonic are still a little more consistent due to doing a lot of traveling and playing.

Dragon could probably pick his teeth with the NY MK9 crew in MK9.
 

Wigy

There it is...
Instead of creating another thread, I will post the link here. REO, Slips, Tom, and I discuss this thread and some of the reactions in the most recent episode of our podcast. If you have some time to spare, listen in.

Watched this earlier.

Good to hear you guys agree with many of my thoughts and the part where rep talk about how everyone just says git gud and put you on blast for saying anything negative is so true on tym. That mixed with crimson and a few others nonstop shilling for NRS is just as infuriating as the actual crybabies on here.

Good podcast guys.

@Tom Brady Honestly spitting so much truth these days, had my share of arguments and disagreements with him over his mkx subzero tantrums but really enjoy his opinions these days.

Great content.
 

DeftMonk

Noob
isn't tech almost always unintentional? just look at melee. so much depth and no one discusses whether or not it's intentional because it's irrelevant.
Option selects always get patched if the game has any kind of support bro. I honestly didn’t even bother trying to get this one down because I thought they would do somethin about it eventually. But looking at Pauli’s response (I am 99% convinced btw this is because it would be near impossible to take out without changing how engine works on block/hit) I’m gonna get on it ASAP. It might have existed since mk4 but no one used it or thought of how to use it since there was other shit that was way scarier. In this game however it’s hella good.
 
I'll get flak for this, but I feel they played it safe in another way; modest costuming, dialed back violence (the fatalities are gory, but usually skipped, the match fighting is very tame), and too much time spent not fighting against other people in a format that is all about 1 on 1 competition.

It doesn't feel like Mortal Kombat, and you spend too much time playing against AI under goofy modified rules and then running around in an honestly barren krypt.


TL;DR: Not enough chances taken aesthetically, and too much forced grind.
I was just thinking about this the other day. I remember, during MKX, a lot of people here asked for a brighter game. I kind of agreed but honestly I think they should have stuck with the art style of MKX. There was just something about how that game's art made the game feel. It was brutal. It felt like a bunch of battle-worn warriors with tons of frontal lobe damage that turned them into sadistic psychopaths. Every character was so dark in a way. Besides the horror characters, Erron Black and Dvorah stood out to me. The art style made them seem so twisted. Now we have Loony Toons Erron Black and Dvorah looks like a Power Rangers villain.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
meanwhile there is someone on tym that styles himself as a "community engineer" and has really only trolled a forum. i have said it in a million posts and you have yet to acknowledge it one time. tym team, tournament series, updated events calendar, more welcoming character forums, marketing the site on social media et cetera et cetera are all things that you could be doing to further the scene. honestly if you cannot maybe at least change your name to forum moderator or something that suits your actions a bit more.

i am happy to see the chorus of people seeing through your bias.
I shouldn’t even have to do this, but I’m going to call out your nonsense because it has a way of spreading even when it’s untrue.

I have always found a way to provide missing links or help out where I can. The reason you don’t seem to know this is that I don’t go around trumpeting my actions. But since you keep asking, this goes way back:

-When CD Jr. missed reg for EVO I emailed the cannons and got him late reg’ed after the deadline so he could play
-When the Terry bros. were going to miss SCR last minute because they didn’t have money for the trip, I went out and Western Union’ed them the money so that they could make the tourney and play.
-When Blake was going to miss EVO because his transportation was falling apart I helped him out so that he could go
-I helped pay 16 Bit’s registration for SCR in Injustice so that he could make the tourney.
-When Triforce screwed KDZ I paid his fee for TFC so that he could go. He ended up winning the entire thing.
-When Pig held an online tourney to get someone (ultimately Madzin) to MLG, and Hatake Osawa screwed Pig out of the money needed for Madzin to go, I donated the rest of Hatake’s share so that Madzin could travel.
-When Pig used his 4G to save the stream at Final Round I sent him money for the overages on his cell phone bill.
-When NEC reg. was low I gave BigE $250 to add to the pot bonus to help encourage people to make it out.
-When NLBC reg. for our games was flagging I sent Art money for a bonus to try to get people out.
-When Injustice dropped and no one was watching the locals, I started doing big writeups of WNF and NLBC every week to get people interested in tuning into weekly local streams. It became a thing and it worked.
-I have made adjustments, fixes, etc. to TYM for years, for free, because I believe in this community, and I also believe that you should give back to the places where you hang out, instead of just complaining and dunping your trash there. Remember when Storms debuted this new layout and it was somewhat of a mess, and then it slowly started to come together and take people’s feedback into account? Who do you think made a lot of those adjustments?Yeah. I was up late every night writing CSS code, debugging issues, and editing Xenforo templates to try to improve things for you guys.

Behind the scenes, in the conversations you guys don’t see, I’ve also fought to do stuff to make this a better place. The reason people can now freely post podcasts when that was once an issue is that I put my modship on the line, to demand that people be able to speak freely even if they criticized TYM in the broadcast. People like you and Dave.

The reason that You. Are. Here. is that I made a case for unbanning you and giving you a second chance, after you were permed for PM’ing a female mod with some vulgar stuff. Don’t forget that.

None of this is about the normal ‘mod’ stuff, which also has plenty of days where you’d just like to go play or get some sleep, but you end up helping someone who can’t register, has an issue with something, needs to change their email, or wants their thread cleaned up. Everything above is just extra.

So don’t talk to me about changing titles.. The common thread in this is that I’ve always done things to help solve problems for other people. I haven’t asked for a single thing for myself. I don’t own this site, but the community is my passion. I’d love to see you do something with it other than complain.
 
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DeftMonk

Noob
Lmao I’m not shilling. I’m trying to to tell someone who’s bored of the game to see it from a different angle. Experience is still learning new things. The game may have limited combos but there is still plenty to do strategy wise. Combos are just flourish, they don’t do anything if you can’t open up someone.

You can acuse me of shilling, but you all need to stop being so damn negative all the time.
I mean theres a difference between combos that are 90 minutes long for no reason which is what I think a lot of these people want and combo pathing being more leniant. Some chars are very limited with oki setups from combos not to even mention stuff like side switching etc from a combo. I get your point tho, I just started incorporating arrow cancels out the elbow into my NW gameplan and it's been suuuper useful. (on hit you have loooots of time to hit confirm into arrow and on block u can delay arrow to stuff their reversal or you can cancel and mixup). This game is not a MvC style combo fiesto or even tekken for that matter but it does have lots of ways to condition your opponent which is what fighting games are about anyway.
 

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
Lead Moderator
I mean theres a difference between combos that are 90 minutes long for no reason which is what I think a lot of these people want and combo pathing being more leniant. Some chars are very limited with oki setups from combos not to even mention stuff like side switching etc from a combo. I get your point tho, I just started incorporating arrow cancels out the elbow into my NW gameplan and it's been suuuper useful. (on hit you have loooots of time to hit confirm into arrow and on block u can delay arrow to stuff their reversal or you can cancel and mixup). This game is not a MvC style combo fiesto or even tekken for that matter but it does have lots of ways to condition your opponent which is what fighting games are about anyway.
Exactly You can always find something new to integrate into the conditioning aspect of your gameplan. I’m fine with shorter combos, I just wish there were more paths for some characters. Still, I think this game has an incredible amount of depth.
 
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even if the game is becoming a little stale/boring; they could just open up the custom characters or find way to rework the characters to give longer combos. some of y'all may think long combos are insignificant but that shit is just fun. why take away fun?
 

DeftMonk

Noob
I shouldn’t even have to do this, but I’m going to call out your nonsense because it has a way of spreading even when it’s untrue.

I have always found a way to provide missing links or help out where I can. The reason you don’t seem to know this is that I don’t go around trumpeting my actions. But since you keep asking, this goes way back:

-When CD Jr. missed reg for EVO I emailed the cannons and got him late reg’ed after the deadline so he could play
-When the Terry bros. were going to miss SCR last minute because they didn’t have money for the trip, I went out and Western Union’ed them the money so that they could make the tourney and play.
-When Blake was going to miss EVO because his transportation was falling apart I helped him out so that he could go
-I helped pay 16 Bit’s registration for SCR in Injustice so that he could make the tourney.
-When Triforce screwed KDZ I paid his fee for TFC so that he could go. He ended up winning the entire thing.
-When Pig held an online tourney to get someone (ultimately Madzin) to MLG, and Hatake Osawa screwed Pig out of the money needed for Madzin to go, I donated the rest of Hatake’s share so that Madzin could travel.
-When Pig used his 4G to save the stream at Final Round I sent him money for the overages on his cell phone bill.
-When NEC reg. was low I gave BigE $250 to add to the pot bonus to help encourage people to make it out.
-When NLBC reg. for our games was flagging I sent Art money for a bonus to try to get people out.
-When Injustice dropped and no one was watching the locals, I started doing big writeups of WNF and NLBC every week to get people interested in tuning into the streams. It became a thing and it worked.
-I have made adjustments, fixes, etc. to TYM for years, for free, because I believe in this community, and I also believe that you should give back to the places where you hang out, instead of just complaining and dunping your trash there. Remember when Storms debuted this new layout and it was somewhat of a mess, and then it slowly started to come together and take people’s feedback into account? Who do you think made a lot of those adjustments?Yeah. I was up late every night writing CSS code, debugging issues, and editing Xenforo templates to try to improve things for you guys.

Behind the scenes, in the conversations you guys don’t see, I’ve also fought to do stuff to make this a better place. The reason people can now freely post podcasts when that was once an issue is that I put my modship on the line, to demand that people be able to speak freely even if they criticized TYM in the broadcast. People like you and Dave.

The reason that You. Are. Here. is that I made a case for unbanning you and giving you a second chance, after you were permed for PM’ing a female mod with some vulgar stuff. Don’t forget that.

None of this is about the normal ‘mod’ stuff, which also has plenty of days where you’d just like to go play or get some sleep, but you end up helping someone who can’t register, has an issue with something, needs to change their email, or wants their thread cleaned up. Everything above is just extra.

So don’t talk to me about changing titles.. The common thread in this is that I’ve always done things to help solve problems for other people. I haven’t asked for a single thing for myself. I don’t own this site, but the community is my passion. I’d love to see you do something with it other than complain.
damn bro... hit the man with a brutality on that one. Friendship next time imo.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Hot Take: the drama in this thread/argument is becoming more interesting to me than Kombat League.

Here's to hoping this argument gets big enough to get noticed. It worked in MKX when we finally got GGPO and the world rejoyced; this can happen, too. Not even full all legal moves if it's not time. Just change it up. Add more spice. Give Noob back his Portals. Bring back NJP combos. Idk. Let my ballbusting never be confused with actual dislike; I want this game to be its best self. And I know it can be better than the best character in the game's most effective tool being...123 Double Bicycle Kick. Sorry. That's lame. You couldn't even PLAY Liu Kang in MKX at a serious level unless you were crisp as crisps with your execution. And there's a lack of crazy - the crazy that's made NRS games hype in the past, but keeps taking hits in the name of balance - that hasn't been balanced out in meta or mechanics. This game needs some more crazy. But that is only my opinion, and I am only a Box.

Also, on an unrelated note, I really wish New York would make a comeback. If I'd lived in Pelham Bay then rather than now, it could've been a different world. Sheeeeeit...
 
Hot Take: the drama in this thread/argument is becoming more interesting to me than Kombat League.

Here's to hoping this argument gets big enough to get noticed. It worked in MKX when we finally got GGPO and the world rejoyced; this can happen, too. Not even full all legal moves if it's not time. Just change it up. Add more spice. Give Noob back his Portals. Bring back NJP combos. Idk. Let my ballbusting never be confused with actual dislike; I want this game to be its best self. And I know it can be better than the best character in the game's most effective tool being...123 Double Bicycle Kick. Sorry. That's lame. You couldn't even PLAY Liu Kang in MKX at a serious level unless you were crisp as crisps with your execution. And there's a lack of crazy - the crazy that's made NRS games hype in the past, but keeps taking hits in the name of balance - that hasn't been balanced out in meta or mechanics. This game needs some more crazy. But that is only my opinion, and I am only a Box.

Also, on an unrelated note, I really wish New York would make a comeback. If I'd lived in Pelham Bay then rather than now, it could've been a different world. Sheeeeeit...
as soon as the crazy starts happening; people start crying omg this game is so busted and broken with so much bullshit and why can't the game be more balanced. the crazy is what made mk fun and now part of the fun is slowly going away.