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*TOURNEY SEASON 3 - TEAM BATTLES* TYM League (PSN)

STB Sgt Reed

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
cashthesehands said:
Jax mains shitting on Jacqui??? Now i've seen it all
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Listen...

Ain't nobody got time for a rushdown character that you can't even zone out effectively. I'll get back to ya when I get in constantly with Jax's multiple safe options that go almost full screen. (Spoilers, he doesn't have them, Jacqui does.)

Edit: And b4 y'all even say it... dash punch is full combo punishable and fatal blow is full combo punishable.

Jacqui's dash punch is safe and b22 is safe.
 
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Madog32

Madog32

PSN: ImaGiveItToUBaby
STB Sgt Reed said:
Edit: And b4 y'all even say it... dash punch is full combo punishable and fatal blow is full combo punishable.

Jacqui's dash punch is safe and b22 is safe.
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but one is a mid, and the other is a high...

dash punch is KB D2 FULL COMBO punishable. Even without the KB, a crouch into whatever punish you want works. Its 30f of recovery.

Her FB is also full combo punishable.

And her B22 is -7. Isn't Jaxs D1 7f?

If I had my way, I'd sent 'em both to the nerf factory :cool:

...and take Liu with you!
 
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Vslayer

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
Lead Moderator
Ger187 said:
Oh f*** sorry my bad.. where do i see wich time and date the match has to be?
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(including loser bracket)
Round 1 - Mon & Tues
Round 2 - Wed & Thurs
Round 3/Quarterfinals - Fri
Semifinals - Sat
Loser Finals - Grand Finals

Dreamcatcher posted it in here a couple pages ago and in the group chat but maybe you aren't in there so I'll get you added.
 
STB Sgt Reed

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
Madog32 said:
but one is a mid, and the other is a high...

dash punch is KB D2 FULL COMBO punishable. Even without the KB, a crouch into whatever punish you want works. Its 30f of recovery.

Her FB is also full combo punishable.

And her B22 is -7. Isn't Jaxs D1 7f?

If I had my way, I'd sent 'em both to the nerf factory :cool:

...and take Liu with you!
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You're blocking for the mid tho, so you end up blocking dash punch a fair amount. And it's -7, just like b22 is -7. -7 which is not punishable.

Her FB doesn't travel across the screen. I only included Jax's because I figured ppl would say he can use that to get in. He can, but it's punishable.

D1 taking your turn isn't punishable. It's safe.
 
cashthesehands

cashthesehands

monster masher
STB Sgt Reed said:
You're blocking for the mid tho, so you end up blocking dash punch a fair amount. And it's -7, just like b22 is -7. -7 which is not punishable.

Her FB doesn't travel across the screen. I only included Jax's because I figured ppl would say he can use that to get in. He can, but it's punishable.

D1 taking your turn isn't punishable. It's safe.
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-7. which is the same as Jax's overhead :coffee: . Except he's right on top of you. And can KB you with the overhead, throw, or Quad grab. with arm heat.

They're both total pains in the ass, and comfortably top 10 - Jax is likely even top 5.
 
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Madog32

Madog32

PSN: ImaGiveItToUBaby
STB Sgt Reed said:
You're blocking for the mid tho, so you end up blocking dash punch a fair amount. And it's -7, just like b22 is -7. -7 which is not punishable.

Her FB doesn't travel across the screen. I only included Jax's because I figured ppl would say he can use that to get in. He can, but it's punishable.
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Ah, gotcha.

Nah i wouldn't really call his FB a "get in from full screen" move. Its more like an "I dare you to attempt to do anything but block until I've used it" move :). Which pretty much means he's getting in relatively safely vs. most characters.

STB Sgt Reed said:
D1 taking your turn isn't punishable. It's safe.
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What do you mean?
 
STB Sgt Reed

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
cashthesehands said:
-7. which is the same as Jax's overhead :coffee: . Except he's right on top of you. And can KB you with the overhead, throw, or Quad grab. with arm heat.

They're both total pains in the ass, and comfortably top 10 - Jax is likely even top 5.
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Yeah, but this was about safe getting in options vs zoners. Where jax struggles and jacqui is supposed to, but doesn't.

lmfao whoever told you that is selling you a bill of goods my friend. Jax is definitely not top 5. And don't quote sonic, he's wrong on his lists 80% of the time.

Madog32 said:
What do you mean?
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Punishable means you're hitting them for a combo. Unless I've been wrong all these years. Like say, mk9 scorpion teleport. He does that on block, balls up into a ball and is like -200000 and you get a full combo punish.

Something being less negative than the fastest combo starter is considered safe because there is time to block the opponents attack. Yes, you lose your turn, but you're not getting blown up.

Jakealo said:
Hey man I should free around 7pst. Hopefully that's not too late for you
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Shit, why is everyone always on west coast? lol

I'll try to be on tonight at 10/11 pm est.
 
Vslayer

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
Lead Moderator
Professor Oak said:
Hey, everybody. Pull me from this. It’s gotten mad unorganized and just truthfully doesn’t provide much experience for the amount of trouble. Thanks in advance! Still down for long sets to learn Mus and practice with anyone who wants it.
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I think the thing that makes it seem unorganized is just the different time zones, but hopefully, we'll get better at it!
 
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Dreamcatcher

Dreamcatcher

EFL Founder
Professor Oak said:
Hey, everybody. Pull me from this. It’s gotten mad unorganized and just truthfully doesn’t provide much experience for the amount of trouble. Thanks in advance! Still down for long sets to learn Mus and practice with anyone who wants it.
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The main issue is players not showing up or flaking out, not how this is being run. There's also an issue with time zones and player work schedules. Unless you truly want to wait forever and have no DQ's, this is the best case scenario in a lot of ways. The league scheduling itself has been posted multiple times and been consistent. If anything, you're just adding to that problem by exiting in the middle of a tourney. It's not like you're the only one frustrated about it, but if leaving out of frustration is the answer for you then I will go ahead and oblige to remove you. Not really fair to the rest of the players, but it is what it is.
 
Madog32

Madog32

PSN: ImaGiveItToUBaby
STB Sgt Reed said:
means you're hitting them for a combo. Unless I've been wrong all these years. Like say, mk9 scorpion teleport. He does that on block, balls up into a ball and is like -200000 and you get a full combo punish.

Something being less negative than the fastest combo starter is considered safe because there is time to block the opponents attack. Yes, you lose your turn, but you're not getting blown up.
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Ah. I don't think you have to be able to get a combo on block for it to be considered "punishable". It's just not full combo punishable. If a D1 is guaranteed to land after blocking the attack, the D1 is still a punish (and will say so on the screen).

But I know what you mean now.

Jax SHOULD struggle a bit more than jacqui to get in, don't you think? She cant chip you at all until she's in B2 range, and anything other than walking in risks her getting punished (dash punch), or at least losing her turn (B2, B22).

Sure, Jax obviously wants to be in your face as well, but he has options outside of that. Jacqui can't chip you with MB heat missile. She can't catch jumpers with a lobbing projectile. She can't force a jump or low block with ground pound. All she can do is walk, or gamble with Bf2/B2/B22. To give Jax a safe way to suddenly blast past any zoning would make him even more insane than he already is! (cough FB cough)

I'm not arguing that one is better than the other. They're both at the top of my list for sure. I would just be TERRIFIED to see a Jax that can pester me from full screen, and then decide to safely charge at me to start his up-close nonsense as well!

As much as I'd love to see both of them touched by the nerf angel, give me a Jacqui over a Jax any day.
 
STB Sgt Reed

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
Madog32 said:
I'm not arguing that one is better than the other. They're both at the top of my list for sure. I would just be TERRIFIED to see a Jax that can pester me from full screen, and then decide to safely charge at me to start his up-close nonsense as well!
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I'm not saying he should have it, I was just responding to someone saying jax players shitting on jacqui is funny.

I don't think any character should be good at range and good up close (aka nerf that bitch sonya).

Jax and Jacqui are really strong up close and should get zoned out, but I feel like jacqui doesn't (not as bad anyway), while jax does.
 
cashthesehands

cashthesehands

monster masher
STB Sgt Reed said:
I'm not saying he should have it, I was just responding to someone saying jax players shitting on jacqui is funny.

I don't think any character should be good at range and good up close (aka nerf that bitch sonya).

Jax and Jacqui are really strong up close and should get zoned out, but I feel like jacqui doesn't (not as bad anyway), while jax does.
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I say it's funny because it's two of the arguably best characters in the game complaining about each other. next it'll be liu calling for sonya nerfs :D

And Jax should struggle more than Jacqui to get in, since he has (several) full screen options. And if those aren't working, he's got some of the best stagger pressure in the game, not to mention throw loops, all while staying mostly safe.

There's a reason we've got so many in this league!
 
Madog32

Madog32

PSN: ImaGiveItToUBaby
STB Sgt Reed said:
I'm not saying he should have it, I was just responding to someone saying jax players shitting on jacqui is funny.

I don't think any character should be good at range and good up close (aka nerf that bitch sonya).

Jax and Jacqui are really strong up close and should get zoned out, but I feel like jacqui doesn't (not as bad anyway), while jax does.
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I agree! I'm shocked they didn't address her rings, and instead tackled her flying punches :confused:

I just think the fact that Jax has somewhat of a full screen presence and Jacqui does not is the counter balance to why she supposedly gets in easier.

But honestly, nothing in this game feels like trying to get in on Starfire/Fate using Canary, so I can't really relate to those kind of complaints :rolleyes:
 
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