Buffalo Mentioned in The Verge’s Player Conduct Article

[GLoRToR]

Yeah true, but still the popoff was just a popoff. Buffalo was yelling “ft2 boyz!” ffs, lol.

“Misbehaves” is too vague. There’s has to be clear, unambiguous rules. Like, don’t touch anyone who doesn’t want to be touched and/or doesn’t/can’t give consent. Don’t drug people without their knowledge. Don’t sleep next to someone who didn’t consent to you sleeping next to them. The ridiculousness is at an all time high right now. How ridiculous is it that rules like this seem to need to be required? All these scumbags should be banned from events forever, with zero appeal.

I agree, law has to be clear but there has to be law and it has to be enforced by professional staff.
The premise that "nerds are chill" needs heavy revision because while most of us are, and you won't find me screaming in your face for bopping me in a game, some people aren't as well mannered and sportsmanship is not in everyone's vocabulary either.

As for "just a popoff" I'm going to have to disagree on that.
If you look at his eyes and body language, he was actually under heavy stress and he was venting immense frustration. He had the self-control or perhaps the reason not to get physical but that was actual anger and frustration that he blew up with.
In any public event with professional security, there would be two handling him and one standing in his way between him and his target, all three of them firmly suggesting him to stand down, gently forcing him back away and using neutral language with him.
He was screaming at Scar for nearly a minute.

This is unacceptable, if a competitor pulled an item capable of causing bodily harm to threaten another competitor with, this level of security incompetence could have cost someone a trip to the hospital or worse.

 

[SwiftEagle]

The players should behave like actual human beings instead of wild animals.
I look down on people who try to glorify thuggishness as cool because e.g. "it is part of the fgc".
Even if it wasn't a known fact that the top players are around the age of 16-23 you can see it in their actions at times like these.
No offense to the people who can behave but this age group contains many immature brats. Now add their possibly inflated ego to the equation because they know they are good at something and these childish beefs are no surprise.

As for the Buffalo case he was out of line even if Scar doubted his skills in a tweet. Stop giving a fuck about other people's ambiguous opinion based on a short tweet. Also stop having a fragile ego.

Anything short of committing an act of violence should be allowed. Videogames are competitive like sports, and trash talking makes every match better and funner to watch. I like when players get angry and scream when they win, just like enjoy I watching big, loud hits in football. Nobody got hurt and nobody hit anybody. These authoritarian attitudes are the reasons why swear words are censored in this game, and why the females are covered up in bed sheets. You need to lighten up.

 

[dark55]

Buffalo’s popoff was based on something Scar started. Scar initiated the disrespect unprovoked. Buffalo didn’t touch him or say anything bad, really. Yeah he was close to him and yelling, but again, there was history there. It’s not like people are blowing up on completely random players, that would be stupid.

It’s interesting we’re choosing to focus on something so trivial, when the real issue is certain FGC members molesting and/or sexually assaulting women at events/after parties. That seems a little more important than a competitive popoff at a major tournament.

Doesnt matter who started it. While everyone likes a good pop off every once n awhile...why do it on stage and make security get involved INCASE something happens? Just flip the guy off and say u suck and move on. And the molesting gurls...while that has nothing to do with this thread that is a police issue not somethibg the fgc can handle.

 

[dark55]

Imagine thinking $50k is or has ever been “pocket change”. Must have a nice privileged life to be able to say something like that.

I was just about 2 comment on that. Im sitting here thinking da eff? When da eff has 50k ever been pocket change. Lots of ppl dont even make that a year working a normal job....

 

[dark55]

This is a different day and age. You gotta realize there are sponsors and organizations looking at the fgc and see if investing is worth it. They see ppl on screen damn near kissing and getting hype hoopin and hollering, throwin chairs in the crowd and even fighting makes the scene look worse than it already does. Doesnt matter if u don't think its a big deal. Pop off on social media or out the public eye not on stage. Simple... clean up the fgc and the tox and then the fgc could be getting those $3 mil checks to cash in a few years.

 

[GLoRToR]

Anything short of committing an act of violence should be allowed.

No.

• Verbal abuse shouldn't be allowed. The difference between verbal abuse and smack talk is that verbal abuse contains elements that many may not condone to in their personal conduct, including racism or otherwise discriminative speech.
• Personal attacks shouldn't be allowed. The difference between personal attacks and smack talk is that getting personal can include threats of bodily harm, the mentioning (and/or threats concerning) one's beloved and other elements which should be off limits.

There are several points in law which cite what form of speech is not acceptable even in a competitive environment and they all should be considered.

 

[Enexemander]

This is a different day and age. You gotta realize there are sponsors and organizations looking at the fgc and see if investing is worth it. They see ppl on screen damn near kissing and getting hype hoopin and hollering, throwin chairs in the crowd and even fighting makes the scene look worse than it already does. Doesnt matter if u don't think its a big deal. Pop off on social media or out the public eye not on stage. Simple... clean up the fgc and the tox and then the fgc could be getting those $3 mil checks to cash in a few years.

How much money does the UFC make again? Boxing? Wrestling?

Combat sports utilize trash talk to hype up the participants and especially the crowd (pro Wrestling is BASED on this).

The problem isn't that the FGC (which is a virtual combat sport) is utilizing time tested and highly profitable trash talking. The problem is the number crunchers are idiots who are comparing a 1v1 combat sport to Minecraft or whatever. What works gangbusters in one doesn't work in the other.

The highest events are all about trash talking. Or should Muhammed Ali have shut his pretty mouth? I think not.

 

[Tony at Home]

I thought Buffalo's popoff was lame but it's super unfair to have an article that mentions it in the same breath as sexual assault. That's like an entirely different category and magnitude of offense

"Hey the Verge wrote an article about sexual assault in FGC, and you're in it"
"Wait what the actual fuck??? WHY"
"You yelled at that guy that one time"

 

[SwiftEagle]

No.

• Verbal abuse shouldn't be allowed. The difference between verbal abuse and smack talk is that verbal abuse contains elements that many may not condone to in their personal conduct, including racism or otherwise discriminative speech.
• Personal attacks shouldn't be allowed. The difference between personal attacks and smack talk is that getting personal can include threats of bodily harm, the mentioning (and/or threats concerning) one's beloved and other elements which should be off limits.

There are several points in law which cite what form of speech is not acceptable even in a competitive environment and they all should be considered.

law

What? What laws? If people can't handle words then maybe they shouldn't be competing in any environment. What exactly was he screaming at Scar? All I heard was " Whats up boy" and "fuck you". Neither of them personally attacked each other. Even if they did who cares?

 

[SOULWARRIOR 71K]

Don’t care for the article but am I the only one who thinks saying FT2boyz is not enough to justify someone screaming at you inches from your face for that long? Popping off is one thing. Invading someone’s personal space over a video game? That ain’t it chief.

 

[Sazbak]

Anything short of committing an act of violence should be allowed. Videogames are competitive like sports, and trash talking makes every match better and funner to watch. I like when players get angry and scream when they win, just like enjoy I watching big, loud hits in football. Nobody got hurt and nobody hit anybody. These authoritarian attitudes are the reasons why swear words are censored in this game, and why the females are covered up in bed sheets. You need to lighten up.

You are projecting onto me. I did not say that popoffs should be banned I just simply dislike over the top blowups and I don't think they're entertaining to watch. I also dislike the culture that promotes these types of things. I dislike forced brutal violence and porn in series e.g. GoT.
I dislike that people are animalistically addicted to these things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

Also no, my attitude is not the reasons for swearwords being censored or women being covered up in games. This is absolutely farfetched to say and missing the point about what I am truly trying to express.
I just wish people would be more about meaningful things than superficial entertainment. Have some dignity and self-respect and act like a human instead of an animal

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Slips into the thread, looks around, quietly slips back out

 

[Eldriken]

Raw emotion + adrenaline + love of the game = Buffalo's behavior.

Give the guy a break.

 

[MsMiharo]

People comparing FGC to boxing yeah I'm out

 

[dark55]

How much money does the UFC make again? Boxing? Wrestling?

Combat sports utilize trash talk to hype up the participants and especially the crowd (pro Wrestling is BASED on this).

The problem isn't that the FGC (which is a virtual combat sport) is utilizing time tested and highly profitable trash talking. The problem is the number crunchers are idiots who are comparing a 1v1 combat sport to Minecraft or whatever. What works gangbusters in one doesn't work in the other.

The highest events are all about trash talking. Or should Muhammed Ali have shut his pretty mouth? I think not.

did u just compare the FGC to combat sports? uhhhhh da eff? We play fighting games we dont fight in a organization that relies on shit talking to hype up matches. If you have to watch ppl talk shit and have drama to get hype for tournament matches then you picked the wrong community to be in my friend. I can see where you were TRYING to go with that point but pick another example.

 

[Enexemander]

did u just compare the FGC to combat sports? uhhhhh da eff? We play fighting games we dont fight in a organization that relies on shit talking to hype up matches. If you have to watch ppl talk shit and have drama to get hype for tournament matches then you picked the wrong community to be in my friend. I can see where you were TRYING to go with that point but pick another example.

Nope. The best matches in the FGC are those that have history, have some trash talk, and have some juice. Who remembers Big D popping off (RIP Chair). Everyone who saw it.

But let's make it illegal because someone uninvolved watching might get offended. Yeah, no. It's a FIGHTING game.

 

[trufenix]

Nope. The best matches in the FGC are those that have history, have some trash talk, and have some juice. Who remembers Big D popping off (RIP Chair). Everyone who saw it.

But let's make it illegal because someone uninvolved watching might get offended. Yeah, no. It's a FIGHTING game.

Nobody got offended by that though, they are entirely different.

 

[dark55]

Nope. The best matches in the FGC are those that have history, have some trash talk, and have some juice. Who remembers Big D popping off (RIP Chair). Everyone who saw it.

But let's make it illegal because someone uninvolved watching might get offended. Yeah, no. It's a FIGHTING game.

lol uhhh naw. you are welcome to your opinion as wrong as it is but i will say pop offs can be funny and entertaining. But the BEST matches definitely werent the ones were ppl were fighting or throwing shade. Hell i would say some of the best pop offs were from 16 bit ( stephanie now) back in the mk9 and injustice 1 days! those were tight bc he ( back then) was enthusiastic about the game and the fact that he was bopping ppl with low tiers. Not these trash talking drama filled pop offs that i suppose we r talking about these days.

 

[MKF30]

Things like this simply wouldn't happen if NOT for trash talk, putting others down, trying to ruin someone's name regardless of the reason. There's cause and effect, simple really. The Buffalo case he did NOT touch him, so no foul. Like I said before, had Scar not said anything nasty about the guy I highly doubt Buffalo would have reacted that way. Did he do that to EVERY other player he beat in the tourney? No. Exactly. Would have been all over if he acted that way vs everyone he played. And I don't believe that snowflake bullshit about "gotta give the man space" no he doesn't, for one he wasn't dying 2. He was sitting there with a smug look on his face, pretty sure he didn't look anxious about space and 3. ummm in case those people haven't noticed the're literally sitting right next to each other anyway. If they truly care about "personal space" then they'll have a different set up like some other tourneys where they're 10 feet apart in front of their own TV. Which I fully support. We saw this at some events anyway. I just think this is the more logical way to set tourneys up, prevent more direct confrontation.

But I agree with what Jugg said, this could have all been prevented had one guy not talked shit on twitter about the other. Period.

 

[Enexemander]

lol uhhh naw. you are welcome to your opinion as wrong as it is but i will say pop offs can be funny and entertaining. But the BEST matches definitely werent the ones were ppl were fighting or throwing shade. Hell i would say some of the best pop offs were from 16 bit ( stephanie now) back in the mk9 and injustice 1 days! those were tight bc he ( back then) was enthusiastic about the game and the fact that he was bopping ppl with low tiers. Not these trash talking drama filled pop offs that i suppose we r talking about these days.

At this point you're not even engaging with the premise.
Please reread, and try again.

 

[dark55]

At this point you're not even engaging with the premise.
Please reread, and try again.

annnnnnnd done!

 

[SwiftEagle]

You are projecting onto me. I did not say that popoffs should be banned I just simply dislike over the top blowups and I don't think they're entertaining to watch. I also dislike the culture that promotes these types of things. I dislike forced brutal violence and porn in series e.g. GoT.
I dislike that people are animalistically addicted to these things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

Also no, my attitude is not the reasons for swearwords being censored or women being covered up in games. This is absolutely farfetched to say and missing the point about what I am truly trying to express.
I just wish people would be more about meaningful things than superficial entertainment. Have some dignity and self-respect and act like a human instead of an animal

Where do you truly draw the line with trash talk and who determines what can incite violence and what can't? Scar didn't even say anything to warrant that type of reaction yet Buffalo looked like a raging Neanderthal. I personally thought it was hilarious, but some people just get like that. Scar incited violence over one stupid post online. You can never know how somebody will react.
There's no middle ground when it comes to controlling what people say. You either tell everybody to behave or let people say what they want.

 

[SeymorSlash216]

Someone gets in your face during an NBA game like Buffalo did and they are usually tech'd out of the game. Too many eyes and money on the line to be allowing that kind of behavior. If you wanna popoff, do it to the crowd and keep it moving.

 

[ColdBoreMK23]

Imagine thinking $50k is or has ever been “pocket change”. Must have a nice privileged life to be able to say something like that.

Define your use of "privileged" in your sentence.

 

[stokedAF]

I just saw a smash player cracked somebody’s controller on the ground?! Somebody would be getting their stinky ass beat for that one!