NewMK11Player
Noob
Title says it all, thanks in advance.
This is very important. I only always use storm cell very early to check if my opponent knows they can duck. If they don't I love to spam the fuck out of Storm Cell. But yeah this is super important
While I agree this something to work on it shouldn't be a priority for new players to pick up Raiden. I say practice it after you have enough experience with him. Cause using teleport after a string ends or in-between strings is a huge skill to do
Not getting hit twice with that requires you to be open to low starter though. Outside of wakeups, ofc.
I keep seeing this in your and I'm like wtf. DB2 is not safe.
For your first comment, I know that's exactly why it'll never happen in a serious match against a smart/good player. It's a stupid KB requirement. Same for his Superman which has to be hit full screen, most Raiden players will tell you it's impractical unless you need one more bit of chip to win and you can afford to trade possibly damage, otherwise again most players will block it. The Superman is good for only finishing combos or on occasion canceling for pressure.
It doesn't have to actually trigger to affect match. Threat of eating 500 dmg overhead is something that can open people up to low launcher or entice them to wakeup which can also grant full combo if read. You can do something like 270 damage combos ending with b2 just to setup that.
F4~storm cell works when people get too antsy pressing buttons immediately after F4, but the risk-reward is almost never skewed to Raiden’s side. However, now in Raijin you can do F4~DF2 and be -5 with pushback and his stagger game is greatly improved. Of course, the pre-requisite is you need to have buff active in the first place. Though that is another topic.
No if its laggy it's not punishable like a lot of moves are it's normal I'm talking bad conditions. BUt again the b2 won't be done in a serious match.
You have about a second to punish Storm Cell if you block correctly. It's not like I play a ton of online, but the main reason I wasn't being punished for that is because people don't know how to block it. I can't imagine online quality being so bad that you can miss that punish (been playing on PC this league, for the reference).
Like I said, it doesn't have to ever trigger to make a difference. It's all about threat, giving people reason to block standing on wakeup.
The real requirement of b2 KB is to open someone up while they are already in the corner so that you can end combo with b2. It's actually the hard part, but it's not outlandish.
If you're going by offline that's a lot different than online especially if you're facing someone on wifi or poor wifi just saying man lol. There's really no special way to block it, you block and punish but again the online alters the properties of moves, gameplay etc, etc vs offline. A lot movies he has are bad on whiff depending on what the move is.
It does though otherwise it's moot, example Scorpion, Geras or Jax or someone who can literally get multiple KB's in one combo vs. Raiden who will rarely get one and 2 of them are irrelevant in serious play. I've played a few solid Raidens and none of them beat me because of KB's like other characters using that to bail them out of trouble or get equal damage with just a few hits. The fact of conditioning people to make them think twice is good for Raiden's mind games of 50/50's but again as far as back to back B2 against a solid player, not going to happen. He can threaten them all he wants, if the requirement is ridiculous or just dumb it negates the point of the KB. What you're talking about is more Raiden's 50/50 options.
That is only one way to use the move but again talking KB nobody is going to fall for that twice in a row unless they're a nooby or don't know how to use wake ups.
That's another issue, but not just that but it has to be an amplified Superman no less from max distance, this one will hit even more rare than the B2 one. They should have given him it where you have to connect it twice in a combo, and it activates the second time you connect it in a combo. His zoning isn't the best but if he has the lead and depending who he's playing against(a non teleporter) he can outzone you with patience and being smart, I've done it to Sonya's and Kabal's, neither are remotely close to bad but if he has the lead they have to come to him. But yeah, pretty sure NRS said "ok how can we fuck Raiden hard in this game compared to the previous two where he was actually viable" He is a struggle to win with, I got Demi God last season, almost there this season I use Raiden, Jade 95% of the time and LK Wu Shi the rest. I can use Sonya but I use her the least. MK X, MK 9, MK vs DCU Raiden was soooooo much better compared to this game overall he's shit sadly compared to a lot of characters.
But I'm not. Like I've said in my previous post, I'm going by what I've played in this season's league on PC. And from my experience it takes something ridiculous like a full second freeze (I've had one game with such idiotic lag, but only once) in order to miss that punish. Like I've said, I was never spared of it provided opponent knew it's not safe at all.
Ducking third hit instead of blocking everything isn't really what I call "not a special way to block", but eh, that's what I mean.
Yup, because b2 (and its KB) is exactly that, his mixup options. What KB does is skewing risk/reward a bit in Raiden's favour in a scenario when you land b2 through whatever reason, once per match, which can help you with conditioning. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like 121 KB does basically nothing but saves a meter, or like KBs of characters you've mentioned are some extra damage off usual starters (seems like type of KBs you personally prefer). I'm not sure what are we even arguing about.
There are so many areas in which Raiden is inferior to those you've mentioned, yet you're saying that they win because of KBs.
Hit confirm strings into db4, cancel into DF2 if blocked, then start the staggers. Mix up with b14, b1 db4, b12 df2. You want to have buff active as much as possible and be able to tell when it's gone so you can activate after a combo, a lot of enders give you enough time to activate it. On lifelead you can turtle with your buff on and trade with projectiles, then once they try to get in hit them with a F4 to the face into df2, if they whiff something and you know you'll punish confirm into db4.
I don't think D1 jails into any highs. The frame data is there to jail a standing 1, but I think the hitbox is too high and ends up whiffing. D3 can technically jail standing 2, but it's a 1-2 frame link. I find the easiest way to jail a high is after a F3. You can easily jail his 243 string, which is a safe string that's easy to hit confirm.
Yeah, that string is a bit of a weak link at the moment.
It is totally lit because it's comboing into db2 midscreen which is the coolest fucking move that raiden has and I love using it. lmao
