MK11 Johnny Cage General Discussion

[Wrath0594]

Can anybody tell me why Johnny’s Comedy and Tragedy string isn’t working?? Is it my inputs or the string doesn’t work at all ??

Dial-in combo system. You need to input it faster.

 

[Frank Reed]

Yeah, there isn't much of a good reason to use Brass Knuckles right now unless you're going for the Brutality. The damage increase isn't worth the recovery time.

I use it for when I’m throwing out green balls. I think the extra chip there is worth it.

 

[WhooFlungPoo]

Yeah i agree with johnnys' throw game it is essential to his mix up. Make them guess whether youre gonna nut punch cancel, overhand punch, or throw. Sometimes the overhead kick or punch, but damn they whiff when they shouldnt. Gotta be a bug. His low b3 4 string is great for spacing and getting in, even not special cancelling and hopping over for a throw or poke. Do it enough it can overwhelm players and they start questioning what youll do. In my experience. I have not even used forceball to jail. Its a high right? Id much rather take a poke from doing clothesline than wasting meter, or am i missing something? If they constantly poke insta poke cancel to nut punch. People tend to not block it once they see you charging up that unblockable fist. Then they really dont expect the throw.

Edit: take this info with a grain of salt. Im kinda stupid figuring out strategies.

 

[Hawfy]

Fix his stand 1 & forceballs wiffing along with his hurtbox issues & I'm happy.

Maybe make F4 -4 on block with 12f start up? or is that asking for too much?

 

[M.D.]

So a cassie player which pretty much 10-0s us with unpunishable low gunshot and her elbow that outranges and outprioritzes every move in the movelist, along with her d3 stuffing anything we try to do when she's even slightly minus, said Cage is top tier.

Nuff.

 

[Wrath0594]

Fix his stand 1 & forceballs wiffing along with his hurtbox issues & I'm happy.

Maybe make F4 -4 on block with 12f start up? or is that asking for too much?

It’s not, but -4 is pointless. -2 is functionally the same as -7. Safe is safe. If you’re fighting a regular sized character, f4 may as well be + on block because you can cancel into amped forceballs.

So a cassie player which pretty much 10-0s us with unpunishable low gunshot and her elbow that outranges and outprioritzes every move in the movelist, along with her d3 stuffing anything we try to do when she's even slightly minus, said Cage is top tier.

Nuff.

The best dude on my friends list rn is a Cassie main. I don’t play JC into it till hitbox fix, and Skarlet is rough because I can’t get to him with f2 if he backdash cancels into gunshot. She’s a solid character, for sure. Definitely top tier or right below. Her frame data and staggers are gross. F2 1+4 is + on block, and b2,1 has a 3rd (high) hit and safe special cancels. You block and think it’s your turn, she back walks and blows you up. Takes a lot of practice to deal with gunshots. I still can’t stop duck blocking them. I’ll upload some of these in a bit.

 

[JohnyCagedAnimal]

No. League’s stronger than Shao or Kotal.

I disagree. Shao Khan can at least find his way and and his moves Don't whiff nearly as much. His specials are not meaningless like Johny's and he can beat alot opponents at the zoning game because they can't trade. Nice try but try again

 

[Wrath0594]

I disagree. Shao Khan can at least find his way and and his moves Don't whiff nearly as much. His specials are not meaningless like Johny's and he can beat alot opponents at the zoning game because they can't trade. Nice try but try again

You clearly don’t understand Shao or Johnny. Can’t even bring myself to explain how backwards these statements are. Tried to help most of the people here, but I think you should just find a new character. Or play Shao, and the rest of the cast for a while and get back to us. I’ll wait.

 

[ReoSpeedwagon]

I disagree. Shao Khan can at least find his way and and his moves Don't whiff nearly as much. His specials are not meaningless like Johny's and he can beat alot opponents at the zoning game because they can't trade. Nice try but try again

Johnny does alright. Just last night I was playing online and heard he landed a seven-figure part in the Lord of Rings prequel series

 

[MrMaxAwesome]

Just had a nice back and forth set with a Thin Ice Sub-Zero player, feels good to make it work.

Johnny is neato, just flawed.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Johnny is by no means trash, but as has been said he needs tweaks.

The crushing blows. Lol. He basically misses out on an entire mechanic of the game. Play Sub-Zero thin ice for a day just for fun. You’ll notice pretty quickly that you’ll hit the amp slide KB basically every match, incredibly easy to set up. Just amplifying any stray slide or amplifying it at the end of a combo TWICE sets it up. The 124 KB can be used literally ANY time you do a two hit string into freeze..... so basically any time you combo someone. F24 will get triggered often too.

Hit people with a 30% slide then come play Johnny and tell me it doesn’t make you depressed. Not to shit on Johnny too much, point is he basically misses out on an entire part of the game.

 

[ShadyHeart]

Dude wtf is this stunt double shit? Is this a joke? What am I supposed to get out of using this?

 

[Chad Ironchest]

Alright dudes I got my games uploaded. I couldn't get many quality matches last night, but this should be decent. I'd love to get some advice on my Cage. Only thing I need to mention is that I realize my mechanics aren't the best so i'm not doing optimal stuff and i'll get obvious input errors here and there. Other than that feel free to bring up anything. I'll try and respond.

 

[ReoSpeedwagon]

@Chad Ironchest nice, you play pretty patient. In the future if a liu is spamming those kicks for the plus frames there's a gap before the last one you can punish with stuff like 12np, 244np, or mime time reversal.

 

[Saltea Mike]

@Chad Ironchest nice, you play pretty patient. In the future if a liu is spamming those kicks for the plus frames there's a gap before the last one you can punish with stuff like 12np, 244np, or mime time reversal.

Good advice.

I usually go for 12np, for some reason 244 sometimes doesn't cancel into np.

Beware if he starts cancelling the 3rd kick into parry - this shit hurts. Gotta play patient.

 

[WhooFlungPoo]

Alright dudes I got my games uploaded. I couldn't get many quality matches last night, but this should be decent. I'd love to get some advice on my Cage. Only thing I need to mention is that I realize my mechanics aren't the best so i'm not doing optimal stuff and i'll get obvious input errors here and there. Other than that feel free to bring up anything. I'll try and respond.

Good games, you definitely recognize johnnys' throw game. Good footsies, and spacing. Only suggestion, to make you more dangerous is special cancels from pokes, and utilize his clothesline for mind games. Its underrated imo. Instead of just d4, immediately follow up d4, d1, or d2 with a nut punch, clothesline, cross over, mime or throw. Johnny is extremely dangerous up close with his tools. With no real overhead his style has to be creative to keep the guesses wrong. Played a pretty damn good liu yesterday where i just could not open him up. Felt like our defenses were just on point. Ill try to upload later. Lui is a really fun match up.

Edit: f2 44 has funny timing but you actually have two opportunities to practice consistent hits. If you dial it in quickly which makes it hard to hit confirm itll come out naturally. His other special can also be cancelled into f4om the same string for mix ups. However if you delay till about 3/4ths through the string and input the command itll also come out. Anytime before or after and it seems to not register. The timing is still tight, but the delay allows hit confirmation if you need to be safe and throw flippy, overhand, etc..

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[Chad Ironchest]

Thanks for the words guys. I actually had no idea liu had a gap in that string that is fully punishable with 12. I definitely can say my hitconfirming isn't the best. I'll think to myself "I'm gonna do b34 into forceballs" Then they just eat b34 and I don't capitalize with nutpunch.

As for caged rage I guess my mindset after I tried it in the set was to say fuck it as I got kinda blown up. Generally speaking it isn't a huge part of my gameplan but it's a gimmick I'll throw out to see how my opponent reacts. Anyways I got some more games on the way, including a few games against that kotal player I mentioned a bit ago

 

[Vastly]

Yea I just like Johnny's style but he is definitely flawed in this game. Frankly I also think he say cheese set is terrible and I don't even know why it's there. I still have decided to main him though because he reminds me of MK9 in a few ways which is my favorite MK of all time. I think Johnny either needs some mix-ups, a speed boost at times, and/or some faster frames to be able to make up for his rather sluggish speed and style. I also think things like causing his enhanced force projectile to maybe stun then for a bit longer could help him get in closer on characters that are good at keeping him away. These are just some of many ideas but I'd like to know what you all think can be done to improve the character in a fair and balanced way. I played some sets vs Jax, my friend, Dillon R, and we are obviously still figuring some things out but it was a good night. It was pretty even throughout the night but this is one set of three. If you have any thoughts please feel free to share them, I am always trying to improve.

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[Deleted member 35141]

The lack of mids really sucks, going through the list of characters he may have the slowest mid in the game or it doesn't lead into a small mix-up of some kind.

 

[Vastly]

The lack of mids really sucks, going through the list of characters he may have the slowest mid in the game or it doesn't lead into a small mix-up of some kind.

I completely agree, which is especially bad for a rush-down character.

 

[Name v.5.0]

I completely agree, which is especially bad for a rush-down character.

But hey, Scorpion gets like a 12 frame forward advancing mid that's like -1 on block. His forward 3 is what Johnny's F4 should be.

 

[Vastly]

But hey, Scorpion gets like a 12 frame forward advancing mid that's like -1 on block. His forward 3 is what Johnny's F4 should be.

Yea I could get behind that. it would give his character a similar status that he had in MK9 with the knee. Wasn't that 7 frames?

 

[Name v.5.0]

Yea I could get behind that. it would give his character a similar status that he had in MK9 with the knee. Wasn't that 7 frames?

I was going to say 9, but it mighta been. It's been years, I just dont remember.

 

[Deleted member 35141]

So here the list of characters with faster mids or lead to mix ups
Raiden, jaqui, noob, Jax, Sonya, Cassie, Liu, scorpion, sub, Kabal, kitana, lao, Jade, skarlet, erron, geras, kollecter, centrion, Shao, baraka

Wow this is sad as a pressure character supposedly

 

[Wrath0594]

So here the list of characters with faster mids or lead to mix ups
Raiden, jaqui, noob, Jax, Sonya, Cassie, Liu, scorpion, sub, Kabal, kitana, lao, Jade, skarlet, erron, geras, kollecter, centrion, Shao, baraka

Wow this is sad as a pressure character supposedly

Sick of this absurd bullshit. We need to separate the thread. We'll have one for constructive discussion, and another that can act as a whiny echo chamber for comments like this.

Should I make a list of characters who don't have a +5 restand combo ender? Or a list of characters who don't have an 8f, +17 on hit, long range d4? Maybe a list of characters without advancing normals? Or a list of characters with a projectile slower than 14 frames? A list of everyone without a safe special to cancel into? I can keep going.

#JohnnyWorstCharacter
#JohnnyBottom5
Amirite?