Why are uppercuts in MK11 so damn safe

[ApexPredator1509]

EDIT: First off all I rewrote this as I said some nonsense before here and I just need to get my timing on my poke confirms better, but there's still something that bothers me about uppercuts in MK11.

Not talking about hitboxes here. Uppercuts can potentially net you big damage with krushing blows and that's cool if it had some risk to it.

Players are mashing D2 to poke back right now because they're pretty much safe.
Some people in the comments said, I should duck them because they're high or shimmy.
some uppercuts you can't really shimmy because of the range and ducking the uppercut is a risk I feel I shouldn't be forced to make.
So I rephrase, nothing braindead nor broken here but man D2's are good.
A little 2 good but that's just an opinion of course.

 

[magandi]

duck the d2

 

[ApexPredator1509]

duck the d2

Are all uppercuts highs, okay thanks.
I still feel I shouldn't be scared when I'm plus on hit. In previous installments uppercuts we're very minus on block, it was an option but not so free to do.

Improve, adapt, overcome I guess.

 

[Marlow]

Seems like a pretty simple tactic to take to the lab and learn how to punish. I like Uppercuts being strong, but they're not safe, so it seems like a good mix of risk/reward to me.

 

[ApexPredator1509]

Seems like a pretty simple tactic to take to the lab and learn how to punish. I like Uppercuts being strong, but they're not safe, so it seems like a good mix of risk/reward to me.

Being pushed out of Down 1 range at minus 7 is pretty damn safe if U ask me.
Labbed it, all I could do was neutral duck and hope I made the right decision.
Why confirm your pokes on hit when the opponent doesn't have to respect it.

 

[DragonofDadashov24]

They are dumb for one reason. You can’t KB Sub-Zero’s Ice Ball on whiff with Liu Kang lol. It says Punish or Kounter but it doesn’t KB it.

 

[magandi]

Being pushed out of Down 1 range at minus 7 is pretty damn safe if U ask me.
Labbed it, all I could do was neutral duck and hope I made the right decision.
Why confirm your pokes on hit when the opponent doesn't have to respect it.

what do you mean? you poke with d1 and your opponent mashes d2? I'm sure everyone can jail after d1. who is your main?

 

[KGA Prosaic]

Are all uppercuts highs, okay thanks.
I still feel I shouldn't be scared when I'm plus on hit. In previous installments uppercuts we're very minus on block, it was an option but not so free to do.

Improve, adapt, overcome I guess.

Exactly, it's time to learn how to Adapt. Every D2 in the game is a high so neutral ducking into whiff punishing is a strong read. You're getting hit by d2s after you connected your d1? Look at your characters d1 frame adv. Let's say it's +8 on hit. If your 7f high is getting d2 then you need to work on your timing. Because in that situation, the high will hit them if they're crouching or not. If you want another answer. Shimmy. You read a d2 or d1 coming? Just step back and whiff punish. Whiff punishing is everything in this game. Almost every character has a krushing blow connected to whiff punishing for some serious "don't mash d2 on hit" damage

 

[CO-KANO]

I follow a d2,kb with a d2....im sure it annoys the hell out of people to get that much damage so cheaply

 

[Rude]

Jail better. Stop crying. This thread sucks.

 

[ApexPredator1509]

Jail better. Stop crying. This thread sucks.

Thanks for the kind words.
A lot of better players miss time it online, pretty sure you do too sometimes.
If your character doesn't have a good mid you'll eat a lot of D2, hell some uppercuts lowprofile mids.
Right now you see a D2 KB every match and the only risk is when it whiffs, that's it. To me it's a little to good, maybe you think it's fine and that's okay.
Your attitude sucks

 

[ApexPredator1509]

Exactly, it's time to learn how to Adapt. Every D2 in the game is a high so neutral ducking into whiff punishing is a strong read. You're getting hit by d2s after you connected your d1? Look at your characters d1 frame adv. Let's say it's +8 on hit. If your 7f high is getting d2 then you need to work on your timing. Because in that situation, the high will hit them if they're crouching or not. If you want another answer. Shimmy. You read a d2 or d1 coming? Just step back and whiff punish. Whiff punishing is everything in this game. Almost every character has a krushing blow connected to whiff punishing for some serious "don't mash d2 on hit" damage

Thanks for the advice, some uppercuts are hard to shimmy though. Applying this to my main. For Kano's 22 string I have like 4 frames to spare after a d1 on hit. If I mess up I'm gonna get d2'd and this is happening a lot right now lol.

 

[ApexPredator1509]

what do you mean? you poke with d1 and your opponent mashes d2? I'm sure everyone can jail after d1. who is your main?

It's me just missing the timing probably lol.
I'm eating so many uppercuts using kano. I like grapplers (hence why I use kano) and D2 mashers are a nightmare to me.

 

[M.D.]

• sees "jail better" advice
• goes to jail better with cage
• gets d2 spammed just the same because trash frame data

*LOL

 

[ApexPredator1509]

• sees "jail better" advice
• goes to jail better with cage
• gets d2 spammed just the same because trash frame data

*LOL

Yeah sometimes I wanna blame the framedata but I'm probably just trash lol

 

[Rude]

Thanks for the kind words.
A lot of better players miss time it online, pretty sure you do too sometimes.
If your character doesn't have a good mid you'll eat a lot of D2, hell some uppercuts lowprofile mids.
Right now you see a D2 KB every match and the only risk is when it whiffs, that's it. To me it's a little to good, maybe you think it's fine and that's okay.
Your attitude sucks

Of course I miss it. But you know what I don't do when that happens? Cry on TYM and demand the game change to compensate my fuck ups

Now who has the bad attitude?

 

[ApexPredator1509]

Of course I miss it. But you know what I don't do when that happens? Cry on TYM and demand the game change to compensate my fuck ups

Now who has the bad attitude?

There wasn't any crying. If it did look like that than I should have picked my words better.
I said it didn't make sense to me and asked for an explanation if someone could provide.
Instead you just went for the generic Hurr Durr You Suck/ Git Gud comment. Now I'm done with this conversation.

 

[Rude]

There wasn't any crying. If it did look like that than I should have picked my words better.
I said it didn't make sense to me and asked for an explanation if someone could provide.
Instead you just went for the generic Hurr Durr You Suck/ Git Gud comment. Now I'm done with this conversation.

It may be generic but it's definitely applicable

 

[Reauxbot]

Exactly, it's time to learn how to Adapt. Every D2 in the game is a high so neutral ducking into whiff punishing is a strong read. You're getting hit by d2s after you connected your d1? Look at your characters d1 frame adv. Let's say it's +8 on hit. If your 7f high is getting d2 then you need to work on your timing. Because in that situation, the high will hit them if they're crouching or not. If you want another answer. Shimmy. You read a d2 or d1 coming? Just step back and whiff punish. Whiff punishing is everything in this game. Almost every character has a krushing blow connected to whiff punishing for some serious "don't mash d2 on hit" damage

Wait so if they get hit by a d1, and the I push a high starter string...
They’ll actually get hit by the high starter?
Every game for me has been a d1 contest with the opposition.
Sorry for the noob question, I’m more of a DBFZ and marvel player where all strings are mid or low.
The d1s in this game are agitating

 

[MixMeUpDaddy]

Being pushed out of Down 1 range at minus 7 is pretty damn safe if U ask me.
Labbed it, all I could do was neutral duck and hope I made the right decision.
Why confirm your pokes on hit when the opponent doesn't have to respect it.

Agreed, they're hella safe.

 

[magandi]

• sees "jail better" advice
• goes to jail better with cage
• gets d2 spammed just the same because trash frame data

*LOL

well sucks to be you. erron black can jail with a mid even after d4 forward dash.

 

[ApexPredator1509]

well sucks to be you. erron black can jail with a mid even after d4 forward dash.

Damn didn't know that

 

[KGA Prosaic]

Wait so if they get hit by a d1, and the I push a high starter string...
They’ll actually get hit by the high starter?
Every game for me has been a d1 contest with the opposition.
Sorry for the noob question, I’m more of a DBFZ and marvel player where all strings are mid or low.
The d1s in this game are agitating

No need to apologize for wanting to learn. Yes, in this game (NRS games in general) hit advantage means something completely different than anime fighters. Instead of linking into a combo, it means the next hit can't be neutral ducked, dashed out of, armor out of, ECT. They have to block.

 

[Reauxbot]

So

No need to apologize for wanting to learn. Yes, in this game (NRS games in general) hit advantage means something completely different than anime fighters. Instead of linking into a combo, it means the next hit can't be neutral ducked, dashed out of, armor out of, ECT. They have to block.

the timing must be tight. I’ve been trying this online. Although my d1 HITS, I still get poked out

 

[KGA Prosaic]

Should be a setting in the options if you need to train for online ping. Take it to the lab and test it out