It would cost $6,440 to unlock all content in MK11. This is not OK.

[Pizza]

"So instead of playing MK: Deception (like, fighting or training) I should be grinding the Konquest mode to unlock characters?"

Yes.

Although to be clear, I'm definitely not against a higher Time Krystal drop rate attached to kasual/ranked play. I haven't played any 1v1 yet so I don't know whether the current rate feels reasonable or not. Maybe it needs a bump. Maybe it needs a massive bump. But this is fundamentally different from what OP wrote about. There is no direct relation between how many Time Krystals you get in game, and how much real $$ skins cost to unlock.

Not even close. In Deception you only had to know the times and locations of characters/chests, you could even "meditate" to make time fly faster. And there only two or three unlockables in the Krypt, and they weren't too expensive either. The game throws koins at your face all the time. I have it fresh in my mind because I replayed it recently.

srsly

 

[Eji1700]

It does make you wonder though if someone on the NRS team actually did the math as well, both in hours of grind or cash payments. Is this something NRS knew and just decided to go with it, or did they just kind of come up with the costs and rewards at random, and didn't really realize what they were actually doing?

Someone absolutely did. Marketing uses models to determine what price points to set things at. NRS/WB are basically betting that they're in EA territory now where their games will sell anyways and the whales will offset the loss of sales from people disgusted by this, and models absolutely exist for that.

You don't just wing your pricing model, it's all ratios and what not designed to emulate the feeling you get when gambling.

 

[Marlow]

I guess thank goodness I'm fine with default skins and I'm not a completionest.

 

[Pizza]

MUST PAY TRIBUTE

 

[John Grizzly]

All I'm saying is, I don't need NRS, I don't need WB and I don't need MK. I really, truly, love MK, but I don't need it. They need me. And I do accept apologies, but if a real big one doesn't come in the way of fixing all this shit, they will never get another penny from me.

The problem in today's world of gaming is this, though - for every 50 people like you, there's 1 shitbird who will spend THOUSANDS on microtransactions. There's enough of these people that render players like you and I completely obsolete. This is why it's so important to support games like God of War that give you a COMPLETE experience for that money you spend, because it's rare to see in this day and age.

I don't envy Tyler and the NRS crew whatsoever today. They really need to come through big time to put out this fire. Having said that....even if they don't change things to our liking, there's enough people that will pay whatever it costs to get the stuff they want.

All I want is my trust restored in NRS. Telling us there's no loot boxes and then having them literally comprising the entirety of the Krypt was as backhanded as it gets.

 

[portent]

Someone absolutely did. Marketing uses models to determine what price points to set things at. NRS/WB are basically betting that they're in EA territory now where their games will sell anyways and the whales will offset the loss of sales from people disgusted by this, and models absolutely exist for that.

You don't just wing your pricing model, it's all ratios and what not designed to emulate the feeling you get when gambling.

Truth right here.

 

[pure.Wasted]

Konquest mode was fun

This is entirely subjective. I know people who did not find it fun at all. They still had to grind it if they wanted to unlock characters. What now?

Towers of Time are anything but fun.

This is entirely subjective. I find them fun. What now?

Look, I'm not telling you you're wrong for not enjoying Towers of Time. But then that should be your complaint -- how do we make Towers of Time more fun for you? If you think they're fundamentally not fun, maybe you should make the argument that playing ranked/kasual matches should intermittently reward cosmetics, or more Time Krystals. Both are reasonable arguments and I'm not opposed to either one. But none of that has anything (directly) to do with $$ and direct purchase.

 

[portent]

All I want is my trust restored in NRS. Telling us there's no loot boxes and then having them literally comprising the entirety of the Krypt was as backhanded as it gets.

I think this is the biggest issue here. In the past, "trust" issues were based on Boon's trolling, and we all knew it was in good fun because you simply can't take his trolling seriously.

This is far beyond, and far worse than that. This is a severe breach of trust. Hardcore fans have been flat out lied to, and now monetarily taken advantage of. NRS needs to do something to earn back the trust of these people, and likely more than just "here's a few konsumables on us".

 

[XBlades]

I mean it could be worse guys, buy the game and just unlock frost and thats it! nothing to look forward to.

 

[Pizza]

WB suit detected!

 

[John Grizzly]

This is entirely subjective. I know people who did not find it fun at all. They still had to grind it if they wanted to unlock characters. What now?



This is entirely subjective. I find them fun. What now?

You're comparing a few hours of someone's time to THOUSANDS.

I really don't understand how or why you're so vehemently defending this shit, man. You say "what now?" as if you just made some great point that can't be argued. Even if you hated Konquest mode, it was super short by today's standards. It's not the same whatsoever.

 

[Inzzane_79]

It’s totally ridiculous!

I have 27 hours playtime already (have the game since last Thursday and on vacation) and I have 264 gear collected. Spend most of the time in towers and the krypt.....

That grind is crazy, I feel burned out a bit already lol

 

[Syd Barrett Lives]

This is absolutely insane. Honestly if I knew it was gonna be this bad I wouldn't have even bought it on principle alone.

 

[portent]

WB suit detected!

Let's see what today's Kast brings. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a big change on the horizon due to the very real possibility of a class action law-suit.

There is precedent here for saying that players who paid full price are not given full access to their game, which affects everyone who paid for the game.

Likewise, since you need to use purchasable (or incredibly slowly gained) in-game currency in order to unlock RNG loot boxes, there is also precedent in Belgium and what has been touched upon in the USA that these are essentially in-game real life gambling and possibly need to be banned due to the potential addictive nature of them.

 

[Hitoshura]

Thanks to reddit user AccomplishedPoet8 for doing the quick mafs on all this.

NRS needs to really come through on the Kast today to make things right. A complete overhaul of how loot works in the game would be a good start.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/bguuzb

My face after realizing what I would need to do in order to obtain all of Noob Saibot's skins:

 

[R.E.D.]

 

[pure.Wasted]

You're comparing a few hours of someone's time to THOUSANDS.

I really don't understand how or why you're so vehemently defending this shit, man. You say "what now?" as if you just made some great point that can't be argued. Even if you hated Konquest mode, it was super short by today's standards. It's not the same whatsoever.

It wasn't super short if you didn't know where the fuck to look for the skins, dude. Not everybody looked up online guides to beat the game for them, FFS. Some people actually played the game the way it was meant to be played. I really don't understand why something that simple needs to be explained.

You're really not reading my posts carefully at all. I'm not defending "this shit," I'm saying your argument is shit. It is possible to both want Towers of Time to be more reasonable, and think that the argument you made in the OP is nonsensical, at the same time. Which is basically my position and has been from my very first post in this thread. I don't think NRS's policies in MK11 are fundamentally predatory in a way that is insulting to gamers. I think the way those policies are EXECUTED and IMPLEMENTED are predatory and insulting. But those are two very different arguments. You're conflating them as one and the same. I disagree.

 

[Pizza]

Likewise, since you need to use purchasable (or incredibly slowly gained) in-game currency in order to unlock RNG loot boxes, there is also precedent in Belgium and what has been touched upon in the USA that these are essentially in-game real life gambling and possibly need to be banned due to the potential addictive nature of them.

I think it was bad enough to have the Slot Machine of the Dead in MKX's Krypt. Just to unlock artwork... that I like to look and it's good that they included, but how can I call it "content" when it's locked inside a slot machine? I still haven't unlocked everything in the Krypt because I refuse to spend my time betting at some machine.

I hoped that they took note of this. But it seems the opposite happened, they turned the Krypt into a Kasino full of slot machines. Roll the dice! maybe you'll get a shader or an augmentation.

They should add neon light, some dancing waters and limos; and rename it LAS VERGAS KASINO, welcome everyone!

 

[portent]

To follow up, and put into perspective, the potential legal ramifications of the gambling aspect of this:

Online sports betting is only legal in 5 states in the USA. Nevada, New Jersey, Deleware, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

A few other states are considering it, but that's where it ends.

Now, take into account that the Loot Boxes are RNG based, and that you are offering in-game currency as an item that you can purchase with real world money, and that you make this currency, and what it's used for (gambling) available to Minors, there is a HUGE problem. Nevermind the fact that they're not only making it available to Minors, but also making it available to everyone who lives in a state where online gambling is illegal.

 

[MkPeezy]

Why do I have to grind an absurd amount for not even a different skin but rather just a color palette swap? Instead of unlocking a skin and getting all the colors each color is a separate grind. Like its so bad its comical, a big FU pay me kinda thing to the consumer.

 

[focusflute]

To follow up, and put into perspective, the potential legal ramifications of the gambling aspect of this

Now, take into account that the Loot Boxes are RNG based, and that you are offering in-game currency as an item that you can purchase with real world money, and that you make this currency, and what it's used for (gambling) available to Minors, there is a HUGE problem. Nevermind the fact that they're not only making it available to Minors, but also making it available to everyone who lives in a state where online gambling is illegal.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^

 

[John Grizzly]

It wasn't super short if you didn't know where the fuck to look for the skins, dude. Not everybody looked up online guides to beat the game for them, FFS. Some people actually played the game the way it was meant to be played. I really don't understand why something that simple needs to be explained.

You're really not reading my posts carefully at all. I'm not defending "this shit," I'm saying your argument is shit. It is possible to both want Towers of Time to be more reasonable, and think that the argument you made in the OP is nonsensical, at the same time. Which is basically my position and has been from my very first post in this thread. I don't think NRS's policies in MK11 are fundamentally predatory in a way that is insulting to gamers. I think the way those policies are EXECUTED and IMPLEMENTED are predatory and insulting. But those are two very different arguments. You're conflating them as one and the same. I disagree.

I'm mostly just annoyed that NRS explicitly said "there are no loot boxes" and that's all we have in the Krypt.

My point begins and ends here - I just want a fun and reasonable way to unlock the content in the game, namely Fatalities and Brutalities. I had them all after a few days in MKX and I never thought to myself "boy, I really miss running around the Krypt looking for shit." Still, that Krypt was fun to me because I could see my progression.

Anyway, I'm going into the Kast with an open mind. I hope we are both happy by the time it's over.

 

[Marlow]

To follow up, and put into perspective, the potential legal ramifications of the gambling aspect of this:

Online sports betting is only legal in 5 states in the USA. Nevada, New Jersey, Deleware, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

A few other states are considering it, but that's where it ends.

Now, take into account that the Loot Boxes are RNG based, and that you are offering in-game currency as an item that you can purchase with real world money, and that you make this currency, and what it's used for (gambling) available to Minors, there is a HUGE problem. Nevermind the fact that they're not only making it available to Minors, but also making it available to everyone who lives in a state where online gambling is illegal.

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think a Loot Box would fit the legal definition of online gambling, so it's highly unlikely to be a legal issue.

Edit: I guess FTC is looking into, although I still think the legal risk for NRS in this case is pretty low. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/28/us-consumer-watchdog-investigate-video-game-loot-boxes/?utm_term=.899c4e79f67f

 

[STORMS]

So... it's day 2.
You have the OPTION to pay or you play to unlock.
You do not have to spend another dime on the game.

The real question is, would people be MORE upset if they couldn't pay to get items?

 

[Kindred]

But like what did you guys do in old MK games and their Krypt? You grinded back then too, whats different today?
Just play matches and you get coins and use it in the krypt.
Them capitalizing on impatient people is inevitable. I dont necessarily agree with it but it does bother me that much, at least not to the extent of calculating how much it would cost to unlock everything lol