Didn't they say this was a roster decided by fans?

[B. Shazzy]

the

looks good to me?...

only character that looks good is Erron

 

[Blizer]

Well they shouldn't. The series has survived without them before.

MK2 - No Sonya, no Kano.

MK3 - No Scorpion, no Raiden, no Kitana, no Mileena, no Johnny Cage

UMK3 - No Raiden, no Johnny Cage

MKT - Everybody is here game

MK4 - No Kano, no Kitana, no Mileena, No Kung Lao

MK4G - Has pretty much all of the classics minus Kano

MKDA - No Liu Kang, no Mileena

MKD - No Kitana, no Johnny, no Sonya, no Kano, no Kung Lao

MKA - Everybody is here

So its not like these characters are known to be in every single game, idk why they need to be nowadays.

Not to be rude or anything

But ya left out Jax

 

[pure.Wasted]

Luckily, I can do basic math. So yes, I fully understand that 22 is bigger than 17. As I said though, having a "returning character from any game in the series" number count to "for the fans" is a bit lacking of logic and a stretch.

No, it's not lacking in logic, in fact it is the only interpretation of Boon's "promise" that makes any sense whatsoever.

What is lacking in logic is the silly idea that there is some hypothetical ideal roster that would make all the fans happy. I've asked you to list a roster that you think is foolproof, Jhonnykiller45 asked you, let's put your theory to the test. Let's see this "roster for the fans" that would make all the fans happy. You seem to think it's so easy to pick the right characters, so I'm not sure why you're hesitating.

 

[xenogorgeous]

It is 100% decided by NRS. Skarlet and Jacqui were falsely said to be in high demand just to keep the pretense, when we all know they're in because NRS wants them to be. It's all just sweet talk. Don't ever pay attention to what devs say, just what they show.

exactly, loved the hypocrisy when Boon said : "oh, Jacqui is a fan favorite " .... really ? everyone reaction when he said that shit :

 

[Flawless2]

I reckon using some iconic mileena's moves on Kitana is a big mistake. They should've just left her out this time. This is adding salt to the wound for mileena's fans.

A little bit of salt, yeah. I was choked jade wasnt in the last one, and disliked the mournful variation the same. Id say mileena, kit and jade are franchise characters. Scorp, sub and reptile in the same category. You put one, you need the others(i know about mk3, umk3 is arguably the dlc that corrected it ). You put any one of the female ninjas in, the other 2 are necessity imo. Those homage moves without any real amazing storyline behind how they came to be i think are, either lazy attempts to please fans, or big fuck yous to loyalists.

With that said, i still have the slightest hope she can make it, given her ending in mkx. With shang and shao in game, theres still a bunch of mileena clones in flesh pits that youd figure one of them would take advantage of.

Thats my .009 % of hope she'll make it. Please don't demean me for my comment here people..... I'm still in mourning lol

 

[theotherguy]

I'm pretty sure he said for the fans, or lot's of fan favourites. Big difference to decided by the fans.

By that he meant there's going to be a lot of classics in there that may have missed a game, which is why Noob/Jade/Scarlet are in there. But there'll always be the one person who's fave character was Hotaru and will get the shits when he's not in the game.

 

[Blade4693]

Not to be rude or anything

But ya left out Jax

It's all good im actually glad you pointed that out lol

For the record I hope there are no hard feelings with anybody here who disagrees with me or thinks I am coming at them, I like to get along with everybody and I feel like we can disagree and talk about it without having some sort of beef over it lol

 

[MioTenacious]

true, i think people getting overhyped on these new characters and don't get me wrong everyone's moves look cool nowdays in the MK games even fucking Bo Rai Cho moveset was kinda decent in MKX so yeah it's not about having characters with cool looking moves it's about having the classic ones too, i mean you call the roster "fan favorite" and you have 3 ninjas in there, it's just dissapointing

 

[BS3OOO]

I don't know why the hell you're so caught up on Boon's statement. Like really. The only thing I would assume by that statement is that there would be a lot of fan favorites returning....there are a lot of fan favorites returning.

I know you claim not to care about Mileena, but I'm not mad that she's left out. I could do without Kitana, Cage, Sonya, Cassie, or Jacqui either. Kollector looks kind of bland imo, but I'll always give them a pass for inserting a new character. I'd rather them try to switch it up then keep regurgitating the same characters every game.

Edit: Even though I could care less about Mileena, I don't think it was the best move giving Kitana her sai. I knew that was going to piss some people off. Still though, suck that shit up.

 

[Pterodactyl]

I'm not saying it does have to.

But then: by your logic, what is the healthy next step for a series? You said it yourself. What is that "next best step" then? You want pure honesty?

I don't think not increasing the roster count at all is a "good step forward".

I used to think making it Legacy like Tekken was a good idea, as that would mean larger rosters but I’ve seen with these three games that each game is mechanically better and more deep than the last(as unga bunga as X was it did have a lot more going on), and then picking 11 as a stopping point in terms of gameplay design just to set them down the path of legacy roster type development could mean we’re missing out on a better version of the game in what 12 would be had it followed the current path of near complete re-invention.

I think however they could have squeezed more characters in if they didn’t spend so much time on variations. That said I think the concept of variation is the better choice. But it didn’t work in X, it failed to do its job of giving us a good sized cast with deeper characters because most variations weren’t good enough.

This game is the last chance I’m giving them to make variations work, if they do then I think it’s better. It doesn’t allow for as many characters but allows the characters that make it in to be those most flexible and intricately designed they have ever been in the series, and that’s good for the game’s longevity and building up the individual characters themeselves.

 

[SUPAHJD]

No, it's not lacking in logic, in fact it is the only interpretation of Boon's "promise" that makes any sense whatsoever.

What is lacking in logic is the silly idea that there is some hypothetical ideal roster that would make all the fans happy. I've asked you to list a roster that you think is foolproof, Jhonnykiller45 asked you, let's put your theory to the test. Let's see this "roster for the fans" that would make all the fans happy. You seem to think it's so easy to pick the right characters, so I'm not sure why you're hesitating.

It's the only interpretation that makes sense because it was a dumb ass statement to make. I ignored your request because it's hella off topic to the point and I already know what your predictable reply would be.

"Oh, well YOU left out Sonya. Congrats! You made the players ANGRY!" My roster would include 25 top spots with four newcomers as well. It sure as hell would leave out Jax and Sonya and a few select others since I wouldn't retreat out of what the Kombat Kids were put in the game for.

 

[Pterodactyl]

exactly, loved the hypocrisy when Boon said : "oh, Jacqui is a fan favorite " .... really ? everyone reaction when he said that shit :

Hey now, Jacqui is technically a fan favorite, she has fans no mater how comparatively few.

Every character has fans, and all fans matter.

 

[SUPAHJD]

I used to think making it Legacy like Tekken was a good idea, as that would mean larger rosters but I’ve seen with these three games that each game is mechanically better and more deep than the last(as unga bunga as X was it did have a lot more going on), and then picking 11 as a stopping point in terms of gameplay design just to set them down the path of legacy roster type development could mean we’re missing out on a better version of the game in what 12 would be had it followed the current path of near complete re-invention.

I think however they could have squeezed more characters in if they didn’t spend so much time on variations. That said I think the concept of variation is the better choice. But it didn’t work in X, it failed to do its job of giving us a good sized cast with deeper characters because most variations weren’t good enough.

This game is the last chance I’m giving them to make variations work, if they do then I think it’s better. It doesn’t allow for as many characters but allows the characters that make it in to be those most flexible and intricately designed they have ever been in the series, and that’s good for the game’s longevity and building up the individual characters themeselves.

But if I recall, didn't they say some of these variations wouldn't even be allowed to be used online? That, and [imho] Tekken seems to still be more mechanically advanced than Mortal Kombat is. At least that I find it to be.

I totally respect this reply but I think we have found room to agree on that: if the variation thing here fails, it's time to disregard the system. I won't lie. I heavily missed skins in Injustice 2. While I liked the "gear and variations" idea, I found them to be really limiting. I genuinely enjoy skins a bit more because they can do things like change a face up and such like that. Gear didn't seem to do that.

That's a whole other topic though.

 

[stokedAF]

PR and fanboys. Nothing to get exhausted about imo. Of course they will skirt the line in PR. Fan favorite Jacqui? That’s hilarious to me. I have no problem with her personally and I’m a huge fan of Thai kickboxing and I think they nailed her this time around. But fan favorite? Lol boon is obviously full of shit.

It’s all PR and the art of hype. You can bullshit all day long and slow drip information to entice speculation. Unlike no mans sky that built hype the same way only to massively fail the delivery in speculation hype. Mk11 will deliver in spades and nobody will care about this in a few weeks. That’s why NRS is the king of this kind of marketing, they deliver regardless.

As far as the fanboy/girl shit talk, it’s fanboy shit talk. What’s left to say lol? Ignore it or participate. Pointing out hypocrisy and irrational things means shit to a fanatic. I’m not a character fanboy, I just an mk fan in general. I speculate and get hyped with the rest. I share my disappointments but nothing has disappointed me so far. The worst thing I can say is that I wish it was more than 25 starter roster. But movie Shang and shao are in so it’s not even an issue.

 

[pure.Wasted]

I ignored your request because it's hella off topic to the point and I already know what your predictable reply would be.

"Oh, well YOU left out Sonya. Congrats! You made the players ANGRY!" My roster would include 25 top spots with four newcomers as well. It sure as hell would leave out Jax and Sonya and a few select others since I wouldn't retreat out of what the Kombat Kids were put in the game for.

...I don't even know where to start. The premise of your thread is that NRS did not live up to their promise of a "fan favorite" roster, so asking you what constitutes a successful fan favorite roster is literally the most on topic question I could have possibly asked you.

Second... you've been going on and on about how characters like Mileena and Smoke deserve to be in the game because they're so popular, and now you want to cut Sonya and Jax to make room for less popular characters like Cassie and Jacqui? Like, what? If you're going to take other things than popularity into account when deciding a roster, well then guess what, that's what NRS already did when they decided the MK11 roster. So... congratulations, NRS did exactly what you wanted them to do! It just didn't result in the roster you personally wanted.

Third... I'm not sure if you're aware, but Jax was the 9th most played character in MKX.

Kitana was 11th. Mileena was 13th. So if one of those 3 characters is getting cut based on popularity, oops, we're cutting Mileena again.

 

[trufenix]

who are "the fans" if not the people who bought way more copies of MKX than they did MK9?

 

[SUPAHJD]

...I don't even know where to start. The premise of your thread is that NRS did not live up to their promise of a "fan favorite" roster, so asking you what constitutes a successful fan favorite roster is literally the most on topic question I could have possibly asked you.

Second... you've been going on and on about how characters like Mileena and Smoke deserve to be in the game because they're so popular, and now you want to cut Sonya and Jax to make room for less popular characters like Cassie and Jacqui? Like, what? If you're going to take other things than popularity into account when deciding a roster, well then guess what, that's what NRS already did when they decided the MK11. So... NRS did exactly what you wanted them to do. It just didn't result in the roster you personally wanted? OK then.

Third... I'm not sure if you're aware, but Jax was the 9th most played character in MKX.

Kitana was 11th. Mileena was 13th. So if one of those 3 characters is getting cut based on popularity, oops, we're cutting Mileena again.

Because either way, you know exactly what you were going to do. Why would I waste the time typing out anything of value so you could go "OH BUT YOU LEFT THIS OUT".

Second: Yeah. I want to make sense while also delivering on what the fans have been demanding for awhile. You know. Nightwolf. Rain. Smoke [again, congrats]. Sindel. I don't hear too many fans going "You know who I love? Sonya. I really need Sonya." or the same idea with Jax. You cut one of them, you have another place for someone like your Rain or Mileena. But yeah, let's keep up the dumb ass comments like "it just didn't give you what you wanted".

At least do me this solid for any future poster. Stop making yourself look like a total asshole by saying "oh you just didn't get your roster". I have no connection with the shits. They could add anyone. Read my fucking title. I'm more invested in comic and horror shit.

Also, are we going to pretend that tiers and how accessible characters are don't play a huge part in who gets played more? Again, I'm looking hard for these Sonya and Jax fans you keep talking about. While there are some, if you're really going to pretend that aren't characters who are vocally more wanted through tons of other social media proof, you're crazy.

 

[xenogorgeous]

who are "the fans" if not the people who bought way more copies of MKX than they did MK9?

NRS just has an online system , that computes daily , how much a character is used on daily basis when a new MK game is released .... they had this statistic shit on MK9 , and MKX, and probably, we'll do again for MK11, so, if millions of online scrubs just pick Kollector, Geras and Cetrion, and make a huge impact in numbers by using them, bingo, NRS automatically consider them fan favorite, because the so called "fans" think these characters are cool ..... so, if Geras end being most used than Johnny Cage, in the next game, they will decide who keep up, and who sit out ....

 

[GLoRToR]

I agree with one thing.

I think MK should be adding characters not removing them from the roster, like Tekken does.

 

[trufenix]

NRS just has an online system , that computes daily , how much a character is used on daily basis when a new MK game is released .... they had this statistic shit on MK9 , and MKX, and probably, we'll do again for MK11, so, if millions of online scrubs just pick Kollector, Geras and Cetrion, and make a huge impact in numbers by using them, bingo, NRS automatically consider them fan favorite, because the so called "fans" think these characters are cool ..... so, if Geras end being most used than Johnny Cage, in the next game, they will decide who keep up, and who sit out ....

how do you graduate from online scrub to fan?

 

[xenogorgeous]

how do you graduate from online scrub to fan?

figure of speech ... that's it

 

[xWildx]

Honestly, Mileena was traded for Skarlet this time around. People say Jade, but I don’t think she had much to do with it. I always held out hope, but as soon as I heard Skarlet talking about sucking people up and spitting out their bones I knew I was in trouble.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

who are "the fans" if not the people who bought way more copies of MKX than they did MK9?

ding ding ding lmao

Honestly, Mileena was traded for Skarlet this time around. People say Jade, but I don’t think she had much to do with it. I always held out hope, but as soon as I heard Skarlet talking about sucking people up and spitting out their bones I knew I was in trouble.

Yep. Skarlet in MK11 is basically a Mileena/Tanya hybrid -- Shao Kahn's enforcer who rose from nothing, is one of the 'female ninjas' but they don't respect her, resents the Edenians for this (qv her intro with Jade). That's all Mileena stuff. Then she has Tanya's female Outworld sorcerer vibe going with the blood magic angle. She knocked them both out.

 

[xenogorgeous]

Honestly, Mileena was traded for Skarlet this time around. People say Jade, but I don’t think she had much to do with it. I always held out hope, but as soon as I heard Skarlet talking about sucking people up and spitting out their bones I knew I was in trouble.

ding ding ding lmao


Yep. Skarlet in MK11 is basically a Mileena/Tanya hybrid -- Shao Kahn's enforcer who rose from nothing, is one of the 'female ninjas' but they don't respect her, resents the Edenians for this (qv her intro with Jade). That's all Mileena stuff. Then she has Tanya's female Outworld sorcerer vibe going with the blood magic angle. She knocked them both out.

yep , you're all right here, agreed with

yep .... so, NRS plan probably will work more or less like this for future games:

Kitana always stick on the main roster; so, they will take turn on female ninjas/assassins characters : one time, Jade or Skarlet will be in the game, other time, MIleena etc

For males ninjas, Scorpion and Sub-Zero are always fixed spots guaranteed, while Reptile, Ermac, Noob and Smoke, dispute positions in the roster ... those who make in a game, will not make part in the next

Let's get used to it, that's it

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Well I don't have a problem with Mileena setting this one out. It's my Bros main and I feel for him but my fav isn't in either.
What I do have a problem with is the insult of giving Mileena's sworn enemy her moves. With Jade it made sense. This isn't a Mournful situation where it's out of missing your BFF it's down right devastating. Mileena would never give her weapons to anyone. Kitana wouldn't use hers, it's an insult to both of them, not to mention the fans. It was bad enough with Erron/Alien in MKX but not it's about dancing over the Characters grave. Erron Has a damn vile of Reptiles Acid suggesting he collected it from reptiles dead body being an assassin/bounty Hunter or reptile lost it from a battle. The Mileena thing was absolutely jacked up.

I do think it's dumb the entire family of cage/Briggs are in while others are missing but I can deal with that, just don't insult the fans on top of it.

I hope we see some of my favs in DLC like:
Smoke, Reptile, Cyrax, Nightwolf, Tremor.
because no matter what I'm hyped for MK11.