Didn't they say this was a roster decided by fans?

[bluesdealer]

I reckon using some iconic mileena's moves on Kitana is a big mistake. They should've just left her out this time. This is adding salt to the wound for mileena's fans.

 

[Blade4693]

exactly .... I think NRS has no balls to sit out these characters .... same stuff as Capcom had no courage to kill Chris Redfield in Resident Evil, and Marvel has no balls to kill Iron Man in MCU

Well they shouldn't. The series has survived without them before.

MK2 - No Sonya, no Kano.

MK3 - No Scorpion, no Raiden, no Kitana, no Mileena, no Johnny Cage

UMK3 - No Raiden, no Johnny Cage

MKT - Everybody is here game

MK4 - No Kano, no Kitana, no Mileena, No Kung Lao

MK4G - Has pretty much all of the classics minus Kano

MKDA - No Liu Kang, no Mileena

MKD - No Kitana, no Johnny, no Sonya, no Kano, no Kung Lao

MKA - Everybody is here

So its not like these characters are known to be in every single game, idk why they need to be nowadays.

 

[SUPAHJD]

Apparently you don't, because you're relying on "popular wisdom" like this as the crux of your entire argument.

Hardcore online communities on TYM and r/MK DO NOT REPRESENT the MILLIONS of MK fans worldwide. Jax was consistently one of the most popular characters in MKX throughout its entire lifespan, but come here a month ago and you'd think he was some kind of fucking leper. You're in an echo chamber surrounded by other hardcore fans and you don't even realize it. The roster isn't just made for hardcore fans, it's made for ALL fans.



Name the perfect "roster for the fans." I want to hear what 25 characters you put on it.

I want to hear it, so I can tell you which popular fan favorite characters your roster is missing, and criticize all the ways in which your roster is actually shit.

There is no such thing as a perfect roster, get that idea out of your head.

So, what makes that different from any other Mortal Kombat roster then? How do you specifically say "this one's for the fans!" when in your argument, okay so the fuck is every other Mortal Kombat game then.

Every fucking game in a series by that argument is: "for the fans" so you tell me how the hell you dictate what makes this one ESPECIALLY "for the fans"

I also need you to step the fuck down with the aggressive shit. You don't work for NRS nor do they care about you all like that, relax.

 

[Pterodactyl]

I definitely think "roster for the fans" was a big exaggeration on their part. MK9 had a roster for the fans. This one is pretty much a direct continuation of MKX with a few newbies. Although I love NRS and MK, anything they say during marketing season means nothing to me. It's all meant to get people hype for the game, and to preorder it, that includes any claims about the roster.

I personally don't think it's that great of a roster, especially given its size. I also still think the kombat kids are redundant, and should either replace their parents or get off the roster. Feels like they're getting a big second push because their reception in MKX wasn't good enough. Anyway, if you want to know what a fan roster looks like, look at the threads of people making their ideal rosters, and they always look absolutely nothing like what the final product is. As disappointing as it may be to some, NRS/WB are doing what they think will sell most, and there's not much that can be done about it.

All of those rosters suck because they’re all old shit because a majority of this fan base is stuck in a nostalgia loop that screeches whenever anything new and different is shown and something old isn’t there.

That isn’t healthy at all for the series’ growth or longevity. That’s basic for literally any series. You may get some winners and you may get some losers but new blood is life blood.

 

[RothVI]

Well, I'll agree with you as long as it supports my Smoke agenda. WE WANT FAN FAVORITES! WE WANT FAN FAVORITES!

 

[Jynks]

Such a ridiculous post.

Any IP that has a ton of characters is going to have to make choices about who is in and when they turn up. So a few fan favs were not in the game.. big frickn deal. For eveyone that is stoked on a character there are people that are not and visa versa.

The thing I hate about these threads is that they seem to be written assuming everyone agrees with them, when tons of people don't.

All these threads boil down to "I didn't get the game matched to my personal taste so I'm pissed off.. I deserve to get what I want and fuck anyone else".

This is a great roster IMO... it boggles the mind that poeple do not think it is a "fan roseter? it is like 90% fan service for christ's sake.

 

[SUPAHJD]

All of those rosters suck because they’re all old shit because a majority of this fan base is stuck in a nostalgia loop that screeches whenever anything new and different is shown and something old isn’t there.

That isn’t healthy at all for the series’ growth or longevity.

Then what is healthy?

What is the "healthy evolution" for a fighting game? I don't realistically expect every fighter to pull a Smash Bros, no. But I really do think the prime example of a good series is Tekken because they take a fuck ton of time to include a giant roster that hits. Including fan favorites and people we have never seen before.

But what do you think is a good step up then? Is a good step up literally introducing newer characters just to have them removed from the next title? Is it introducing Kombat Kids to start taking the role of older characters but never actually doing that because you fear reception?

What is it?

 

[SUPAHJD]

And see, now here comes this bull shit filled of people who actually didn't take the time to read the thread and want to come in with the next dumb ass "witty" remark that took them five seconds to think of.

"U JUS SAID DIS CUH U WANT MILENNAAAAAAAAA" Definitely not the point. I'm not attached to anyone enough in the MK roster to genuinely be let down of an inclusion.

My previous main throughout two games was Sub-Zero and Freddy, Jason, horror shit. I'm probably using Johnny Cage, Sub. Cassie was my most wanted from MKX and I got her early.

I genuinely could give a shit less about Milenna. I don't care about Rain. But I also do care about some of the statements said about the game and how NRS delivered it. I will acknowledge that including the sais on Kitana was a genuinely dumb ass move that was only going to stir the pot, as it rightfully should.

 

[xenogorgeous]

I reckon using some iconic mileena's moves on Kitana is a big mistake. They should've just left her out this time. This is adding salt to the wound for mileena's fans.

yep .... instead of a homage, works more as some kind of humiliation .... better if they had those sais moves entirely out of this game .... NRS must think that we are all a bunch of idiots that can feel satisfied and compensated of having Mileena out of MK11, just by using a couple or her moves in Kitana's moveset ? c'mon, give me a break, will ya ?

when they did that with the Mournful variation on MKX, was a dick move, and it's another one when they did again now.

 

[SUPAHJD]

yep .... instead of a homage, works more as some kind of humiliation .... better if they had those sais moves entirely out of this game .... NRS must think that we are all a bunch of idiots that can feel satisfy and compensated of having Mileena out of MK11, just by using a couple or her moves in Kitana's moveset ? c'mon, give me a break, will ya ?

when they did that with the Mournful variation on MKX, was a dick move, and it's another one when they did again now.

And that's exactly my problem.

I have no issues when it's a community making fun of the other community. I thought the Milenna jokes of not getting in were funny. I used to make fun of Rainbros. Genuinely because I have no weight in the roster selection here. If you want to make fun of me and shit roster decision that hurt me, go look at MvCI. That said: I genuinely have an issue when NRS does the shit.

Pissing off your fans isn't "funny trolling" and somehow, each time NRS cuts slack for some of their dumb shit, the fanbase goes back defending it.

 

[pure.Wasted]

So, what makes that different from any other Mortal Kombat roster then? How do you specifically say "this one's for the fans!" when in your argument, okay so the fuck is every other Mortal Kombat game then.

22/25 characters are returning from previous games. That makes it a roster for the fans, genius. Because all of these characters have established fanbases.

 

[Pterodactyl]

Then what is healthy?

What is the "healthy evolution" for a fighting game? I don't realistically expect every fighter to pull a Smash Bros, no. But I really do think the prime example of a good series is Tekken because they take a fuck ton of time to include a giant roster that hits. Including fan favorites and people we have never seen before.

But what do you think is a good step up then? Is a good step up literally introducing newer characters just to have them removed from the next title? Is it introducing Kombat Kids to start taking the role of older characters but never actually doing that because you fear reception?

What is it?

Just because you’re new doesn’t mean you should be in the next game lmao, where did you get that stupid notion.

Very few fighters even abide by that.

Even in Tekken, T7 does not have Zafina, who was introduced in T6.

SFV does not have Gouken, Oni Akuma, Decapre, C. Viper, Abel, Seth, or Hakan from Street Fighter 4.

MK itself never even really followed those rules before so why does it have to now?

They’ll be back eventually if they want them to. I mean Skarlet sat a game out after being introduced in 9.

 

[Blade4693]

IMO a healthy step in the right direction would be to let some of these characters sit out for a bit and yes, introducing some new blood to the series. At some point people are going to get tired of having a similar roster every 4 years. Do we really need Johnny, Sonya, Jax and Kano yet again? I would rather NRS give us more Erron Blacks, more Kotal Kahns or more D'vorahs than have those four be shoed into every single game from here on out. Not to say I never want to see them again but a healthy balance of old and new is a good way to go IMO.

Just look at the Pre-NRS MK games, these beloved classics sat out every now and then and people weren't rioting in the streets.

 

[SUPAHJD]

21/25 characters are returning from previous games. That makes it a roster for the fans, genius. Because all of these characters have established fanbases.

17/25 characters in MKX were returning characters.

That makes it a roster for the fans.

I wouldn't go calling people genius when the definition of "fan roster" and is taking how many inclusions from past games are in there. Especially when the most VOCAL wants weren't located in the base roster.

Like I said, by your logic: every game in a fighting game series is "for the fans". So there was no point in Boon's redundant ass comment then.

 

[SUPAHJD]

Just because you’re new doesn’t mean you should be in the next game lmao, where did you get that stupid notion.

Very few fighters even abide by that.

Even in Tekken, T7 does not have Zafina, who was introduced in T6.

SFV does not have Gouken, Oni Akuma, Decapre, C. Viper, Abel, Seth, or Hakan from Street Fighter 4.

MK itself never even really followed those rules before so why does it have to now?

They’ll be back eventually if they want them to. I mean Skarlet sat a game out after being introduced in 9.

I'm not saying it does have to.

But then: by your logic, what is the healthy next step for a series? You said it yourself. What is that "next best step" then? You want pure honesty?

I don't think not increasing the roster count at all is a "good step forward".

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

And see, now here comes this bull shit filled of people who actually didn't take the time to read the thread and want to come in with the next dumb ass "witty" remark that took them five seconds to think of.

"U JUS SAID DIS CUH U WANT MILENNAAAAAAAAA" Definitely not the point. I'm not attached to anyone enough in the MK roster to genuinely be let down of an inclusion.

My previous main throughout two games was Sub-Zero and Freddy, Jason, horror shit. I'm probably using Johnny Cage, Sub. Cassie was my most wanted from MKX and I got her early.

I genuinely could give a shit less about Milenna. I don't care about Rain. But I also do care about some of the statements said about the game and how NRS delivered it. I will acknowledge that including the sais on Kitana was a genuinely dumb ass move that was only going to stir the pot, as it rightfully should.

Ok, so, really, which 25 characters would you pick that would make MK11 a true "for the fans" roster?

 

[pure.Wasted]

17/25 characters in MKX were returning characters.

That makes it a roster for the fans.

You understand that 22 is a bigger number than 17, right? So, compared to MKX, MK11 is a roster for the fans because it has more returning fan favorites.

Everything exists in context. MKX is more "for the fans" than a hypothetical MK game where 25/25 characters are brand new to the franchise, and less "for the fans" than MK11. Seems extremely straight-forward to me.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

In my personal opinion, Mileena's death in MKX was way too important and well done to disrespect it by just retconning it out of history, converging timelines or not.

Not everyone of crucial importance can be kept around to see the end.

 

[Demon_0]

You ARE a Mileena fan. You're not fooling me.

Also, this is one of MK's best rosters, ever. So yeah, they actually do listen to us.

 

[SUPAHJD]

You understand that 22 is a bigger number than 17, right? So, compared to MKX, MK11 is a roster for the fans because it has more returning fan favorites.

Everything exists in context. MKX is more "for the fans" than a hypothetical MK game that introduces 25 brand new characters, and less "for the fans" than MK9 or MK11. This seems extremely straight forward to me.

Luckily, I can do basic math. So yes, I fully understand that 22 is bigger than 17. As I said though, having a "returning character from any game in the series" number count to "for the fans" is a bit lacking of logic and a stretch.

You're not stupid. I feel like you can clearly see why the comment is easily a comment that could have never been said and it would have been just fine.

You ARE a Mileena fan. You're not fooling me.

Also, this is one of MK's best rosters, ever. So yeah, they actually do listen to us.

There are about twenty better things you could insult me Mortal Kombat wise with from "horror guest shill" to actually wanting to see a Marvel character make it into the game at some weird fantasy point in my life.

What you can't insult me with is lumping me up to being a Mileena fan. I'm a Cage fan.

 

[SUPAHJD]

In my personal opinion, Mileena's death in MKX was way too important and well done to disrespect it by just retconning it out of history, converging timelines or not.

Not everyone of crucial importance can be kept around to see the end.

Didn't Johnny Cage die twice?

 

[iiizzzunicorn]

This is my new popcorn thread. Keep it coming guys! Keep it coming!

 

[Jynks]

For the record... if we check my Bingo Sheet for my Dream Roster (made all the way back when Injustice 2 was still running hot and MK11 hadn't even been announced). I picked 29 as that was the total count from MKx if I remember correctly. I have not set anyone red yet as we have a ton of DLC to come out still.

Anyway, I got 18 characters of my dream roster in the game, 21 if you count the fact I wanted a bunch fo brand new ones as well.

Also, the Nitara and Motaro are kinda joke inclusions as this was a dream list, not a serious list I expected to see. So getting 18 of my dream roster in the game is fucking aweosme!! For me at least.

The Auto Includes : Sub, Scorpion, Radian, Liu Kang
The Regulars : Cage, Sonya, Kitana, Mileena, Jax, Kano
Return of the New Blood : Cassie, Kotal Khan, DeVorh, Scarlet
The "Missing" : Noob, Baraka, Sindel, Fujin, Jade, Shang Tsung, Kabal
The Obscure : Ashrah, Nitara, Motaro (I do not care, make him work somehow!)
New : 5 new characters never seen before. 3/5 (Geras / Kollector / Cetrion)
(Green = Konformed / Blue = Suspected / Orange = Unknown / Red = 100% Not in Game)

 

[ol_dirty_blunt]

I want one clarification: I am not a Milenna, Reptile, Sindel, fan. I don't relatively care about any of them: I got into Mortal Kombat through horror and guests and some childhood memories of sucking at the arcade cabinets.


All that said: I genuinely get why Milenna fans are upset and unlike the hot bandwagon, I'm not going to talk shit on them. So: you're telling me. To push this weird ass narrative you had to make D'Vorrah look good [She's actually a pretty fun henchman to watch in my opinion in MKX. They really made me want to root for someone to die. Which is good for a bad guy in these games as long as her death is satisifying.] you had her kill Baraka and Milenna. Alright, sure. Fair enough. So: then, out of no where, in the game that literally allows characters to come back from the past....you leave out one of the fan favorites who you could have done so much fun stuff with from a character perspective about finding out how her demise went.

I normally don't care too much about complaining about games. I also really want to clarify that. I genuinely think this game looks awesome. I'm not hurt at all by the inclusions or lack their off. However, you're totally full of shit with the decisions made here today.

I'm not saying I would be better at developing but I genuinely want to know what fans you were listening to when you made a claim saying that "This is a fan roster!" or whatever the hell was exactly said that I see quoted quite often. Now, if this all comes to be that they never even said it: I'll genuinely accept I was wrong and take my ball and go home. I have a problem when there's a giant lie being told for attention though. Over the small course of my time on these forums, the Reddit, the discord and in the Mortal Kombat community actually engaging, I've seen outcries since before the announcement for: Sindel, Milenna [after her demise], Rain, Stryker [I don't support this either since the game has how many army lads already but alright], and Shang Tsung. That's what I mainly see. And...ya didn't get a single one in.

Instead, the weird decision you made was to do something like include three Cages, two Briggs, creative new characters [which I actually love] and include Shang Tsung in as DLC. I think it'd be unrealistic to say I wanted all these characters in but I also feel like, it could have been completely done.

That said: rant about over. I'm still genuinely in support of this game and NRS has my favorite fighting game format. However, I think the blatant weird little middle fingers included to the community and Ed Boon's "trolling" [I think he's just being a dick in some occasions] is a bit exhausting. I already had some weird thoughts on this company when you included Red Hood and Starfire as DLC when you know damn good and well since the Injustice 1 fan polls they were top requested and should have been base roster.


I genuinely hope this thread ages horribly. But I doubt it.

You do gotta remember nrs is owned by a big corporation, so ultimately what they say goes(at least thts how I understand it) I'm pretty sure there is more kharacters they wanted to put in, but coudnt because they have to release the game (for the most part) when they are told

 

[Lord Greyjoy]

It is 100% decided by NRS. Skarlet and Jacqui were falsely said to be in high demand just to keep the pretense, when we all know they're in because NRS wants them to be. It's all just sweet talk. Don't ever pay attention to what devs say, just what they show.