I don't agree on those 2 being low tier, especially 2B. She has too many options to be legit low tier. Her air nonsense and dashing stance alone change a lot with many chars on they have have to fight/approach her.
She does, but she's also very unsafe and some characters with range can option select her stance mixups.
Regarding his aGIs, they don't GI kicks last I checked so that's always an option you can do to shut them down. Many characters have annoying aGIs that steal turns as well such as Azwel and X so it's not even something unique to him. His 3B into aGI makes it a mini mix and it's good but nothing that makes him the best in the game.
There are aGIs and aGIs: Azwel's is steppable, -32 on block and only available in Spear mode. Kilik's are better, and one is on a stance for some reason.
Regardless that's not what I meant. I was talking about Kilik's synergy with normal GIs because of how safe he is, also his post GI game is extremely good.
Not sure why you think his WR buttons are best in the game. Especially with ones like X and Ivy in the game as well.
WR B has absurd range, is basically safe and leads to a full combo. Also thanks to its range you can use it after some strings with pushback that leave Kilik crouching, giving him yet another way to steal a turn.
WR K is an i12 that knocks down and is only -12 on block.
Ivy has a great aGi in WR B+K, but that's still -10 on hit. It's still very good, but even with her other WR buttons I don't think it's enough to beat Kilik's.
Xianghua's are great too, I'd say on par with Kilik's since what he has in range she makes up in frames.
his 22B is great but so are many others such as Mina, Groh, Azwel and NM which also go into Oki/plus frames/damage.
Mina's 22B is amazing for the same reasons as Kilik's, but slightly less safe. Regardless, it's Godlike.
Groh's leads to disturbing damage and oki, but it doesn't have the same properties, range or frames as Kilik's.
Azwel's leads to plus frames only if cancelled in stance, and since BoB is the only quick stance he has and BoB is quite slow, a fairly quick high crush will option select him. Besides it has terrible tracking and an unexisting hitbox.
Nightmare's arguably as good.
Idk if he has the best ring outs, what about NM, Ivy, X (still great even with the nerf), Yoshi, Asta?
Most of those have very good ring outs, but quite situational. Ivy and Astaroth are those that I can probably see up there with Kilik, but I still don't think they are as good.
He has one of the best SC i agree on that but most SCs are scary af anyway and they don't have the disadvantage of losing life when activating it.
They might not have the life loss disadvantage, but they have a time limit. Also Kilik can make up for the life loss with absurd chip damage on horizontal mids.
He's a good character I'm not disagreeing on that but best in the game is a stretch imo.
Even without agreeing with me that he's best at all of that stuff, you can't really argue that he isn't among the best. Add to that the fact that he lacks a weakness and that's a top tier for you.
ps: his lows are dumb too.
