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General/Other Should Smoke Gain Anything When/If The Reset is Removed?

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
Just so this thread doesn't get out of hand, (remember the nerf/buff thread fiasco of a few months ago) I've changed the title. The discussion is only fantasy (Smoke is unlikely to get anything changed except the reset, if the even get around to patching that.)

Let's keep it light hearted, eh?
 

DirtyBalls

Banned
Faster recover on smoke bomb would be nice, but i honestly do not know how fair it would be, because they are already good at pressuring, just not up close
Smoke bomb is not used as pressure. It's very punishable, cage's and sektor's jab can punish smoke bomb and reptile's dash. either way ur opponent can always poke first. Faster recovery on smoke bomb would really improve his close up game in my opinion.
 

xxteefxx

Kenshi Moderator
Better O_O!!??

ohh my...this thread took a different turn from all the others COMPLETELY!

Smoke need to be fixed actually. me and Check were doin a list of buffs and nerfs suggestions...ofcourse after i heard about that SHIT NRS said with MK :S....kinda like, no point to post them
though, here's a copy paste of wut i think they should do to smoke.

1-Fix: Removal of smoke bomb reset by making EX Bomb Not OTG-ing at all.
2-S*2: Increase the speed of EX bomb
3-S*: Air teleport should leave Smoke hanging slightly for more frames in the air, and not as safe as it is now.
 

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
Better O_O!!??

ohh my...this thread took a different turn from all the others COMPLETELY!

Smoke need to be fixed actually. me and Check were doin a list of buffs and nerfs suggestions...ofcourse after i heard about that SHIT NRS said with MK :S....kinda like, no point to post them
though, here's a copy paste of wut i think they should do to smoke.

1-Fix: Removal of smoke bomb reset by making EX Bomb Not OTG-ing at all.
2-S*2: Increase the speed of EX bomb
3-S*: Air teleport should leave Smoke hanging slightly for more frames in the air, and not as safe as it is now.
This
 

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
Ex bomb not otg-ing at all is a huge nerf and is not needed, especially to get rid of a reset that works 1/3 of the time at best.

If they can get the reset out while leaving the ex otg functioning the way it's supposed to that's fine

Smoke needs no other nerfs or buffs
 

xxteefxx

Kenshi Moderator
Ex bomb not otg-ing at all is a huge nerf and is not needed, especially to get rid of a reset that works 1/3 of the time at best.

If they can get the reset out while leaving the ex otg functioning the way it's supposed to that's fine

Smoke needs no other nerfs or buffs
hey man :)

ohh ya your right. if they can fix it that way, then ya! totally agree

heh funny thing....as if THEY will even consider anything :S
 

Faded Dreams V

Retired June 2012. Unretired June 2013.
Reset shouldn't be removed. Runetrap, Jax's corner bs, and anything done by Cyrax is so much worse. Smoke's reset can be very situational at times, and even when you land it, your opponent may have breaker, so there goes that. Wastes meter and requires precise timing too. I find it to be very fair.

His old air throw + OTG shenanigans.....now THAT was unfair and incredibly cheap.
 
Im not bitching, it may sound that way I am apologize. Umm, but still no. Because if you have 3 bars, that is 30% dammage. So if you do something like 3,d2,1 ex smoke bomb that is 5% chip +10%. Thats 15%, if you do it 3 times on block thats 45%. That is more than an x ray with NO risk. Not considering if you do 3,d2,1 pressure down 3 poke, 3,d2,1 ex smoke thats 20% on block.
uhmm I dont really know what ur talkin about man, but you can only do it once on a KNOCKED DOWN opponent, and most of smokes combos are around 35% and use one meter for 45%. maybe they should reduce it to 8% or somehting like the ex hellfire does but I dont see how this would be a problem at all. its actually already in the game. and most combos do above x ray damage.
 

arydious

Noob
Smoke bomb is not used as pressure. It's very punishable, cage's and sektor's jab can punish smoke bomb and reptile's dash. either way ur opponent can always poke first. Faster recovery on smoke bomb would really improve his close up game in my opinion.
I did say just not up close, its midscreen and further pressure though.
 
uhmm I dont really know what ur talkin about man, but you can only do it once on a KNOCKED DOWN opponent, and most of smokes combos are around 35% and use one meter for 45%. maybe they should reduce it to 8% or somehting like the ex hellfire does but I dont see how this would be a problem at all. its actually already in the game. and most combos do above x ray damage.
Dude you are not thinking.... scorpion can not do hellfire during a block string and it can be jumped if do randomly. Im not talking about combos, im talking about block string pressure. Making it unblockable means that smoke can cancel his block string 3,d1 into ex smoke; that is 100% you will get hit with 15% ON BLOCK; you can not jump out of this string. Do it 3 times is like doing an x ray that hits 100% of the time. If you can show me a block string that hits 100% of the time with 15% for 1 bar please do. Just because the reset is wrong, doesnt make this new "ex"move right. 2 wrongs dont make 1 right.

Apparently you have never played smoke so talking about strings with you is pointless. Nevertheless, I dont wanna argue with you since smoke is fine and he needs no buffs; this thread is pointless.
 
Dude you are not thinking.... scorpion can not do hellfire during a block string and it can be jumped if do randomly. Im not talking about combos, im talking about block string pressure. Making it unblockable means that smoke can cancel his block string 3,d1 into ex smoke; that is 100% you will get hit with 15% ON BLOCK; you can not jump out of this string. Do it 3 times is like doing an x ray that hits 100% of the time. If you can show me a block string that hits 100% of the time with 15% for 1 bar please do. Just because the reset is wrong, doesnt make this new "ex"move right. 2 wrongs dont make 1 right.

Apparently you have never played smoke so talking about strings with you is pointless. Nevertheless, I dont wanna argue with you since smoke is fine and he needs no buffs; this thread is pointless.
yo shit man, are u stoned or sumthing? im talking about knocked down opponents, it will only add 10% more damage, you CANT do it on a standing opponent. and I do know what im talking about because I play the character, u on the other hand should keep quite about the xrays and stuff, who the hell still talks about xrays at this stage of the game, and if u think nobody can do block strings that can end up in high damage using unblockable moves, you obviously dont know what ur talkin about, just look at quan chi. seriously man ive been playing smoke for a long time now almost from day 1, think twice before u open ur mouth, just read my earlier posts and you will know that YOU are the one that doesnt know what ur talking about

edit: if u think this thread is pointless, than keep the fuck out and learn to read next time
 

DirtyBalls

Banned
omg all ur opinions r fucking retarded!!! lol im joking. guess i should have added what would make smoke better if he didnt have his reset. then maybe there wont be so much shit talking in this thread
 

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
keep it civil or the thread goes to the nether realm

guess i should have added what would make smoke better if he didnt have his reset.
ahh, now here is something that can be made into a relevant discussion. I've changed the thread title to better reflect this.

Fair?

EDIT: IMO Smoke needs no buffs in exchange for the reset
 

OZombiePenguinO

Garbage, bro
Buffs are always nice, but Smoke certainly doesn't need any. Even if his reset is removed. And he DEFINITELY doesn't need a low combo starter.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
both cyrax and smoke can be competetive without them.
IMO, though, I think this game needs some super-gay-dirty-as-all-fucking-hell shit like this, though. My only issue with MK9 really is inconsistent things such as Jax's advantage on f413. But I really wouldn't want anything else changed. There's been way worse in other games (Lol...MKDC Flash round freeze glitch, anyone? One of the few games I know where you can lose a round and end up in the next round being comboed for free).