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Pterodactyl

Plus on block.
Would they body anybody free in real life, for sure..they scary... but in MK they just a level over street thug, thats how storys work they lose to show you hey these scary fighters who would for sure beat yo ass are free to these other fighters so they must be super great. .Got nothing against them character wise but they ain't therr to win fights.
It’s no use, the guy is so caught up in his fanboying he’s ignoring what the word “jobber” means and is applying his own way more negative definition to it for the sake of arguing.
 
I don’t relate to Mileena one bit, and she’s my favorite in both personality and play style. Maybe you just have bizarre criteria for playing video games.
Mostly I was just salty my characters were not in but you right, relating to a character in order to play a video video game was definitely something I said
 

Cassie Cyrus

Have you ever seen the Rain?
Whatever, I’d rather see more jobbers than ANY special forces bore.

Jobbers are just NRS and Netherrealms bad writhing skills, maybe Kittelsen can save their stories.

Ed Boon surely has a hard one for the good guys, that is why mostly they get chapters, and not the bad guys.
 
It’s no use, the guy is so caught up in his fanboying he’s ignoring what the word “jobber” means and is applying his own way more negative definition to it for the sake of arguing.
I will preface this by saying that I am playing devil's advocate in this post, and that I'm not certain about the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of jobbers. I personally don't need them, but I'm open to the idea that they work for a large portion of people.

At a certain point, doesn't the jobber status make the character useless from a story perspective? Like Baraka for example, can't say I've ever seen him win a fight. So I look at him in MK11 and I think, what's the point? I know you can't beat anyone on the roster, so why are you even here? From a narrative perspective that is. If Baraka is matched up against Johnny or Cassie, I already know they're going to fuck him up, so there's no tension.

That's why pro wrestling hasn't worked for me the past decade. It's just so obvious who Vince is trying to push, so there is no tension.

Edit: I'm happy Baraka is in the game because I he's monstrous and the fewer basic humans (looking at the five special forces characters) in the game the better. I just hope he doesn't get beat down by every character in the story.
 

Cassie Cyrus

Have you ever seen the Rain?
The goodguys alway win, because if the badguys should win, the goodguys would all be dead and burried. So the goodguys always have to win in this game :-(
 

Saint Op Omen

Savagely beating his super-ego with his id...
The goodguys alway win, because if the badguys should win, the goodguys would all be dead and burried. So the goodguys always have to win in this game :-(
ummm we where just talking about how shao won the entire original timeline right? Regardless of how they went back to "fix" it, it still happened. Bad guys also won almost everything up to this point, Shinnok got beat but it made Raiden a bad guy. So IDK what you talking bout.
 

Cassie Cyrus

Have you ever seen the Rain?
ummm we where just talking about how shao won the entire original timeline right? Regardless of how they went back to "fix" it, it still happened. Bad guys also won almost everything up to this point, Shinnok got beat but it made Raiden a bad guy. So IDK what you talking bout.
I was talking more about the jobbers and storymode fights... Goodguys always die when they lose from the bad guys, and it is always done in cutscenes.
 
If you think about it Mileena is even a bigger jobber than Reptile. She literally never beat anyone and she became empress for only 5 mins of cutscene and was betrayed by the jobber reptile and that was her reign
 

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
You need a bunch of relatable human characters for the story mode, that's why there are so many special forces characters.

You need a couple grounded characters to balance out the fact that everyone else is fucking weirdos.

In the past Liu, Sonya, and Cage were enough, but Liu fucking dead and Sonya is a crazy uptight military bitch now.
 

pure.Wasted

'ello baby, did you miss me?
If you think about it Mileena is even a bigger jobber than Reptile. She literally never beat anyone and she became empress for only 5 mins of cutscene and was betrayed by the jobber reptile and that was her reign
She almost destroyed Kotal and D'Vorah, and did destroy a bunch of their guards, making her escape in MKX. And she was imposing enough that she managed to remain Empress of Outworld. In 5 minutes of cutscene, maybe, but 5 years of story time. And she bossed Tanya and Rain around, who both beat the shit out of Cassie and looked strong fighting Kotal and D'Vorah.

Mileena was most definitely not a jobber in MKX.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
@Dankster Morgan
@Pterodactyl
@Cassie Cyrus
@Sothpaw
@Saint Op Omen

Ok I'm just gonna respond to all of you and this is gonna be my last comment in this thread.

Regarding the MKX comics, @Dankster Morgan, all of that was just about the MK9 era, when you could've seen him lose to Johnny Cage. And yes, during the story mode of MK9, Reptile did lose several matches. But that was just one specific era out of the two timelines of the overall canon. There were 7 other canon games before MK9, and of course other fights in both timelines before the events of the tournament. Obviously we can't see every single fight that every character fights. So that one era doesn't indicate anything.

As for the term "jobber", I know what it means, thank you very much. And yes, jobber is indeed a loser, accept that, like you @Pterodactyl said, he is a loser that is built for the sole purpose to make other guys to look strong. Except that it's not the case in Mortal Kombat. In WWE, jobbers are there to clearly build a wrestler to look strong, so that when they would start a new story with a legit star, they would look like a threat to them. Unlike Mortal Kombat however, WWE almost never go in the same one story for every wrestler and they have weekly shows with no breaks at all, so they need to keep building stars and making new stories on weekly basis, so they do it a lot more frequently (not always though, but still a lot more frequently ). MK on other hand, has one canon in which is build to just the games when they came every couple of years more or less (unless you wanna count the canons such as the movies canon of course), so every win and loss comes for the sake of keeping the story in that direction first and foremost. And yes they do need to build some characters as threats here and there, like they build the Kombat Kids in MKX, but they didn't built them just based on their wins and loses alone, otherwise Sub-Zero could've been considered the true hero of MKX' story, as he bead all of the Kids in his chapter of the story back to back. And speaking of Sub-Zero, he also beat Reptile in MK9's story, was Reptile needed to build Sub-Zero as a threat? No. The reason that wins and loses are made in the story is because THAT'S HOW NRS WANT THE STORY TO GO, so not every single win or lose is that significant to the strength of a character.

And back to you @Pterodactyl, I'm not a fanboy by any means. I just know what's the true difference between WWE and Mortal Kombat, which is something that you clearly don't know. Like I said twice already, you and a ton of other people see things in a very narrow view, as you clearly mix WWE with MK, while in Street Fighter we have Dan Hibiki that was clearly build from the ground up to be a jobber. Reptile wasn't, Baraka wasn't, Goro wasn't, Ferra/Torr weren't, Kano wasn't, Rain wasn't, and no other MK character was. Unless the character was built from the ground up to be a jobber regardless of the story, that char is not a jobber at all, and that's the case for all MK chars. And FTR, I know that Dan Hibiki managed to beat several thugs and once and even control the Satsui no Hado for a few seconds, but because he was built from the ground up to be a jobber, all of that didn't matter. Even Rain, who was at first a joke character, was a joke char just in terms of appearance alone (with the whole Arcade intro for UMK3), but not in terms of power, as he is a half god, unlike Dan who was a joke character in the sense of being nothing but a jobber. Obviously Reptile is not the strongest character in MK's lore, but he is not weak by any means, and he is not a jobber by any means. And @Sothpaw, yes, you can clearly see who WWE trying to push, but that's not the case with MK, as like I said, it's not about pushing characters to the same frequency as WWE do.

Oh and @Cassie Cyrus, NRS' story modes are awesome, and they already proved themselves time and time again. And it's not just the wins of the actual gameplay matches that matter to the story.

I'm done with this argument. I'm out.
 

Whippoorwill

In my hater era
You need a bunch of relatable human characters for the story mode, that's why there are so many special forces characters.

You need a couple grounded characters to balance out the fact that everyone else is fucking weirdos.

In the past Liu, Sonya, and Cage were enough, but Liu fucking dead and Sonya is a crazy uptight military bitch now.
Wouldn't you be uptight if you had the responsability of the world in your hands and were the leader of earth's main line of defense?

I don't get why people see this as a negative trait. Being serious about saving people and fighting monsters.
 
You need a bunch of relatable human characters for the story mode, that's why there are so many special forces characters.

You need a couple grounded characters to balance out the fact that everyone else is fucking weirdos.

In the past Liu, Sonya, and Cage were enough, but Liu fucking dead and Sonya is a crazy uptight military bitch now.
I do agree that it's much easier to tell a story that most people can relate to with human characters. I'd personally find a story with Havik as the main character more appealing, but that's just me and this game is made for mass appeal.

My criticism is that there are five humans who are all in the special forces and are all close family/friends. Could cut Jacqui for example, and have Lei Mei or whoever take her spot. Would be preferable to me because she's so different from the SF crew.

Not that the five special forces characters completely ruin the roster or anything, just not my personal preference.
 

Pterodactyl

Plus on block.
The goodguys alway win, because if the badguys should win, the goodguys would all be dead and burried. So the goodguys always have to win in this game :-(
Dude are you being serious right now?


Guess how many of them are still dead? Not only did they lose as hard as possible, they didn’t even get to stay dead or good, they got brought back as evil spirits with their minds altered against their will. That’s about as big an L as a hero can get.
 

Pterodactyl

Plus on block.
Death in Mortal Kombat is about as meaningful as death in Marvel comics.
It means more than your reading comprehension apparently.

The person I quoted states the good guys never lose and the bad guys never win because if they won the good guys would die.

But they did win before and the good guys died so his point was invalid. It’s not about if them dying meant they’d stay dead or not, it’s the fact that being a hero in MK does not excuse you from getting annihilated. In fact in 9 good lost all the way up until the very last second when the Elder Gods(who aren’t even “good” and are instead neutral) stepped in and took care of Shao.

They may not be entirely dead but they aren’t even good guys anymore.
 

pure.Wasted

'ello baby, did you miss me?
I just know what's the true difference between WWE and Mortal Kombat, which is something that you clearly don't know. Like I said twice already, you and a ton of other people see things in a very narrow view, as you clearly mix WWE with MK, while in Street Fighter we have Dan Hibiki that was clearly build from the ground up to be a jobber. Reptile wasn't, Baraka wasn't, Goro wasn't, Ferra/Torr weren't, Kano wasn't, Rain wasn't, and no other MK character was. Unless the character was built from the ground up to be a jobber regardless of the story, that char is not a jobber at all, and that's the case for all MK chars. And FTR, I know that Dan Hibiki managed to beat several thugs and once and even control the Satsui no Hado for a few seconds, but because he was built from the ground up to be a jobber, all of that didn't matter. Even Rain, who was at first a joke character, was a joke char just in terms of appearance alone (with the whole Arcade intro for UMK3), but not in terms of power, as he is a half god, unlike Dan who was a joke character in the sense of being nothing but a jobber. Obviously Reptile is not the strongest character in MK's lore, but he is not weak by any means, and he is not a jobber by any means. And @Sothpaw, yes, you can clearly see who WWE trying to push, but that's not the case with MK, as like I said, it's not about pushing characters to the same frequency as WWE do.
"Job (n) A planned, voluntary loss." [source]

Did Reptile appear to lose significantly more fights than he won in MKX? Yes.

Were those losses planned by the writers? Yes.

Therefore he was a jobber in MKX. That simple.

If a character consistently jobs, the reputation sticks beyond just one game (e.g. Reptile, Baraka) and we have doubts whether they'll ever shake it. If a character occasionally jobs, their reputation is not tainted and we just say they were a jobber in that one game (e.g. Kitana, Kung Lao, Sindel in MKX).
 

Saint Op Omen

Savagely beating his super-ego with his id...
"Job (n) A planned, voluntary loss." [source]

Did Reptile appear to lose significantly more fights than he won in MKX? Yes.

Were those losses planned by the writers? Yes.

Therefore he was a jobber in MKX. That simple.

If a character consistently jobs, the reputation sticks beyond just one game (e.g. Reptile, Baraka) and we have doubts whether they'll ever shake it. If a character occasionally jobs, their reputation is not tainted and we just say they were a jobber in that one game (e.g. Kitana, Kung Lao, Sindel in MKX).
Reptile did get to be all possessed or whatever by Onaga & body some fools...I mean it wasn't really Reptile but he was used to further a story in a way that wasn't just losing. . so I guess there's that. .
 

Zev

Cages_Shades from MKO
lol

It's obviously Kotal - it's an old build, so presumably they didn't have all the stances sorted out yet.
But then why does he have Liu Kang's arm bracers, shoes and hair? . . . along with the same stance as Liu? I dunno seems weird even from an early build stand point.

Also if it is a Liu skin then that means the menu picture could still be Rain. . .
 
Someone really thinks that picture of Kotal is Liu....even though he looks exactly like Kotal? Ok, lol.

Also i have no problem with Jax being in this game over the likes of Sindel. Jax has tons of personality and is an OG. Sindel is an awful character.
 

Professor Oak

Are you a boy or girl?
If you think that picture isnt Liu Kang AT THE VERY LEAST as far as base model goes, youre an absolute assclown, you stupid idiots.


Do you know what happens when you dont realize that is Liu Kangs model, huh? Do you know what happens?