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G11OST said:
Yea i jump tested all his moves as soon as i was able to get my hands on him. Bardock does have a lot of safe moves. The one that probably got people thinking he is plus on everything is probably his 236L. That move is only ever so slightly negative, almost neutral on block. Against short limb characters bardock seems able to keep his turn more or less cuz of this.
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Sultani said:
I suppose it is possible that its this, since chicken block will get you hit because of the jump start up, but i wouldnt notice since i would get hit on the first frame of jumping.

Maybe i am slightly pressing up while im walking backwards? I wouldnt think so but maybe.

Also chicken blocking doesnt apply to being hit with sweeps and lows while crouch blocking, or getting randomly opened up by unblockable air to airs.
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I used chicken blocking as an example, but it can work the other way around too, holding down back and slight back making the game think you're stand blocking for a split second. I have a hori pad and this drove me nuts for a while. I just moved my thumb placement to be more deliberate and it's way better now for me
 
villainous monk

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Sultani said:
Only a matter of time before people start complaining about bardock.. because seriously, fxxk bardock. Mr "i always have priority and all of my moves are plus, but also good luck because i can hit through block eventually."

I am so sick of getting hit by mids while i am holding back, and whatever move that is where he does like that hand chop or whatever hits you if you are behind him too? Fxxk that. And wtf is his recovery and range on 2H? It's better than goku blacks. He hit me from almost half screen, and if you make him wiff, he can just do it again anyway.

The biggest problem with this game is how block randomly doesnt work, and i found out that it isnt just an online problem.

Even in training when i am labbing counters to beam vanish, sometimes the beam will just hit me while im blocking. What?

Several times in offline casuals, im blocking, beam or assist just ignores it and hits me. Or the predictable run forward and low with a.gohan or run forward and 5H with other people. Even if you see it and crouch block, you'll get hit sometimes for no reason.

When you are in the air blocking air to airs, if the attacker is higher than you, their attacks will start registering as overheads eventhough you cannot block high or low in the air.

Blocking is so fxxed in this game and it would be nice if it wasnt so random considering the 5 minute block strings.
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I thought Bardock was a problem too at first because he seemed like he was plus on everything. Then I labbed him and he seemed slightly better than average I suppose. It's his overheads and speed that kind makes him look really good. Hes a good mix of a character between A.Gohan and Yamcha. I prefer Broly myself.

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EntropicByDesign

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It's all so very confusing.
JBeezYBabY said:
I mean, i dont know about the blocking situation cuz i know when i get fucked up from blocking is because i try to push buttons in between or the lag fucks up the inputs. It could possibly just be an online issue.

Bardock tho....im starting to see how dirty this asshole can be lol. I got fucked up royally by a very good one last night and his setups were NASTY! He Bardock got me in the corner, hit me with an air 236M which made me bounce and he caught me with a dragon rush. Like WTF!?! I dont think there was anyway i could have gotten out of that! But yeah, Bardock is plus on ALOOOOOOOOOT of shit, especially his spinwheel punch, even on block. Ridic...
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It's a text trap. Vegeta has a couple as well. It's a situation they put you in where if you tech in a certain direction, the dragon rush will grab you.. for Vegeta for instance, if I do whatever corner combo into downward angled lv1, and time a DR, you have to tech forward or up I think. I don't have my notes in front of me. But if you tech down or back the DR will automatically catch you, and I can do a Sr combo into a downward angled lv1 and repeat lol. This can catch forward tech too but you have to read it. I had a few things like this with TG as well.
 
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EntropicByDesign said:
It's a text trap. Vegeta has a couple as well. It's a situation they put you in where if you tech in a certain direction, the dragon rush will grab you.. for Vegeta for instance, if I do whatever corner combo into downward angled lv1, and time a DR, you have to tech forward or up I think. I don't have my notes in front of me. But if you tech down or back the DR will automatically catch you, and I can do a Sr combo into a downward angled lv1 and repeat lol. This can catch forward tech too but you have to read it. I had a few things like this with TG as well.
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Ya black has a nasty one as well, I think I sent it to you


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Sultani

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Ok. It looks like its an accidental up input causing me to get hit due to an unintended chicken block.

On my stick the up directional is slightly more sensitive that normal, so if i am pressing directions and then hold it, sometimes i unintentionally press up too.

Each time this happened in my last set, i held the stick where it was and slowly moved it down. Yep. Every time, i heard it click from up back to back.

Turns out im just bad.

Bardock is still ridiculous.
 
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Sultani

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freerf245 said:
Yea I don’t really feel this whole getting hit while blockin thing. Pretty sure its people chicken blocking and being blown up for it and not knowing/wanting to admit.
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Yep. I am accidentally chicken blocking. Every time it happens i check where my hands are and see whats up. Yup. Im very slightly prrssing up
 
ShArp

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@Sultani you asked me for games recently for Kid Buu matchup. What's your PSN and are you from EU or US? Cuz if you are from US we will get like 7f of delay..
 
JBeezYBabY

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Sultani said:
Ggs @JBeezYBabY

Timing that back dash out of blocked vanish is rough online. Lol

That gotenks.. i was like "AHH GET OFF MY FACE" ... then you started dragon rushing me for trying to jump away. Lol
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I was screaming cuz i was fucking up so my Gotenks wanted Blood! haha. Now I know what you were talking about the blocking was fucked in this game haha. I was so mad when i was up in the corner but Gotenks escaping FINALLY relieved the fuck outta me lol.

Note to self NEVER BACK DASH AGAINST CELL EVERRRRR!!

Use Assist on Oki wakeup. And use assist to help me tag in another character.

Thanks for the mental notes! Those matches were RIGHTEOUS :)
 
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JBeezYBabY said:
I was screaming cuz i was fucking up so my Gotenks wanted Blood! haha. Now I know what you were talking about the blocking was fucked in this game haha. I was so mad when i was up in the corner but Gotenks escaping FINALLY relieved the fuck outta me lol.

Note to self NEVER BACK DASH AGAINST CELL EVERRRRR!!

Use Assist on Oki wakeup. And use assist to help me tag in another character.

Thanks for the mental notes! Those matches were RIGHTEOUS :)
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Now you know what do we mean by this blocking issue here. This is why I didn't bother much to block, but rely on my reflexes. -_-
 
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JBeezYBabY said:
I was screaming cuz i was fucking up so my Gotenks wanted Blood! haha. Now I know what you were talking about the blocking was fucked in this game haha. I was so mad when i was up in the corner but Gotenks escaping FINALLY relieved the fuck outta me lol.

Note to self NEVER BACK DASH AGAINST CELL EVERRRRR!!

Use Assist on Oki wakeup. And use assist to help me tag in another character.

Thanks for the mental notes! Those matches were RIGHTEOUS :)
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Yeah dude.. even though it said 4 to 5 frames it ran ok. Some stuff was a little tough to react to or get used to. Like goku black blockstring into teleport OH, even though i knew it was going to happen i still couldnt react. Or like gotenks doing vanish blockstring. It hit me a couple times when i tried to dash away, but i backed out and punished other times..

Backdashing on blocked vanish can get you out of a followup blockstring against every character i've tested so far, but your timing needs to be the best against goku black and cell (based on the ones ive tested so far).

With 4 to 5 delay frames it will look like backdashing out is getting punished by cells advancing normals, but you can wiff punish him there.

The timing is a bit different for each character. Sometimes you need to punish right away, sometimes you need to let them wiff twice before you hit back. You need to throw out a light almost immediately against cell or he will just advance forward and hit you.
 
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Sultani said:
Yeah dude.. even though it said 4 to 5 frames it ran ok. Some stuff was a little tough to react to or get used to. Like goku black blockstring into teleport OH, even though i knew it was going to happen i still couldnt react. Or like gotenks doing vanish blockstring. It hit me a couple times when i tried to dash away, but i backed out and punished other times..

Backdashing on blocked vanish can get you out of a followup blockstring against every character i've tested so far, but your timing needs to be the best against goku black and cell (based on the ones ive tested so far).

With 4 to 5 delay frames it will look like backdashing out is getting punished by cells advancing normals, but you can wiff punish him there.

The timing is a bit different for each character. Sometimes you need to punish right away, sometimes you need to let them wiff twice before you hit back. You need to throw out a light almost immediately against cell or he will just advance forward and hit you.
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Did you try 2H, or L attack, or Reflect, or Vanish on Black's Vanish? Those are the only punishing moves against the Vanish. And Vanish is reactable.
 
BurdaA

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Sooooo possible scrub question.... what’s with the 5H I see people do when descending. Does it help you fall/land quicker?

It seems to catch an extra hit in the corner sometimes, but I see people do it midscreen too, when there’s no chance of connecting....
 
Osagri

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BurdaA said:
Sooooo possible scrub question.... what’s with the 5H I see people do when descending. Does it help you fall/land quicker?

It seems to catch an extra hit in the corner sometimes, but I see people do it midscreen too, when there’s no chance of connecting....
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Bait, meter building?
 
Shadow316

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BurdaA said:
Sooooo possible scrub question.... what’s with the 5H I see people do when descending. Does it help you fall/land quicker?

It seems to catch an extra hit in the corner sometimes, but I see people do it midscreen too, when there’s no chance of connecting....
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Mostly so that they don't get Dragon Rush instead of Super.
 
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