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EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
T7's netcode has been booty cheeks for me. I rarely ever get a crisp match regardless of who I'm playing and where they are located.

I'm wired and my internet is ridiculous - so it's not on my end.
 
BurdaA

BurdaA

Frost-Byte
Sultani said:
It definitely should.... considering there are scenarios where it being plusbasically means you die and theresnot a single thing you can do about it.
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Tbh I kinda agree, I’m ok with vanish as is at +2 for a bar. Not sure about the death thing, assume it’s late-game block/mix strings?

Because you can reflect any unassisted attack after a vanish (afaik), I just dont see that much of a problem, probably wrong tho lol. Reflect can be baited/grabbed obviously, but that’s FGs.

Raw SD bothers me more as a tool, I like the uncancellable and very minus but unpunishable on block suggestion. It should be my turn, that’s all I need.

The buff to SD when sparking is powerful, but that’s sparking’s entire point as a one-off resource.... comeback factor that can be short-changed for early advantage. I’d actually like this to stay if the above nerf to SD were introduced.
 
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Sultani

Warrior
BurdaA said:
Tbh I kinda agree, I’m ok with vanish as is at +2 for a bar. Not sure about the death thing, assume it’s late-game block/mix strings?

Because you can reflect any unassisted attack after a vanish (afaik), I just dont see that much of a problem, probably wrong tho lol. Reflect can be baited/grabbed obviously, but that’s FGs.

Raw SD bothers me more as a tool, I like the uncancellable and very minus but unpunishable on block suggestion. It should be my turn, that’s all I need.

The buff to SD when sparking is powerful, but that’s sparking’s entire point as a one-off resource.... comeback factor that can be short-changed for early advantage. I’d actually like this to stay if the above nerf to SD were introduced.
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I explained it a little more in my last post.... but...

You are playing against adult gohan.

He did beam assist vanish.

You are dead if he has the meter to push you to the corner even if you blocked it.
 
BurdaA

BurdaA

Frost-Byte
Sutter Pain said:
Just reflect dude! :DOGE
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Tbf, I did say “unassisted” literally....

Also not sure a universal tool should be touched if it’s specifically AGohan. If not, I might need a specific example of what you you mean, as not many chars can kill you with block pressure.
 
villainous monk

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
KHTC Takgillo said:
Tekken7 is delay based I have literally heard no one say Tekken 7 had a great netcode
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They pushed out a majour patch across PC and console where as the fixed a issue that was being caused by UE4 which btw both sfv & dbfz run on aswell. It was an expensive and costly patch but it improved the online experience vastly. There's no disputing that especially since a ton of people were silenced since then.

Nrs did the same thing for mkx when they switched to mkxl aswell.

So again like I agreed with the previous poster. Dbfz online input delay system is trash. The game is not trash. The online system is trash. But if nrs. AND NAMCO can fix the notorious notorious Un real engine 4 input delay lag issues that not only palgue dbfz but fortnite, pubg and other games which btw they have tweeted they are planning to address as well as dbfz then it's trash.

Akria is releasing Fighting EX Layer in June with a most like the same issues but even them with a very small Dev team and limited budget plan on not making the same mistakes so they've said.

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Sultani

Warrior
BurdaA said:
Tbf, I did say “unassisted” literally....

Also not sure a universal tool should be touched if it’s specifically AGohan. If not, I might need a specific example of what you you mean, as not many chars can kill you with block pressure.
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He has a beam. So he did beam vanish. Reflect him. Then what? Block? Yep. Block. Also saying "unassisted" like people wouldnt just use their beam assist every time there is a little unrealistic

I just used him as an example because hes the most ridoculous.. but cell, kid buu, goku black, 16, even ssj goku, blueku, bluegeta, and probably more im forgetting can do it too.
 
KHTC Takgillo

KHTC Takgillo

Warrior
villainous monk said:
They pushed out a majour patch across PC and console where as the fixed a issue that was being caused by UE4 which btw both sfv & dbfz run on aswell. It was an expensive and costly patch but it improved the online experience vastly. There's no disputing that especially since a ton of people were silenced since then.

Nrs did the same thing for mkx when they switched to mkxl aswell.

So again like I agreed with the previous poster. Dbfz online input delay system is trash. The game is not trash. The online system is trash. But if nrs. AND NAMCO can fix the notorious notorious Un real engine 4 input delay lag issues that not only palgue dbfz but fortnite, pubg and other games which btw they have tweeted they are planning to address as well as dbfz then it's trash.

Akria is releasing Fighting EX Layer in June with a most like the same issues but even them with a very small Dev team and limited budget plan on not making the same mistakes so they've said.

Sent from my Silicon Valley North Waterloo using Test Your Might mobile app
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But they didn't buff their netcode though they made the game input delay lower which probably helped the online indirectly but it is still delay base and a pretty meh netcode
 
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Sultani

Warrior
Wut if they'z like. "Goku black is deleted because hes a dumb charscter and that dumb thing he does with his dumb hand before his super is dumb"
 
xQUANTUMx

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
Sultani said:
He has a beam. So he did beam vanish. Reflect him. Then what? Block? Yep. Block. Also saying "unassisted" like people wouldnt just use their beam assist every time there is a little unrealistic

I just used him as an example because hes the most ridoculous.. but cell, kid buu, goku black, 16, even ssj goku, blueku, bluegeta, and probably more im forgetting can do it too.
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You're right, if you use assist, beam is different. but people use unassisted beams all the time.


https://twitter.com/Alioune85/status/973632017735745537


edit: I don't think SSB Goku has a beam..
 
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BurdaA

BurdaA

Frost-Byte
Sultani said:
He has a beam. So he did beam vanish. Reflect him. Then what? Block? Yep. Block. Also saying "unassisted" like people wouldnt just use their beam assist every time there is a little unrealistic

I just used him as an example because hes the most ridoculous.. but cell, kid buu, goku black, 16, even ssj goku, blueku, bluegeta, and probably more im forgetting can do it too.
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Why would you just stand-block after reflecting their first hit? There are a couple of auto-combos that advance loads, but AGohan doesn’t have one...

Also as mentioned by @xQUANTUMx , loads of players beam>vanish unassisted for the plus frames, which you can deny.

Using an assist makes the +2 vanish a little moot. With a beam assist it’d be plus (slightly less, sure) even if you made vanish -8.
 
Eh SnOwY

Eh SnOwY

PC FGC
been playing A16 as second pick since day1 (currently SSJ3 rank) never felt more powerful... also thinking about swapping goku ss (point) to Gohan... xD Top tier attraction.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
KHTC Takgillo said:
Japanese companies don't use rollback and even when they do it sucks(see SFV)
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Villainous monk said it. There was an exception, and that was called Tekken 7. This rollback happened due of worse lag in online in the last patch before they rollbacked.

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Sultani

Warrior
xQUANTUMx said:
You're right, if you use assist, beam is different. but people use unassisted beams all the time.


https://twitter.com/Alioune85/status/973632017735745537


edit: I don't think SSB Goku has a beam..
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Right. I was just naming characters that completely jail you if they vanish while calling a beam assist. Dint mean that he had a beam, just that if he vanished and calls an assist, you're pretty boned. Less so than characters like kid buu and adult gohan, though... those ones... you arent getting out.

Biggest complaint about this game aside from lack of defensive options against insane block strings that cant be avoided is definitely how block randomly just doesnt work. It happened about 6 times in the hour i played today. Not sure if this is just online or what, but its pretty stupid to be blocking attacks and then havea random mid just open you up while youre still blocking.
 
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Sultani

Warrior
BurdaA said:
Why would you just stand-block after reflecting their first hit? There are a couple of auto-combos that advance loads, but AGohan doesn’t have one...

Also as mentioned by @xQUANTUMx , loads of players beam>vanish unassisted for the plus frames, which you can deny.

Using an assist makes the +2 vanish a little moot. With a beam assist it’d be plus (slightly less, sure) even if you made vanish -8.
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So its only ok if it isnt beam assist plus vanish but just a regular beam? Thats fair. But again, thats not really what the problem is here. With beam assist vanish, you arent reflecting anything. Vanish would still be plus with the block stun from the assist beam, sure, but at least the timing would matter a little. Against the pressure heavy characters, beam assist vanish means you are probably dead.

Again, if vanish is left plus, then there needs to be instant blocking, faultless defense, blitz shields, and block bursts. All of those were deemed necessary in anime fighters with WAY less oppressive blockstrings. It is crazy to have way worse offensive pressure with less ways to defend.

Edit: that beam reflect into vanish reflect punish is pretty awesome. Wouldnt work agajnst beam assists would it?
 
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Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Kinda late to the convo, but vanish is infinitely better online than offline. I know that’s true with just about everything, but vanish is definitely tough to deal with in 3+ frames of delay, and damn near impossible to react to in anything higher than 3.

Not saying it isn’t good offline, because it is for sure.
 
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