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Sultani

Warrior
Juggs said:
Yeah I was never arguing lvl 0 A.Gohan wasn’t good. I don’t even like talking about tiers anymore. I was speaking about my team and the effectiveness of A.Gohan on point, I feel he’s better utilized not on point.

This isn’t necessarily directed towards you, but people focus way too much on tiers. I even have been guilty of this myself. It actually is kinda pointless to put so much stock into tiers and/or tier lists. I don’t care what Arcsys decides to do buff/nerf wise, whatever decisions they make I’ll accept them and adapt. No point in worrying about it.
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For sure. I understand the reason for not having him on point.

I havent really even suggested that a.gohan or goku black should be nerfed (i dont think.. lol) .. although i have suggested tweaks that i think make sense to my own character.

Tiers shmiers. Theres never a consensus with them from people whos opinions actually matter enough anyway.

I just wanted to compare diamonds and gumballs.
 
neveradestroyer

neveradestroyer

Kombatant
A counter attack reflect against Gohan. I really doubt it will be useful at high level. But... There You have it. Plus a combo pattern that I been practicing.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
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Sultani

Warrior
When you get matched up with another red... its 1 to 1... you drop a combo to kill because of a dropped input and get punished for it. then get matched up with him again and he's pink. :(
 
Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Sultani said:
For sure. I understand the reason for not having him on point.

I havent really even suggested that a.gohan or goku black should be nerfed (i dont think.. lol) .. although i have suggested tweaks that i think make sense to my own character.

Tiers shmiers. Theres never a consensus with them from people whos opinions actually matter enough anyway.

I just wanted to compare diamonds and gumballs.
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There’s discussing tiers, then there’s discussing balance, then there’s discussion buffs/berfs, then there’s discussing whether or not a character is too good (broken) or too weak (... uhm,, fixed), idk.

Personally I don’t find ANY of these things very interesting or even meaningful to talk about. Not saying you shouldn’t or can’t, just for ME I’ve come to the realization that it almost always does more bad than good. The discussions are largely unproductive because of the biases that go along with them.
 
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Badboy Takuma

Champion
Juggs said:
I’ve come to the realization that it almost always does more bad than good
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i realized this a long time ago. thats why u never see me in matchup/tierlist/nerfbuff discussions. its a pointless waste of time.
sometimes its funny to read tho. when char loyalist scrubs defend their chars and attack others, lolz
 
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Sultani

Warrior
Juggs said:
There’s discussing tiers, then there’s discussing balance, then there’s discussion buffs/berfs, then there’s discussing whether or not a character is too good (broken) or too weak (... uhm,, fixed), idk.

Personally I don’t find ANY of these things very interesting or even meaningful to talk about. Not saying you shouldn’t or can’t, just for ME I’ve come to the realization that it almost always does more bad than good. The discussions are largely unproductive because of the biases that go along with them.
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Some of the discussions can lead to things that are impactful for certain developers when the developers are active community participants, but whether or not allowing them to be such is where the problems come in because they don't always listen to the right things. Nothing could be worse than developers who have a character bias. Not saying arcsys would do something like this, in fact I'd have to believe they wouldn't.

Buff nerf discussions become more prevalent when it looks like a developer makes decisions based on what people are saying. Even if it isnt really because of the discussionsbut moreso because the balancing is obvious, people will still think it was because of an idea they or another person discussing it had. I usually only get involved with those discussions in an attempt to curtail the right people listening to falsely premised garbage, but yeah.. what i think doesnt matter. So i should probably just not do that.
 
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TamedLizard

TamedLizard

Buff George
Juggs said:
I did not say A.Gohan’s neutral “struggled” in lvl 0, I said his neutral “suffered” in lvl 0. I’m not arguing semantics, these words are completely different, at least in the context I was using.

In comparison to what even lvl 1 can do VS what lvl 0 can do, his neutral absolutely suffers when he’s in lvl 0. It’s like having an incomplete character while no other characters have this issue. But even further, lvl 1 vs lvl 2 is also a big difference. To be clear, I am not at all saying lvl 0 A.Gohan is bad or that lvl 0 A.Gohan’s neutral is bad. Again, I used the word “suffers” for a reason.

I don’t want to get into a long post about all the differences, you can look those up. Basically what I was saying is that A.Gohan at lvl 0 is a handicap for him, in neutral or otherwise, so why have him on point? That isn’t to suggest that not having him on point guarantees he’ll come in with at least a lvl 1, he can be snapped in or my other characters can die before I have a chance to z change. I’m talking about maximizing the effectiveness of not only A.Gohan as a single character and his neutral, but maximizing his effectiveness for my team as a whole. And as others who are much better at the game and much better with A.Gohan have already stated, he seems to be much better utilized not on point so you can maximize the chance of him starting out at at least lvl 1 potential unleashed.
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I may have been a bit overzealous in my last post, but I'm not trying to argue semantics or tell you (or anyone) how and where to play your characters. If you feel Gohan on point doesn't gel well, by all means make the change to better the flow of your team comp. 100% your prerogative.

I was just trying to understand why people think lvl 0 is a "gimped" or "incomplete" version of the character - just because he doesn't have a tracking tele or 3L?

The way I see it, everything after lvl 0 is just bonus perks to an already solid af character with godlike base tools. So I don't see lvl 0 as a handicap, but I'm trying to understand why some might. Especially if the "some" in question are top Gohan players. Maybe there's something I'm missing.
 
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Sultani

Warrior
So i was watching a little of the stream last night on spooky.

Its the strangest thing. People complain about 16 even when he hits someone with something everyone does. Dude does a raw tag or sd and gets hit with 2h into a combo into super. Hundreds of people flip out because of how lame, braindead and broken it was... totally fine for everyone else though. I just dont get it. People act like 16 shouldnt ever be able to hit you.

Then they ignore it everytime someone gets their shit pushed in my another adult gohan, goku black team. A top player should just tweet out that those characters are good to see what happens.
 
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Sultani

Warrior
TamedLizard said:
I may have been a bit overzealous in my last post, but I'm not trying to argue semantics or tell you (or anyone) how and where to play your characters. If you feel Gohan on point doesn't gel well, by all means make the change to better the flow of your team comp. 100% your prerogative.

I was just trying to understand why people think lvl 0 is a "gimped" or "incomplete" version of the character - just because he doesn't have a tracking tele or 3L?

The way I see it, everything after lvl 0 is just bonus perks to an already solid af character with godlike base tools. So I don't see lvl 0 as a handicap, but I'm trying to understand why some might. Especially if the "some" in question are top Gohan players. Maybe there's something I'm missing.
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Yes. Hes already awesome and better than most as a point character without that. But theres not a reason to use him without those things either. Just put goku black on point
 
JBeezYBabY

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
Tanno said:
Bardock trailer is next week.

https://twitter.com/BandaiNamcoEU/status/973508203047739392



Counter-Attack Reflect is already known. I do that as Beerus, Piccolo and Hit. :DOGE
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Well....there goes that hype of dlc released this week. But at least we get some news on DLC since Tekken FINALLY announced their next released.

BTW...note to self....NEVER PLAY ONLINE TIRED AS FUCK! I got my ass smashed waking up from a nap cuz i was still groggy lol. This game is too damn mental cuz them reflexes gotta be on point!
 
JBeezYBabY

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
Luckily Uncle JBeezY was able to try the new patch last night. And i must say.....online....its....uhh....a bit better. I will say, havent had any drops then again i only played 7 matches. IT ALMOST DID AFTER I WON but still connected and i got the W.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS....when it lags, it still fucks you up! Its like the Matrix, you're doing good one moment, then the next a rift in time happens and evreything goes in slow motion. Then BOOM dropped combo....fuck. So online is still a fucking issue....*sigh*....damnit....

At least they're getting better with each patch, so ill give them that. That new Z union thing is cute. Its literally RIGHT NEXT to the ranking hut. Just choose your fan favorite character and thats it lol. Dont know what rewards u get for staying, but the longer you stay in a union, the more rewards you get. The cool thing is once you choose, it replaces your square color when you face opponents.

I haven't tested anything else yet cuz I only had an hour to play. But will once i get home ;)
 
Osagri

Osagri

Fear the blade of Osh-Tekk
TamedLizard said:

First "real" ToD. The few others I've labbed were stuck in 9.4k-9.9k damage range but finally broke through and topped 10k with Ginyu.

Haven't nailed it in a match yet, but that's the goal for this weekend ;)
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Have done 10k with a. Gohan with assist in lab but I think tien is currently only who can do this Solo.
 
TamedLizard

TamedLizard

Buff George
Osagri said:
Have done 10k with a. Gohan with assist in lab but I think tien is currently only who can do this Solo.
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My big damage A.Gohan combos are kind of weak atm. I really need to stop lolligagging and put in more work on his leg loop corner combos but Ginyu has kept me distracted lol.
 
Osagri

Osagri

Fear the blade of Osh-Tekk
TamedLizard said:
My big damage A.Gohan combos are kind of weak atm. I really need to stop lolligagging and put in more work on his leg loop corner combos but Ginyu has kept me distracted lol.
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Didnt even do legloops it was Early on and a.gohan was set to lvl7 Need to go to the lab and do a New one since I have learned legloops. I am tempted to Learn Ginyu, tryed him and was having a blast
 
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TamedLizard

TamedLizard

Buff George
Osagri said:
Didnt even do legloops it was Early on and a.gohan was set to lvl7 Need to go to the lab and do a New one since I have learned legloops. I am tempted to Learn Ginyu, tryed him and was having a blast
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I'd recommend him to anyone lol. Such a fun character. Unorthodox character to fight too. Respect him too much in neutral then it becomes his game to play.
 
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