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God Confirm

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Random question for the sake of conversation and discussion:

Who are your sleeper top tiers? Characters either not talked about right now or not used that you think will develop into.. well top tiers, over time.

And conversely, who's over-rated and thought to be top, but who is, in fact, a bill?

Sleepers for me.. I dunno if Hit counts as a sleeper, but I think he's going to develop into an enormously strong character as time goes by. He's the main stand-out there.. but Fat Buu might have more going for him than he's given credit for.

Bills for me.. honestly.. only Vegeta. I think he's mediocre at best as a character and, yes, his assist is amazing but other character's assists can do similar things they just aren't as braindead easy to use. As execution improves I think Vegeta will be phased out.
Sleepers are Ginyu, Beerus, Piccolo, Nappa, 21. First three are characters people seem to think are crap but are actually REALLY good, just harder to play then the rest. Last two are even better, but nobody really talks about them at all.


Bills is absolutely Vegeta Blue. Some people still think this character is good for some reason. Oh and Teen Gohan, kinda lacking.
Putting SS Vegeta here though I couldn't disagree with more. He's one of the better characters on the field, and his assist is a tier above every other assist. I feel like it's a bit of a meme at this point to say he's only an assist at this point because someone else said it, it's what I thought at first but actually far from the truth. Vegeta is so legit
 
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God Confirm

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Hit for sure. There's a lot of depth with him.

A18. She makes people press button with 17 out with assists and OH's out especially when she's teamed up with lvl 1 or lvl 3 characters that have full screen supers.

Nappa. He's a better version of Kid Buu in the corner.

Cell is madd slept on. He's like the better version of 16 in almost every way.

Android 21. She's extremely strong with the moves she can steal. You just have to get her in the right order but her corner carry is vicious and she will keep you there. I've only seen Leffen use her really well but he doesn't do the absorb moves too often and I think he leaves way too much potential damage and setups out without him using it. She's damn good.

I want to say Ginyu because he kinda does what 18 can do with filling the screen but the problem is I individually can't control the force (lul the force) you could then he'd be top tier. Regardless I think he has potential. Still a bill though.

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It's a common opinion that Cell is #1. It's not one I agree with, but putting him and 18 there makes me think you mighta missed what "sleeper" means lol


Also 16 has a lot that Cell does have, tick throws off everything, armor heavys, and untechable oki. Cell has his shit but he's a different character to 16
 

G11OST

Apprentice
I'd say Frieza is a sleeper. His heavy's are ridiculous. Does crazy damage for little effort.

I personally think that once the game fleshes out more, characters heavy's are going to play a big part on their placements in tier list. What do I know though?

Also Kid Buu has gaps in his pressure, once exposed he'll probably drop down a tier.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Yeah by sleeper I meant characters that are considered bad but actually aren't.. and by bill I meant characters that seem considered good, but aren't.

16 and cell are probably the best two characters in the game or very close to. throw Black and AG in there and you have arguably 4 of the top 5 fleshed out. Kid MIGHT make up the last but I honestly think he's not quite there. He's ridiculous, but I dunno. And to be clear, this opinion is based on the state of the game as we know it today. Tech and strategy may develop that either devalues them or replaces them.

So I don't think Cell and 16 are sleepers at all, I think they are just flat out ridiculously strong.. it seems like almost every pro level player is running one or more of the four, and there was a Japanese tournament recently that I THINK literally had a Cell on every team LOL

Another potential sleeper is Tien. I think he could do work.

And I want to leave this post on an argumentative note. This isn't directed at anyone here, just a general statement..

The old school "this is how we used to do it" mentality needs to fuck off into the air and people need to stop saying it before thinking of the context in which they are applying it. Seriously. Kthx.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
And I want to leave this post on an argumentative note. This isn't directed at anyone here, just a general statement..

The old school "this is how we used to do it" mentality needs to fuck off into the air and people need to stop saying it before thinking of the context in which they are applying it. Seriously. Kthx.
what does this actually mean? is this in context of the forums, or the game?
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Random question for the sake of conversation and discussion:

Who are your sleeper top tiers? Characters either not talked about right now or not used that you think will develop into.. well top tiers, over time.

And conversely, who's over-rated and thought to be top, but who is, in fact, a bill?

Sleepers for me.. I dunno if Hit counts as a sleeper, but I think he's going to develop into an enormously strong character as time goes by. He's the main stand-out there.. but Fat Buu might have more going for him than he's given credit for.

Bills for me.. honestly.. only Vegeta. I think he's mediocre at best as a character and, yes, his assist is amazing but other character's assists can do similar things they just aren't as braindead easy to use. As execution improves I think Vegeta will be phased out.
Only way Vegeta’s usage will phase out, imo, is if he gets nerfed. He’s actually a really good character solo. It’s not like he has super crazy mixups or anything, he’s just a solid character I think.

Sleeper for me is Tien. I honestly don’t know why. I just always feel so anxious playing against this character for some reason. I guess I could add Nappa to the sleeper list too but I feel people already know he’s really good, he’s just not played as much. These bald dudes are scary man.
 

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
Nappa is better than Kid Buu in the corner !?QUESTION MARK?! HOW? Please let me knooooo!
His pressure and setups are absolutely strong. Sibamen m & H planted does a restsand once the opponent is off the ground which means added pressure. Found that out a few days ago.

His 2H is a damn near AA and confirms pretty ok. Not the best mind you but you don't want to be jumping or rushing against him anyways. IAD & back dash 236 snuffs rushes covering him pretty good which you can follow up with assist/sibamen. Kid Buu has 214 which you can also use but land that AA right now in the current build of this game is 50/50 2H rules and Nappa's does a better job.

Also his assist does more then give you a stun as it juggles them for a follow-up just like Frieza. The hitbox is way bigger and gives good time to pull out saibamen, assists or go on offense or defense with those earlier options.

He does lack a air super where Kid Buu reigns. Which sucks for Nappa. I mean Break Cannon could've been used has a lvl3 in the air since he did it to Goku in the comics and in episode 29 in dbz.(Nappa went off more off then before!) but his J 2H is beautiful in the corner especially when you can cancel it. Still fooling around with it.

Does good hard knockdowns with 236 which you can do really nice follow ups. It's his main move besides saibamen 214.

I still think he's better in the corner where's Buu can hold his own better in the neutral game since he has air beam attacks and 236. I'm still labbing to see if it clashes in the air or if the ground version clashes since it has a bigger hitbox.

But Nappa's pressure is ridiculously good. Mixed with assists and saibamen.

Hope this clarifies my opinion.

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villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
It's a common opinion that Cell is #1. It's not one I agree with, but putting him and 18 there makes me think you mighta missed what "sleeper" means lol


Also 16 has a lot that Cell does have, tick throws off everything, armor heavys, and untechable oki. Cell has his shit but he's a different character to 16
I really didn't think others felt he was that strong. Judging by tier lists and other emerging top players and all the rest I honestly didn't pay much attention. I only based it off of my matches and his potential out there. 16 is good iabd can zone him out. He has to come to you. I never liked characters like that. Cell is more versatile. Besides the grabs I think he's a bit of a better option.

Same for 18 since she seems limited at first glance but has a lot of depth. Just watching matches of her and seeing how she is I didn't think she's as much of a top pick as say ssb Goku for example. It's aslo just as much on appeal I'm also basing it on then.

Just my experience I'm just saying.



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Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
FINALLY GOT ANDROID 21. My team for sure is now Krillin/XXXXX/21, just need to fill that void (want to get off SSJ Vegeta) thinking one of the Gohans? Maybe even give Hit a real try, but I don't know if I'll be good enough to play him well
A.Gohan is always a good choice. But I’m biased, I absolutely love this character. Why do you want to get rid of Vegeta though? You just not feeling him?
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Oh and most are probably aware, but NLBC is live with DBFZ on TeamSp00ky’s stream. This local has some great players, and of course Sp00ky’s streams are god tier.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
I really didn't think others felt he was that strong. Judging by tier lists and other emerging top players and all the rest I honestly didn't pay much attention. I only based it off of my matches and his potential out there. 16 is good iabd can zone him out. He has to come to you. I never liked characters like that. Cell is more versatile. Besides the grabs I think he's a bit of a better option.

Same for 18 since she seems limited at first glance but has a lot of depth. Just watching matches of her and seeing how she is I didn't think she's as much of a top pick as say ssb Goku for example. It's aslo just as much on appeal I'm also basing it on then.

Just my experience I'm just saying.



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Well, Cell is pretty much who everyone is complaining about the most, and before that it was 18. So, good they are, but sleepers, they are not
 

HellblazerHawkman

Confused Thanagarian
A.Gohan is always a good choice. But I’m biased, I absolutely love this character. Why do you want to get rid of Vegeta though? You just not feeling him?
Yeah, he's just kind of boring to me. Like, I can play him fine, but he just feels 'meh'. Same reason I was never a Superman player
 

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
You know the real reason Vegeta's assist is dumb? Watch where he spawns compared to the rest, this fool appears like 2 characters behind the point character where everyone else spawns on top of you or a bit front. Even other angled assists like Cell and Blue Vegeta show up right on top of you but regular Vegeta shows up so far away making him risk free to call.
It's hilarious that this is the nerfed version of the assist lol. Idk what they were thinking keeping it like this with some of the underwhelming assists some characters have.

Just remembering that they said that the better characters will have worse assists and the lower characters will have the best assists and seeing the game now.. all the best assists are attached to the best characters lol.

Random question for the sake of conversation and discussion:

Who are your sleeper top tiers? Characters either not talked about right now or not used that you think will develop into.. well top tiers, over time.

And conversely, who's over-rated and thought to be top, but who is, in fact, a bill?

Sleepers for me.. I dunno if Hit counts as a sleeper, but I think he's going to develop into an enormously strong character as time goes by. He's the main stand-out there.. but Fat Buu might have more going for him than he's given credit for.

Bills for me.. honestly.. only Vegeta. I think he's mediocre at best as a character and, yes, his assist is amazing but other character's assists can do similar things they just aren't as braindead easy to use. As execution improves I think Vegeta will be phased out.

Depends, who do you consider top tier now?

If it's just the very obvious Cell/16/Black/XLGohan then you have Tien, Kid Buu, Blueku, 21, 18, Trunks, Hit, Goku..
biggest "sleeper" though is probably Piccolo, or Gotenks. These guys have amazing dirt but are very rarely played atm.
Almost the whole cast is near top tier tbh, which is really good for a first version of a game with no patches yet.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
what does this actually mean? is this in context of the forums, or the game?
No direct context, I've heard it a dozen times in the last two days and a million times prior and it must drives me insane when it's said without any context.

Quick example - guy in a stream says he has a tournament coming up, he's new. His first tournament and this game is his first fighter. He didn't say what tournament or give any details beyond that, and that's cobbled together from his general conversation over 15~ min in stream chat.

Well the guy gas been in there, clearly trying to get opinions and info for a while. He just seems super excited and enthusiastic, if a little green.. he wants to talk about this new game and hobby. So, he asks something to the effect of "I play whatever team but I see everyone running Cell, do you all think I should play him because the other guys in the tournament probably are?"

So, hes instantaneously jumped by two people both spouting the "back in my day/old school" line about how you just played who you wanted and made it work and you grind like it's a job and on and on to the point all I could imagine were two old men in rocking chairs on porches with wwII veteran style hats on only they said SFII instead, yelling at the kids across the street who are trying to play kickball or someshit.

It's just, thier comments made no sense and had no point. It was just nonesense spouted as an auto-reaction to try and appear superior to someone, for no real reason.

Fighting games have never acted like that. I've come late to the FGC in terms of actually competing, but I'm 35, I've ACTUALLY been around since SFII, and gone to arcades and so on.. and ya know what? Every motherfucker in fighting games parrots what works and always has. Wesker anyone? The dude who was winning at the arcade? He informed the characters chosen by most people there in smaller scenes and we watch tournament professionals all piling into the same boat, in every new game. A billion deadshots and weskers and cells and s1 Ken's and Nashs and Chuns and so on.

The "old school" mentality has nothing to do with half the shit it's tied to. It has to do with overcoming adversity by work and not JUST whinging, but I see the term applied over and over where it doesn't fit and no one took the context of the situation into account and just saw a player who isn't "old school" and wanted to try and sound superior.

It's idiotic. The FGC as a whole has progressed and changed and fighting games don't operate oike they used too, and mindlessly applying an antiquated term is just dumb.

If I come on here and scream after this short a period of time that, say, Kid Buu is broken and bullshit and needs a nerf and he's OP etc, smack me with some old school, I deserve it and in the context of my opinion it fits.
 

TamedLizard

Buff George
Still trying to work out this 2nd team. Who would you guys suggest on point with Black on mid and 16 on anchor? I've tried Teen Gohan, Vegeta, and Tien so far but they didn't really click.

I guess I could go full SF and put Hit on point lol.
 

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
Random question for the sake of conversation and discussion:

Who are your sleeper top tiers? Characters either not talked about right now or not used that you think will develop into.. well top tiers, over time.

And conversely, who's over-rated and thought to be top, but who is, in fact, a bill?

Sleepers for me.. I dunno if Hit counts as a sleeper, but I think he's going to develop into an enormously strong character as time goes by. He's the main stand-out there.. but Fat Buu might have more going for him than he's given credit for.

Bills for me.. honestly.. only Vegeta. I think he's mediocre at best as a character and, yes, his assist is amazing but other character's assists can do similar things they just aren't as braindead easy to use. As execution improves I think Vegeta will be phased out.
Fat Buu is a sleeper. Hold the mix. Check Alioune's vid

 

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
Im starting to see some cracks in Vegeta. In other words, its getting harder n harder to open people up with him solo. BUT i will not give up on him yet. He's kinda like the KEN in this game and Ken was my favorite in SF. So is Vegeta in this game. So a bill I would say......hmmmmmm....I dunno, thats a tough one. I wanna say Ginyu but i wont just yet.

As far as Sleepers.....I see only REALLY REALLY good players use 16 HANDS DOWN! I immediately have a fear in my spine when I see him on somebody else's team. He's a fucking TERROR and i had NO IDEA HE HAD ARMOR! Fuck. He smashed through my candy beam and i was pissed! Hahaha
I always felt trunks was more like Ken, but prob based that on his being more flashy