MK_Gorchichka
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I guess the thread took the wrong turn when it came to discussing politics. Something is just not right about that imo
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I open this thread to talk you about the weird situation that took place during the ESL PathToPro Final, online tournament played on August 19th with 12k prize pool and 2 E-League spots for the top placers.
This tournament wasn't open to everyone, only the 12 players who won one weekly PTP event (or took 2nd place, if the weekly winner was banned from the PTP final due to surpassing the 45 IPS point limit) were allowed to play. Here is the bracket: https://play.eslgaming.com/injustice/europe/ij2-ps4/major/path-to-pro-europe/finals/rankings/
I have many reasons to believe that the player named Bambooka, who took 4th place, let another player play the tournament matches in his place. That player ID is Kingusha.
The elements that lead me to this are the following:
1) Kingusha and Bambooka both live in Moscow and know each other, this is confirmed by other russian players. They are not far from each other, so Kingusha could easily play the games from Bambooka house.
2) Bambooka is a Superman - Aquaman player, and this can be verified by checking his Hero Card. Here are some pics of his profile taken on August 19th, that clearly shows who he mained up until that day:
He is a Superman-Aquaman main, and further proof of that is the fact that during MFA 2017, offline tournament in Moscow that took place some weeks before the PTP final, he only used them. You can see him playing here :
Now, during the Pathtopro finals he used Superman, Black Adam, Harley Quinn, Supergirl at a high level:
Supergirl :Harley Quinn :Black Adam :Superman :
According to his profile he never used any of the above characters except for Superman. How is that possible? Do I really have to believe that he trains with them using another account and never uses them on Bambooka?
Also, all of the characters he showed, except Superman, lacked customization. This isn't proof of anything, but in my opinion is an ulterior element that leads to believe that he never used them. He customized Superman, who is his true main, but never touched the others...also his Adam was lv.1, while Supergirl and Harley lv.3, and Superman lv.20. Isn't that weird?
Let's take a look at the profile of his friend Kingusha, very good and known player who attended the 2015 Mortal Kombat Cup in Paris, with a screen taken on August 19th:
Up until that day he mained all (and only) the characters that have been used during the final + Aquaman. Is that a coincidence? What is the chance? No reasonable person can believe that. Also, even if I can't prove it, Kingusha was not online on PS4 for all the tournament duration.
3) Bambooka is not a great player. I don't want this to sound as an insult, but he just isn't. His level isn't very high and this is also known by all the russian and EU community. The player who was playing during the pathtopro had a much higher level than his: a level which is compatible with Kingusha, who is very good.
Also, every player has his own characteristic style and Kingusha isn't an exception. Me and other players have played hundreds of casuals against him, I know that he was the one playing...Everyone who has played against him can realize that. Of course this can't be proven, but a competitive player knows that, and can feel that.
If you see 2 Doctor Fate playing, without their screen name, you can tell who of them is Dragon and who is OmgxBdon. If you see 2 Deadshot, you know who is Foxy and who is Sonic. Each player has his style.
Now, since I am one of the players who lost to Bambooka and had his tournament compromised because of him, I sent a detailed ticket to ESL. They investigated for one month, and I thank them very much for that, but despite their effort no decisive proof was found. Afterall, if one player plays an online tournament in the home of another one, finding any kind of 100% proof is probably impossible.
Yet my suspect remains, so I decided to share the story with the community and see what you guys think.
I personally hope that tournaments as big and important as the PathtoPro finals won't be played online ever again.
homie who ever told you suka means your mother obviously thought your mom was a bitch. No offense meant... it just means what I said.
Yeah, but it's Russia so whatevs.
I hope you dont actually believe this, because no its not fair to have someone else play for you so you can get money, and yes doing this makes you a bad person and overall harms the community. Might be cheap if its something like some random 100 dollars online tourney because well its only 100 bucks, even though you are still potentially robbing someone. But in P2P an online qualifying event where you have the potential to win thousands of dollars, then travel to the us to potentially win 100s of thousands of dollars is wrong. The person who qualifed isnt really a that good of player, and someone who didnt qualify beat players who did, robbing them of thousands of dollars, a chance to be on television, travel to the us, and win even more money. Thats not fair at all and imo if this really is true they should be banned,because basically this mediocore player colluded with someone and robbed people who should be going to the us and being in eleague.
Glor I don't agree with you on this, doing something like the one you described would make me feel bad, it's just wrong and I'm 100% fair all the time. What you said makes me think that cheating in online environments is so easy that many players consider it almost "fair" lol.
Idk, you're sounding pretty Russian here.
If it's common it's meta
I don't know how can you say something like that. If in a tournament I am supposed to play against player A, but he lets Sonicfox play in his place and I lose, both of them have to be banned and penalized...this shouldn't even be something to clarify really.If it's common it's meta
Plus I'm not saying cheating is good.
I'm saying it's not cheating because someone's skill against another person's skill is fair fighting.
Saying you're someone else does not take from the value of the gameplay.
Identity has literally nothing to do with competing.
I can see how you could tell in fighting games. How one would tell with online poker is beyond me.....
Fair enough, identity of top players does matter in the sense that they are indeed the best players.
my thoughts exactly.
Pretty much the same... Let say you are a somewhat decent poker player. You are playing the 250 dollars tourney on your favorite pokersite. There's 12000 players... With a lot of luck, patience and a tiny bit of skills, you manage to be one of the last 40 players... If you're out in 40th place, you win 2500 dollars... Whatever... If you make top 3, you hit the big payday... 150 000 dollars...
I just never gave poker that much credit as a 'game of skill'. Calling someone out for there betting practices seems arguable imo. But as i said, i dnt poker.
If you have a large enough sample size monitoring someones behavior (or almost anything really) it can be, depending on the level of difference you're looking to detect, anywhere from trivially easy to basically impossible to detect a difference. In the case of online poker were the data set on your behavior is likely thousands if not hundreds of thousands of hands detecting a substantial change in behavior would fall into the 'trivially easy' category.
Ey, at least you can watch how he's destroyed by dragon.
ESL would be way out of line to do something unless there was inconvertible proof.
