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Icefyre

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How exactly is it wrong? Execution and easiness of a character is part of what makes that character good or bad. Yes there are chars that are hard to use but still awesome and some that are easy to use but not that good, but these factors can still effect the viability of the characters.
Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a minute here. Take an imaginary fighting game character whose anti-air is db2. Now change that special move to fdfbdf2. That represents an execution barrier that does affect gameplay, if only because fdfbdf2 will take a few extra frames for the player to input. When playing against that character, your strategy has now changed: you are more likely to jump in on that character, because the character's execution requirement takes up a few valuable frames that the player needs to react to and anti-air the jump in appropriately.

This situation does not apply to the OP's topic.

You cannot use your personal problem with Reptile's far claw pounce as any sort of example for your argument, nor can you use the idea that Reptile can ignore a particular move to justify not fixing a similar move Jax has. That is a logical fallacy. The characters are completely different and cannot be compared in such a way, as they both rely on very different things and different strategies for their gameplan. Changing bf2d to something akin to db2 does not affect the character's viability or balance. Fixing a bug is not the same thing as a buff. It would make Jax easier to play the way he's meant to be played, sure. But making a character easier to play, when regarding inputs, has no effect on startup frames, active frames, the spacing of the move, block advantage, etc. Those issues affect gameplay strategy and how you approach matchups; changing the input of the move does not, especially in the given scenario with Jax.

You have the right idea that execution requirements can be a factor in balance, at least within a certain light, but you are absolutely wrong that this idea can be applied in this particular context. Also, you said it yourself: "Yes there are chars that are hard to use but still awesome and some that are easy to use but not that good..." If gameplay balance was also based around the idea you're trying to put forward, there wouldn't be so many different counter examples.
 
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How exactly is it wrong? Execution and easiness of a character is part of what makes that character good or bad. Yes there are chars that are hard to use but still awesome and some that are easy to use but not that good, but these factors can still effect the viability of the characters.
My personal belief (and im assuming the majority as well) is that execution and balance aren't related. Let's say that you had only 1 character in the game that had a win move. Meaning that if this move were performed you automatically win the match no matter what. Lets say it required a 37 button input. Would that be balanced?
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a minute here. Take an imaginary fighting game character whose anti-air is db2. Now change that special move to fdfbdf2. That represents an execution barrier that does affect gameplay, if only because fdfbdf2 will take a few extra frames for the player to input. When playing against that character, your strategy has now changed: you are more likely to jump in on that character, because the character's execution requirement takes up a few valuable frames that the player needs to react to and anti-air the jump in appropriately.

This situation does not apply to the OP's topic.

You cannot use your personal problem with Reptile's far claw pounce as any sort of example for your argument, nor can you use the idea that Reptile can ignore a particular move to justify not fixing a similar move Jax has. That is a logical fallacy. The characters are completely different and cannot be compared in such a way, as they both rely on very different things and different strategies for their gameplan. Changing bf2d to something akin to db2 does not affect the character's viability or balance. Fixing a bug is not the same thing as a buff. It would make Jax easier to play the way he's meant to be played, sure. But making a character easier to play, when regarding inputs, has no affect on startup frames, active frames, the spacing of the move, block advantage, etc. Those issues affect gameplay strategy and how you approach matchups; changing the input of the move does not, especially in the given scenario with Jax.

You have the right idea that execution requirements can be a factor in balance, at least within a certain light, but you are absolutely wrong that this idea can be applied in this particular context. Also, you said it yourself: "Yes there are chars that are hard to use but still awesome and some that are easy to use but not that good..." If gameplay balance was also based around the idea you're trying to put forward, there wouldn't be so many different counter examples.
Thank you very much for the explanation. I'm glad that someone explained to me why this particular issue regarding Jax is a fix and not a buff and where exactly I was wrong regarding execution's part in the balance, while also stating where I was right regarding Reptile specifically (without any mention to Jax) or when I was right regarding execution's part in the balance, all in a professional way.

Thanks so much again bro :)

My personal belief (and im assuming the majority as well) is that execution and balance aren't related. Let's say that you had only 1 character in the game that had a win move. Meaning that if this move were performed you automatically win the match no matter what. Lets say it required a 37 button input. Would that be balanced?
Well @Icefyre pretty much explained that point so I assume that answers your question as well :)
 
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JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
i didnt know racist jokes are fine, problably sexist jokes too i guess i got it all wrong all this time
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"I didn't know RACE jokes are fine, probably sexist jokes too I guess. I got it all wrong all this time."

You actually had the whole sentence wrong this whole time too, but I helped ya out this time. You're welcome. :cool:
 
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"I didn't know RACE jokes are fine, probably sexist jokes too I guess. I got it all wrong all this time."

You actually had the whole sentence wrong this whole time too, but I helped ya out this time. You're welcome. :cool:
ok so because my english is shit , its funny too ? fuck you dude
 

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
Thank you very much for the explanation. I'm glad that someone explained to me why this particular issue regarding Jax is a fix and not a buff and where exactly I was wrong regarding execution's part in the balance, while also stating where I was right regarding Reptile specifically (without any mention to Jax) or when I was right regarding execution's part in the balance, all in a professional way.

Thanks so much again bro :)



Well @Icefyre pretty much explained that point so I assume that answers your question as well :)
Ok, so wait, I don't get it.
If you needed this stuff to be explained, you obviously didn't understand what you were debating.
Do you really discuss matters you don't understand on daily basis?
For example 2 people start discussinng foreign relations of Kazachstan and even though you don't even know what Kazachstan is you feel you need to give your input on the matter?
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
and you are funny ? must be fun to live in disneyland fucktard lets hope i meet you in a tourney , so you can walk your bitch ass to me and tell me that in my face
Awwww we're playing the "tough guy" act behind an avatar now ?Question mark? Bless your ENTIRE heart!

First off, I don't even like Disney. Except for Kingdom Hearts. Now I can't wait till THAT comes out!

Second, I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to enter a tourney one day. But the way YOU are talking, sounds like you do not want to play video games. You wanna play the "other" game. Well in that regard, you def don't know me, Homie The Clown, but I guarantee you do NOT want to at this point.

So I'm gonna be nice and just let babies do what babies do. Keep crying until they exhaust themselves out. Cuz this cry for attention I will no longer pay attention to. So have fun, it was "interesting" chatting with you, and I thoroughly enjoyed myself :)
 
Awwww we're playing the "tough guy" act behind an avatar now ?Question mark? Bless your ENTIRE heart!

First off, I don't even like Disney. Except for Kingdom Hearts. Now I can't wait till THAT comes out!

Second, I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE to enter a tourney one day. But the way YOU are talking, sounds like you do not want to play video games. You wanna play the "other" game. Well in that regard, you def don't know me, Homie The Clown, but I guarantee you do NOT want to at this point.

So I'm gonna be nice and just let babies do what babies do. Keep crying until they exhaust themselves out. Cuz this cry for attention I will no longer pay attention to. So have fun, it was "interesting" chatting with you, and I thoroughly enjoyed myself :)
i guarantee you the opposite pussie
 

MasterBelmont

Aspiring competitive MKXL/MVCI player from Oregon
Well, this is MK's 25th anniversary and Scar tweeted he believes NRS will return to MKX due to the community support it got (and still does, in a way), so I believe there is a chance of this.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
Ok, so wait, I don't get it.
If you needed this stuff to be explained, you obviously didn't understand what you were debating.
Do you really discuss matters you don't understand on daily basis?
For example 2 people start discussinng foreign relations of Kazachstan and even though you don't even know what Kazachstan is you feel you need to give your input on the matter?
Dude are you for real? I'm sorry but that comment was just plane stupid. It is very common to know a good chunk of stuff about a certain topic but yet to have one particular point that he is wrong about and can be explained to him by someone who also knows a good chunk of stuff. That's what happened here. I was wrong about just one or two particular points about this whole topic, and I was still right about other stuff as well. That is called sharing knowledge, something you haven't done in the whole thread. And I hate to bring it to ya, but I don't think you can do it, considering the type of your responses to me.

Well, this is MK's 25th anniversary and Scar tweeted he believes NRS will return to MKX due to the community support it got (and still does, in a way), so I believe there is a chance of this.
WB did announce in the MK's 25th anniversary that the game specific Living Towers of MK1-MK4, MKSM and MK9 would be available during the MK 25TH anniversary week and that's exactly what happened, with the Raiden Tower being added at the end. It has nothing to do with balance or hotfixes but it was still some kind of a support. So who knows?
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Dude are you for real? I'm sorry but that comment was just plane stupid. It is very common to know a good chunk of stuff about a certain topic but yet to have one particular point that he is wrong about and can be explained to him by someone who also knows a good chunk of stuff. That's what happened here. I was wrong about just one or two particular points about this whole topic, and I was still right about other stuff as well. That is called sharing knowledge, something you haven't done in the whole thread. And I hate to bring it to ya, but I don't think you can do it, considering the type of your responses to me.



WB did announce in the MK's 25th anniversary that the game specific Living Towers of MK1-MK4, MKSM and MK9 would be available during the MK 25TH anniversary week and that's exactly what happened, with the Raiden Tower being added at the end. It has nothing to do with balance or hotfixes but it was still some kind of a support. So who knows?
Glad you can admit that we were right, and that you had no idea what you were talking about. Next time you have zero understanding of a topic, please don't come into a thread trying to shut down necessary fixes to a character.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
Glad you can admit that we were right, and that you had no idea what you were talking about. Next time you have zero understanding of a topic, please don't come into a thread trying to shut down necessary fixes to a character.
I was wrong at some points in this topic but I was also right at some points too, and if you actually would have read both my and Icefyre's comments you would notice that, it is really not hard to find. So I didn't had zero understanding as I still had understanding at some points on this topic and I didn'y try to "shut down" supposedly necesary fixes just for the sake of it. Some genius.

Next time read the comments before you respond so you won't be proven to be a fool. Sorry but that is the truth.
 
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LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
I was wrong at some points in this topic but I was also right at some points too, and if you actually would have read both my and Icefyre's comments you would notice that, it is really not hard to find. So I didn't had zero understanding as I still had understanding at some points on this topic and I didn'y try to "shut down" supposedly necesary fixes just for the sake of it. Some genius.

Next time read the comments before you respond so you won't be proven to be a fool. Sorry but that is the truth.
He wont be proven to be a fool? Even though a few people said here you are the fool because of the shit you wrote?
 
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Wigy

There it is...
Someone who knows stuff about this.

Everyone is saying it would take too much time for an old game.

Is there some kind of bullshit payments or paperwork that has to go in with these patch changes for companies? Surely the jax fixes would be a few lines of code?
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
He wont be proven to be a fool? Even though a few people said here you are the one because of the shit you wrote?
I was wrong at s couple of points, but there is a difference between being wrong and being a complete fool, especially that I was still right about some points here. In fact you and Barry are the ones who acting like fools for not understanding such things. And now it seems you two are just trying to make yourselves look good at my expense, by twisting around and ignoring things that I've said and that even others said and your consistently requesting me to stop just like with this gif that you got. Very mature out of you.
 
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Wigy

There it is...
I was wrong at s couple of points, but there is a difference between being wrong and being a complete fool, especially that I was still right about some points here. In fact you and Barry are the ones who acting like fools for not understanding such things. And now it seems you two are just trying to make yourselves look good at my expense, by twisting around and ignoring things that I've said and that even others said and your consistently requesting me to stop just like with this gif that you got. Very mature out of you.
You do need to stop tho.

Like now pls.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
Not ‘we’.. YOU need to stop.

In these situations, accept you’re being an idiot and stop replying.
I am sorry but if you think being wrong once while also being right at some points means I'm an idiot then this title appeals to you much more then me.

I was wrong about some points regarding Jax I was right about some other points, I admit at which point I was wrong and that is it.

We ALL should stop, period.
 

Wigy

There it is...
I am sorry but if you think being wrong once while also being right at some points means I'm an idiot then this title appeals to you much more then me.

I was wrong about some points regarding Jax I was right about some other points, I admit at which point I was wrong and that is it.

We ALL should stop, period.
Look at you still going. ‘We should all stop’ continues to reply for 4 threads.

Everyone is universally saying you’re being an idiot. If you’re trying to save face just stop replying.