When he doesn't have fire arrows I always throw a hyena at him because the worst I can eat is a 1% arrow so that trade gives me time to get in a bit at least.
Gotcha. I'm a little surprised to hear that she definitely has to get in on him. I thought the jump shot, hyenas, and cup cakes would have made the zoning battle in favor of her.
Not really, she will get hit out of all that. As I said if he has fire arrows just get in patiently, if he runs out of fire arrows that's your chance to get a trade just for the advantage to get in but be carefull of MB arrow tho.
I'm saying 5-5, just looking at it on paper. The zoning war is sorta even. I have to play around his gunshot with cupcakes and air guns. B2 is also good trip guarding his j3. He just hits hard with that gs
Ah I see. You brought up some great points for sure. Would you like to hear my thoughts on the MU?
Go ahead , I'm open to anything
Awesome, I agree with everything you said so far. I find this MU very interesting to say the least and is one of my personal favorites to play, against great Harleys of course. I find that this MU is very momentum-based and that at any part of the screen this can be clutched by either character.
Also MB roll is great and more rewarding but it does use a bar of meter and the timing is so weird lol but it's all about the practice.
Where have you been!?
FS, can very strongly counter zone her. His fireballs do way more damage and if the two characters only zoned he would end up winning. She has to approach him in the mu. Otherwise his lava ground thing can punish her trait if you're fast enough or you can use his fire charge thing to check her approach. His d1 is very good in stopping her shimmys and b2 range.
B1 is the counter to F23, it'll whiff punish and move her back if he tries it at start of round and midscreen
I personally use standing 1 to whiff punish F23 since B1 has to pretty much be used pre-emptively and 12 can be used on reaction.
yeah but he doesnt have MT full screen, and unless im using meter the fireball isnt going to beat out her gunshots..she can recover and duck them. her trait is a little risky to use definitely, but i dont see how he outzones her as he is weakest fullscreen
His fireball is faster and it does way more damage. He outzones her for sure, at least in my experience all the Firestorms that I've played have outzoned me and made me approach them. If she outzoned him she would want to stay fullscreen but even without fullscreen moltem trap he outzones her, of course in Moltem trap range it becomes even more in his favor.
hmmm ok..ill work on that aspect for a bit. thanks for the input
I'm backing up what sunfire said, that's exactly what I was going to reply with. Fs shouldn't have to approach Harley unless she has a major health leadhmmm ok..ill work on that aspect for a bit. thanks for the input
Firestorm's worst MU? Harley is really good, but I feel like she probably loses the MU. MT is a pain for her to deal with inside of it's range, he has a great wakeup that could care less about Harley's cross up attempts, and his projectile does way more damage than hers, so after a series of trades she will be forced to telegraph more attempts to get in. The only range where she beats FS is at full screen but, she still can't get a ton going there because her gunshot moves her forward so locking him down with gunshots isn't that great of an option.
Yeah you just need to work on blocking everything low and reacting to the overhead in spots where she will use it. Normally I use it after I train my opponent to respect an oki setup I typically go into a cross up on. Instead of neutral jump I will just go straight into a meaty f2.
if this is how you feel then you're definitely playing the matchup wrong. first off, you win literally every single trade in zoning and even win it more when you activate the db1 flame shield. your fireball does double the damage of her shots and have slightly more hit advantage and thats even without the flame shield. land an ex fireball and and you get a free trait activation where you win trades even more now while gaining health. if you see her jump up and do air guns you can always jump with her and do an air psycho crusher. d1 reaches farther than everything other than b2, f2, b3 and f3 so you can control that space pretty well also. also keep in mind that you can punish tantrum backdash with d1 because its literally the god and reaches for a mile. also keep in mind d1 xx tantrum has a 9 frame gap so if you're on point you will be able to interrupt any d1 cancel because her other options are straight shot, up shot, cupcake or command grab (which is the only would that could hit a crouching opponent but you poke her out of it anyway). i was losing to her a lot at first but i realized my defense just sucked against her and i tightened it up and ive been doing way better against her.
