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Balance patch changes (Major patch) discussion

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
Okay let's go, detailed.

Batman:

What? Why does Batman need a +6 on block string? Also shortening the gap size accomplishes very little because you can only backdash it or punish it with a fast parry anyway. Reducing the gap only changes the parry thing which is not necessary at all.
No I mean make it +4 it's already +6 (in game data says) and I mean it would affect parry but wouldn't back dashing still be a viable option?

What does one extra frame of block disadvantage accomplish exactly?
Well with the extra length possible a character size length added a extra frame added on would be a good compromise as if I said -5 2-3 Characters would be able to punish iirc

Green Lantern:

Eh... Lantern's B1 already has issues as it is. I won't deny it's an amazing normal but this would make the gap between B13 and B12 so big everyone could probably full combo both strings (if that's how this change would play out).
No make it -10 not in game data says it's -14... 25% of the cast can d1 punish into full combo already I think making it -10 would be perfect (explain how you'd go about this one also)

Not necessary as Lantern's D2 is already great.
It is good I agree I use it but sometime when I read a jump that D2 won't hit it be nice to have LM hit instead them landing in your palm and you gettin punished

Aquaman:

Pretty much universally agreed upon though I would prefer something like -3.
Ehh with -3 I can agree -1/-3 range is good it's not overkill

Disagree because this 2% is negligible and it doesn't change any of his other combos.
Maybe like a 5/6% damage reduction sound better?

Firestorm:

Does this accomplish anything really? Say trait takes 60 seconds to charge, it would now take 60/1.02=58.8 seconds fo charge?
Well I should've done percentages I think say 25% so now 45% to fully charge this will allow 2 full uses each round

Red Hood:

As a Red Hood player, unnecessary. Not denying it would be baller to have but giving him an 8-frame semi-invincibld wakeup mid with as much range as it has is a bit overkill.
Really I mean both mb options are duckable right iirc? But I think the back lunge sucks even in corner I mean it does nothing for him right?
Would make his 22 pressure quite a bit better, I'll take it.


Joker:

Good grief yes I need this.

Why a new string exactly instead of just adjusting his standing 2, standing 3 and F2 strings seeing as they are all mids already?
Well you could revamp them but wouldn't say F2 need a whole new remodel from hitbox to hit females and better start up? From what I've heard.
Same thing as before, but what does this accomplish if it's not special cancelable?

It's mix for his teeth funtoblockables
Atrocitus:

A bit unnecessary in my opinion, you can already stuff Atrocitus out of his MB rage charge if he ever does it.
You can but let's say you do block it is more of the example. Even though it is easy to counter

I hope you mean a lot more than just 1.5% of his entire bar because that won't do anything.
Well I can't really do the numbers on his because Ima science major lol me and math don't go together usually


Wonder Woman:

What the fuck no

Give her a free +5 mid string? I'll pass.
+3 I made a typo

Black Adam:

Does this accomplish much besides teaching Adam players not to disrespect their -3?
I mean with -5 it'll allow less of that d1 after -3 or D2 shit right?
Fully agree, plus on block (and possibly jailing) launching divekick should not be a thing.

Agreed.


Cheetah:

I'm always iffy on adding new strings, I prefer improving old ones.
Which string would preferably be revamped

Deadshot:

Agreed, 6-frame mid is a bit overkill as of now.


Blue Beetle:

I sure hope you don't mean his Bf3 in trait because with the pushback it has this would be really dumb frankly.
It's a free punish I've been punished every time I used it. With the armor I'll be fine it can remain -14

Dr. Fate:

Nerfing Fate? I disagree. DF1 is already -17 (though with virtually no blockstun) so most characters already get a free forward dash.
Well with this change I feel as if I get hit a lot after I do dash after I block successful
MB orb would be insanely good for Fate both in and out of trait. Do not agree.
Explain

Swamp Thing:

You sure? Each to their own but I don't agree. Swamp Thing needs help.
This one I had leave alone I had some ideas but I'm not sure if they'd be breaking the character
 

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
Anyone, and I mean anyone; top player to lowly casual, if you say Supergirl is balanced, fine the way she is or (god forbid) top/op, you don't know the MU and you are letting her get away with murder.
So by this statement you say she low tier?
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Atro nerfs are overkill imo. Pushblock already gets rid of 25% of the trait bar. His MB Rage Charge doesn't get him much. B2 string isn't that much of a factor when it gets pushblocked every time, but I wouldn't mind that nerf.

These changes also don't change the actual broke stuff like the corner restand or 50%+ corner combos.

All they really need to do is make him able to do less shields/shots when trait is up so he can't do the corner combos and spam them mindlessly. He'd be manageable then.
 
- Doctor Fate
• F2 is now 10F mid
• DF1 now has 3F of recovery added
• Heal orb lands on doctor fate and damage orb lands on opponent
Are you high? Does someone have your girl hostage?

Like I need to know how to respond to you.

The only way this happens and I don't riot is if red ankhs become lows. You made all of Fate's bad matchups even more difficult.
 

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
Black Canary has garbage neutral, you have no idea what you're talking about lmao. Possess an IQ above that of a manatee and then create balance threads, because last time I checked Harley buffs, "Swamp Thing is fine", and BC nerfs are the furthest thing from "reasonable" there is, so the only one leaving here should be you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Your pure garbage at the game I bet so your saying a character who WANTS to be up close if Im not mistaking "up close men's neutral/footsie range" lacks the tools to play there? So by this logic of the game was more neutral based and less zoning she be bad? You need to level up lol you probably play player matches and refuse to turn gear off fuck off the thread you must be some dumb ass who still can't delay her s2 or some trash player who can't manager gettin in on green lantern zoning. Or some retard who doesn't know anything about their character so they come to tym and bitch about why they can't win? Tell me if I'm right...
P.S. Not all them where buffs for Harley dad
P.S.S. I don't know how much to change or what to change for swamp thing so if you read in this thread I address that with several characters that's why I say "discuss" at the end
P.S.S. Level up your canary is poo cheese and belong in a trash can in fucking Wyoming under 2 tons of shit.
 
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South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
Are you high? Does someone have your girl hostage?

Like I need to know how to respond to you.

The only way this happens and I don't riot is if red ankhs become lows. You made all of Fate's bad matchups even more difficult.
How would you change fate?
 

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
Atro nerfs are overkill imo. Pushblock already gets rid of 25% of the trait bar. His MB Rage Charge doesn't get him much. B2 string isn't that much of a factor when it gets pushblocked every time, but I wouldn't mind that nerf.

These changes also don't change the actual broke stuff like the corner restand or 50%+ corner combos.

All they really need to do is make him able to do less shields/shots when trait is up so he can't do the corner combos and spam them mindlessly. He'd be manageable then.
I thought they fixed the restand in last patch? I would've noted it but what would you change?
 

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
I wouldn't. Maybe give us our trait throw combo back, but apart from the fact that I can't contend with deadshot, the RH matchup sucks, can't zone Superman, and F2 gets low profiled by cheetah/GL/Harley/CW - I'm fine.
Hmm well I used that throw tech it was good I would've left it as it could be read.
 

Temptress

Edenian Empress
Your pure garbage at the game I bet so your saying a character who WANTS to be up close if Im not mistaking "up close men's neutral/footsie range" lacks the tools to play there? So by this logic of the game was more neutral based and less zoning she be bad? You need to level up lol you probably play player matches and refuse to turn gear off fuck off the thread you must be some dumb ass who still can't delay her s2 or some trash player who can't manager gettin in on green lantern zoning. Or some (soap bar in my mouth) who doesn't know anything about their character so they come to tym and bitch about why they can't win? Tell me if I'm right...
P.S. Not all them where buffs for Harley dad
P.S.S. I don't know how much to change or what to change for swamp thing so if you read in this thread I address that with several characters that's why I say "discuss" at the end
P.S.S. Level up your canary is poo cheese and belong in a trash can in fucking Wyoming under 2 tons of shit.
Aw, somebody's a bit riled up. How adorable! Just a tip though, y'know, before you start acting tough on the interwebs: learn to differentiate between your and you're, it's pretty embarrassing and anyone with a post pre-school education should be capable of doing so.

Secondly, I don't even main Canary, or play her often; I play Ivy, Harley and Catwoman mostly. As for you thinking that just because Canary is a rushdown character, that automatically means she has a great neutral game; you're a moron and I can't help you here. Maybe lab her, look at the frame data and ranges on her normals, etc., best advice I can give to someone like you.

As for the other ad hominem vitriol, thanks for the laughs, lol!
 

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
Aw, somebody's a bit riled up. How adorable! Just a tip though, y'know, before you start acting tough on the interwebs: learn to differentiate between your and you're, it's pretty embarrassing and anyone with a post pre-school education should be capable of doing so.

Secondly, I don't even main Canary, or play her often; I play Ivy, Harley and Catwoman mostly. As for you thinking that just because Canary is a rushdown character, that automatically means she has a great neutral game; you're a moron and I can't help you here. Maybe lab her, look at the frame data and ranges on her normals, etc., best advice I can give to someone like you.

As for the other ad hominem vitriol, thanks for the laughs, lol!
1st omg it's the Internet not a 9th grade English test xD so I can say/spell how I want to believe it or not it's my phone so I can do that! Gasp* I know it's hard for you to comprehend that right?

2) if you don't main the character then don't discuss that character because you know NOTHING about the said character in my eyes and someone who posted in here is the most well known tym Canary and they didn't say anything so your point is invalid!

3) you were obviously ruled up lol you came in here trying bash people for no reason so gtfo

4) I bet I'd bop you so your whole point doesn't matter to me xD
 

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
Everything is so black and white with everyone.

No...she is not low tier.
I'm not trying sound black or white I want to discuss your position on where SG stands currently in your eyes! I don't know her placement so I put her as balanced leaving the changes to her community.
 

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
You need to go back through the OP and edit -- % means percent, not a multiplication. You use it for both and right now a lot of this is gibberish.
Sorry my math is booty butt cheeks I'll need a little time to do properly that's not unreasonable
 

DavesHotnJuicy

jmack_215
It really can be DF2 either way that input it's bad as it is in current form. And her thorns need help but I didn't include them because that's for the ivy community to say I know nothing of how y'all use them. And D2 is slow but isn't her best aa s2?
For an AA I use j2 or s1 into b2d2. I Never use thorns as it is now but it needs a buff!