No one is going to wait an entire year to start takking about tier lists (in any game). Lol
Plus, the game will be patched multiple times before then, so the meta will change.
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No one is going to wait an entire year to start takking about tier lists (in any game). Lol
No one is telling you to not talk about tier discussions. I advocate for discussions of tiers just not creating a tier list out of only a months worth of experience. That's just illogical.
Actually, you saying that something that isn't ok for anyone else is ok for SonicFox because he's Hollywood enough is exactly what elitism is, you just think that in this case it's justified, which is a purely subjective opinion as its simply where you personally chose to draw the line. Regardless, SonicFox having the best results does not automatically mean he has the highest understanding of the game either - he has a track record for outlandish statements that often turn out to be false or at best remain unproven. In many other sports including eSports, there are guys who don't even play the game who have equal or even larger grasp on competitive knowledge and understanding of the game - you think Phil Jackson could put it down on the court at all, or Rex Ryan would do anything other than get destroyed out there on the field? You see the same thing in the competitive eSports as well, and fighting games are no different, Sonic undoubtedly understands the game better than the average poster on this fuckin website, but his voice is by no means the gospel either and does not discount anybody from being right where he is wrong, and that goes to the other guy saying "anything SonicFox says is fact" which is the wackest, dickridingest statement I ever heard.
I'm not assuming a tier list can be factual, but I am stating that a tier list is based on elements of the game that are factual. Obviously a tier list cannot be factual in the sense of the word that most people use, it changes over time in accordance with the meta.
Usually tier discussions start with someone submitting their tier list. Then others say what they agree or disagree with, and adjustments are made. This isn't unusual.
That's great but at the end of the day its the words that count, not who's saying them
thats exactly what the problem is.
not really, any logical person would take it with a grain of salt.
Phil Jackson is a NBA champion as a player.....
I didn't know that haha I'm not from the U.S., had I referenced Australian names you guys would have had no idea what I'm talking about lol so I tried to throw some names you guys would know... regardless point still stands, plenty of other people in his position don't have that to their name, also, he definitely couldn't do it nowadays so the main point is that you can still have knowledge without being out there doing the physical work or even playing yourself, and thats pretty hard to dispute
Agreed I'm a basketball junkie and as a avid sports fan and sports debate show enthusiast your point is often argued but in this game where knowledge seem to bee power I tent to differ to Sonic fox on most issues.
i take it you meant "defer" to Sonic? because the way you wrote it means the opposite jst to let you know, took me a minute to work out what you meant. And yeah, I agree, Sonic isn't a bad person to listen to by any means, I'm just saying if he can have an opinion on something so can the rest of us mortals, and its very possible someone on here might be right where he is wrong (which he has been before like every other human). I'm just saying, where can people discuss this stuff if not the forum dedicated to it lol, and just because sonic says something doesn't immediately prove wrong all people who think otherwise, still gotta hear the explanation and see it in action first imo
dude Phil Jackson was coming off the bench for them he was a way better coach then player which made his statement even that much better.
I don't really see your point here. Yes, just because Sonicfox posted it does not mean it is fact. It is still entirely subjective. And as mentioned before, many people in here have disagreed with it or questioned it, so it is not like everyone's just agreeing. No tier list is "true" with very few exceptions, there are always arguments to be made and meta changes to be had.
Uhhh no he did both at a high level who's to say one didn't directly correlate to the other. he played at a high level and understands and can coach at one. There was just a tier list from game rant floating around on Facebook I didn't read it but the comments suggest that cyborg was better than black adam. Totally BS to us more seasoned players who probably play stiffer competition. Now imagine playing at a level higher then ours and being able to form an opinion because of that experience. And know what it takes to be effective. Granted I don't know what your level is. Ps coming of the bench in basketball isn't all that bad ask Manu Odom, Crawford. It's an important role
They don't have a distinct letttering probably because he doesn't know yet. The metas still early, those are just who he thinks are the top 10
In regard to the basketball analogies I PM'ed you my rebuttal. Also a passionate sports fan. in regard to the tier list you found on Facebook I would argue that TYM is far more then random people giving their opinion. I feel like the average TYM poster usually knows a BIT more and wants to learn MUCH more then a random guy on Facebook.
Ya that's my point we are more invested in the game more experienced more knowledgeable etc. Kinda like Sonic would be in giving his tier list and advice. He has the extra level of knowledge. I mean I understand deadshot is a problem but we view him as less if a problem after seeing the patience and defense needed to play against him which was demonstrated by top players.
I can't really speak for WB-chan but I think his point meet somewhere in the middle with yours. i would reference this back to history how. Aristotle and the great scientific minds(scientific council) at the time came to the conclusion the earth is flat. this way of thinking became law and fact and anyone who challenged this notion was looked down upon. example Gallileo who thought the earth is round. my intention of this is not to say that sonic fox or anyone of you guys are wrong. my intentions is to say anyone can be wrong and its up to us as a community to challenge and question each other no matter who that person might be.
This is wrong. Aristotle helped prove that Earth is spherical. Galileo was put in prison for going against the church's teachings.
my bad you are correct with Aristotle. I always get the greek philosophers mixed up i meant Socrates. and for galileo he was still looked down upon.
