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Tekken Master Changes for MKXL

Do you Agree with these changes ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 6.7%

  • No

    Votes: 111 93.3%
  • Total voters
    119
x-azeez

x-azeez

Bullet with your name on it
Triborg

B3D4U3 is -10 (( from -6 ))

Sektor

F212BB has more damage scaling

EX DD3 is plus 3 on hit

EX DD3 hits the front side only

EX DD3 is -20 on block (( from -13 ))

BF1 -12 on block (( from -8 ))

Cyrax

EX Net is -8 on block ((from -26 ))

Cyber Sub

Divekicks is more minus on block

Ice ball is -3 on block (( from -13 ))

Smoke

F4D1 is -10 on block (( from -3 ))

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Tremor

F121 is +1 on block (( from +2 ))

Rolling Stone - EX BF3 is +3 on block (( from +9 ))

Crystalline

EX dash/run cancel armor removed

EX DB2 has 2 hits of armor


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GORO

Dragon Fangs

spin - DB2 is -2 on block (( from -3 ))

Remove armor from EX Telestomp

B121 is 0 on block (( from +2 ))

Tigrar Fury

has less hitbox on BF1


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Jackie Briggs

Full auto

DF2 - Has 5f more Recovery

DF2 - is -20 on block (( from -10 ))

BF2 is -14 on block ((from -9 ))

F1 istartup is 12F (( from 15F ))

F2 Startup is15F from 17F

Stanky leg 4U4 is easier to input


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Hollywood

Remove invincibility frames from ex nut punch

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Raiden

EX DB2 is -12 on block (( from -2 ))

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D'vorah

Swarm Queen

Low Puddle - DB1 is +7 on block (( from +3 ))

Ex low puddle - EX DB1 is +20 on block (( from +1 ))

Venomous

Bug Spray DF1 is -18 on block (( from -23 ))


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Mileena

Sai BF1 has 3 more recovery frame

Sai is -10 on block (( from -8 ))


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Sub-Zero

Grand Master

Double the Cooldown on ice clone and ex clone from the current one.

Clone has 7 less recovery frames

EX Clone has 4 less recovery frames.

Slightly less scaling on ice clone

ice clone Doesn't go away on block

B2 is -17 on block from -13


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Kotal Kahn

B1 turns to mid (( from high ))

B122 is Mid,Mid,Mid (( from Mid,Mid,Overhead ))

114 xx air grab cancel is +2 on block (( from +4 ))

Sunstone DF3 revert back to prepatch. from 0 to +5 on block

EX DF3 revert back to prepatch. from +6 to +10 on block

Blood God

Obsidien Totem DB2 is reverted back to prepatch.

War God

Overhead sword - DB1 is 21F (( from 17F ))

DF2 Startup is 17F (( from 26F ))


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Scorpion

Teleport & EX Teleport has 23F startup split in two screens ... (( 7 frames from when he disappears from the first screen and 16 frames when he appears on the other screen )) ... now he disappears in 13 frames and appears on the other screen in 10 frames.

Teleport and EX Teleport Cancel while holding down has more recovery frames.

21 is -2

Teleport has slightly more damage scaling


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Ermac

B124 is -4 from 0

F34 is -5 from -1

Armor removed from EX BF2 (( EX Push ))


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Kitana

Fans has slightly more damage scaling

Mournful

Shadow kick DF4 does 10% damage (( from 6% ))

DF4 -10 on block (( from -6 ))


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Liu Kang

B12 is -10 from -3

DB2 is -4 from -2

EX DB2 -10 from -2

Flame Fist

FBF4 is +10 on hit (( from +50 ))

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Kenshi

Kenjutsu

DF1 is now Mid (( from Overhead ))

DF1 is 0 on block (( from -10 ))

Balanced

BF3 Startup is 10F(( from 14F ))

BF3 first hit does 5%/ second hit does .90%/ third hit does 2.61% ... (( from 3%/1.90%/ 3.61%))

EX BF3 Restand the opponent, also keeps its hit advantage of +25

BF2 is -5 on block (( from -10 ))

Possessed

Armor removed from EX DF4

EX BF2 is -10 (( from +3 ))


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Erron Black

Armour removed from EX Command Grab - EX DBF2

EX DBF2 does 20% Damage

F1 Startup is 19F (( from 23F ))

Gunslinger

Stand into 4 is now High,High (( from Mid,Mid ))

Stand into 4 has 4 Less Recovery Frames

Outlaw

Tarkatan Stab DF2/ EX DF2 is -5 on block (( from -23 ))

DF2 does 7% damage with 3% bleeding (( from 12% with 7% bleeding ))


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Kano

EX Upball - EX DB2 -11 (( from -5 ))


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Jax

EX BF2 has armour

F21 has more cancel advantage

F212 is -10 on block (( from -5 ))

F212 launches near jax for a follow-up combo

F212 has more damage scaling


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Kung Lao

Regular Teleport has more startup


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Shinnok

Shinnok Universal Changes

EX Shoulder - EX BF3 is -23 (( from -15 ))

Enhanced BF3 & EX BF3 is -20 on block

D4 has less cancel advantage

D1 startup is 7 frames

F223 has more cancel advantage

F4 is -1 on block (( from -7 ))

F3 startup is 11F (( from 13F ))

S1 Startup is 8F (( from 9 ))

Imposter

Mimicry steal:

Kotal: steal regular air grab

Cassie: steal current Regular nut punch

Necromancer

Devil's Flick - BF2 is -1 on block (( from -8 ))

BoneShaper

Dark Beam - BF1 is -11 on block (( from -9 ))

Dark Blast - EX BF1 is +5 on block (( from 0 ))


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Jason

D1 is -6 on block (( from -4 ))

Armour Removed from both Command Grabs (( EX DBF1 & EX DBF2 ))

Unstoppable

DD3 & EX DD3 doesn't break armours

Jason Doesn't return to life after death

Slasher

B1 startup is 7F (( from 9 ))

B12 is -10 on block (( from -9 ))

B122 is -10 on block (( from -9 ))


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Predator

D2 startup is 9F (( from 11F ))

B2 is now a mid (( from high ))

B2 reach is slightly reduced

D4 Startup is 11F (( from 8F ))

Hish-Qu-Ten

Add 3 Recovery frames to Straight Plasma - BF3

Straight Plasma - BF3 does 7% damage (( from %6 ))

Add 6 Recovery frames to low plasma - DB3

Low Plasma does 6% damage (( from 5% ))


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Alien

BF4 is -15 on block (( from -10 ))

BF4 damage is increased by 3%

Tarkatan

Armour Removed from EX BF2

DB2 is -9 on block (( from -13 ))


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Leatherface

F1 Startup is 9F (( from 7F ))

F1 is now a Mid (( from High ))

Berserker Stance has 3 more frames to cancel it
 
Eddy Wang

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
The changes on KL and scorpion are terrible, and i'm only talking about characters i main.
Scorpion's teleport is balanced, and the point of TP cancel its to ballsy read a strong commitment which gives scorpion time to recover on TP cancel and punish accordingly.

KL Teleport is already bad, bad startup, bad tracking, useless on block, jab punishable on reaction and he adds more startups, i really think tekken master didn't wrote any of this, and if he did, he is drunk and needs to go home.

#biased
 
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ismael4790

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Possessed expush is fine. There are other ways to fix exdf4 other than removing its armor.

Kenjutsu is bad enough, and instead of proposing useful things to help him (like improving his bad push/expush), he is actually nerfed here removing the respect to the overhead from mid range.

Changes proposed to Balanced are in the line of nrs changes: complementary and not addressing any of Balanced's true current problems.

Lack of Cage section hurts my eyes.

Double digits for swarm queen again? No, thanks.
 
NeroOps

NeroOps

Death Before Dishonor
Someone help this person with these match ups asap -_-
Making Jacqui's guns more negative -_-
Making SubZero ice clone not disappear after a hit on block -_-
All those changes to Shinnok -_-
Surprisingly Sonya wasn't even mentioned.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Tekken Master said:
Sub-Zero

Grand Master

Double the Cooldown on ice clone and ex clone from the current one.

Clone has 7 less recovery frames

EX Clone has 4 less recovery frames.

Slightly less scaling on ice clone

ice clone Doesn't go away on block

B2 is -17 on block from -13
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No, Ice Klone already has a limit of being used between the two Ice Klones in the combos. It's like asking for more nerf. Even when you use the EX Klone first you CANNOT summon a new Klone in the combos, not even to whiff.

No need for the EX Klone, because I already can use it for the RC. Just try B12xxEX IK, RUN, B12. The only problem would be the normal Klone. If they had it with less recovery frames, it would be an amazing RC, just like Unbreakable's Aura.

These would improve it a bit. It would be used for the AA stuff. When they hit low blocking SZ the Klone goes away, thus making them immune to the Klone.

I'm not going to comment on this, because I don't know how it would affect the combos, but B2 is already punishable as it is.
 
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NeroOps

NeroOps

Death Before Dishonor
x-azeez said:
Double the Cooldown on ice clone and ex clone from the current one.


Full-Auto must MB DF2 to make herself safe
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Then make Co-Sonya dive kick unblockable or with armor if ice clone can't disappear after hit on block. Her dive kick is her only way around his ice clone unless you back all the way to the corner and do her projectile from afar. If you do her projectile up close or mid range sub can slide and hit you or do jump 2 over the projectile.
Sub ice clone just need to disappear faster after its been put out, other than that his changes that he mentioned are shit sorry to say.

Jacqui guns can be bypassed by ducking. You just need to move forward slightly and duck each time when she uses her guns or run forward when they think you going to jump in because they might try to do up rocket. Half the time Jacqui players don't even do her BF2 so thats not even a worry when you're ducking and moving forward but you should still be cautious to block that or the ex version of the guns so you don't get hit by the rocket. Her zoning really isn't that hard to bypass so no need to make it negative.
If the character you're using has a teleport thats even easier to bypass it.
 
TrulyAmiracle

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
x-azeez said:
Full-Auto must MB DF2 to make herself safe
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It's already crazy unsafe as it is, so many characters can punish it from fullscreen and almost everyone can punish from midscreen. It's a fullscreen check and using it to zone is suicide as it is.
Bf2 change is also stupid. It's already unsafe, slow and super telegraphed.

I honestly can't agree with almost any of these changes, well I'll agree to making Stanky leg easier coz that's the only thing on here that makes sense..
 
DDutchguy

DDutchguy

Stand 4'ing airplanes out of the sky
x-azeez said:
DD3 & EX DD3 doesn't break armour
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x-azeez said:
Jason Doesn't return to life after death
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So Unstoppable becomes completely obsolete?

x-azeez said:
EX DB2 is -12 on block (( from -2 ))
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I mean I get that -2 on block makes EX-DB2 too easy to constantly throw out (especially with Thunder God's meter building), but -12 would make Raiden's wakeup game really bad outside of Displacer's EX-teleport. -7 I could live with, but -12 is too much.

x-azeez said:
B1 turns to mid (( from high )
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Without another change accompanying this, heavily disagree.
 
coconutshrimp

coconutshrimp

Damn vro, hadda mess with yo auntie
TrulyAmiracle said:
It's already crazy unsafe as it is, so many characters can punish it from fullscreen and almost everyone can punish from midscreen. It's a fullscreen check and using it to zone is suicide as it is.
Bf2 change is also stupid. It's already unsafe, slow and super telegraphed.

I honestly can't agree with almost any of these changes, well I'll agree to making Stanky leg easier coz that's the only thing on here that makes sense..
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Who punishes her DF2 or MB DF2 from full screen and how?
 
LaidbackOne

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
DDutchguy said:
So Unstoppable becomes completely obsolete?



I mean I get that -2 on block makes EX-DB2 too easy to constantly throw out (especially with Thunder God's meter building), but -12 would make Raiden's wakeup game really bad outside of Displacer's EX-teleport. -7 I could live with, but -12 is too much.



Without another change accompanying this, heavily disagree.
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Yes, because a mid, double armored special which hits all over the character being -2 is fair. N1
 
TrulyAmiracle

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
coconutshrimp said:
Who punishes her DF2 or MB DF2 from full screen and how?
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Simply neutral duck the bullets then do the move asap.
Kenshi can do bf spirit asshole. Quan can do Rune and obviously his Warlock nonsense and I think he can fuckin MB trance from fullscreen too, Jacqui can shoot back as a punish, Shinnok BS can do scoop from basically fullscreen.
A lot of teleports can do it as well but it's pretty tight, but it becomes free if she MBs it as there's a gap and it leaves her open for longer.
There is also the plethora of crouching moves that simply tell Jacqui to fuck off and go right under such as Jin's low chakram, Mileena's low sai, LK's low fireball, Reptile's and Sub's slides, Alien's crawl, and Triborg f3 (i think?)
Midscreen-ish many more characters can punish after the duck like Kotal with overhead sword, Sektor f3, Raiden superman, Kano ball, Ermac push or superman, Lasher's low swipe, Cage and Mournful shadow kick, Jax flypunch, Naginata Tanya b2 and so on.
There's also that trades are generally not in her favor as trades usually interrupt the df2 so she doesn't get full damage and in some super shitty cases they can even convert off the trade such as Ice ball, Cyrax net, Ermac soul ball etc etc
 
WarlordRenegade

WarlordRenegade

Founder of Team Renegade
The goro nerfs seem unessisary, he just recently became viable the last patch, he's far from being top. Yet we should nerf him back to scrap. If they remove the armor off ex stomp he won't even have a wake up for pressuring opponents unless he uses two bars basically??
 
coconutshrimp

coconutshrimp

Damn vro, hadda mess with yo auntie
TrulyAmiracle said:
Simply neutral duck the bullets then do the move asap.
Kenshi can do bf spirit asshole. Quan can do Rune and obviously his Warlock nonsense and I think he can fuckin MB trance from fullscreen too, Jacqui can shoot back as a punish, Shinnok BS can do scoop from basically fullscreen.
A lot of teleports can do it as well but it's pretty tight, but it becomes free if she MBs it as there's a gap and it leaves her open for longer.
There is also the plethora of crouching moves that simply tell Jacqui to fuck off and go right under such as Jin's low chakram, Mileena's low sai, LK's low fireball, Reptile's and Sub's slides, Alien's crawl, and Triborg f3 (i think?)
Midscreen-ish many more characters can punish after the duck like Kotal with overhead sword, Sektor f3, Raiden superman, Kano ball, Ermac push or superman, Lasher's low swipe, Cage and Mournful shadow kick, Jax flypunch, Naginata Tanya b2 and so on.
There's also that trades are generally not in her favor as trades usually interrupt the df2 so she doesn't get full damage and in some super shitty cases they can even convert off the trade such as Ice ball, Cyrax net, Ermac soul ball etc etc
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A lot of what you stated aren't punishes. Only punishes comes from the low profiling projectiles and slides that not every has and the gap that not everyone can exploit. Only people that can really exploit that gap are TP characters. The whole trades with Soul Ball, Ice Ball etc. Thing is a stupid argument because the purpose of those moves are to win every trade so complaining about how you lose a soul ball trade is stupid.

Are you just trying to spread misinfo for buffs? ik you know Kenshi can't punish, Quan can't punish, Kano can't punish, Johnny can't punish, Koyal can't punish with overhead sword, Tanya can't punish with B2, Shinnok can't punish. The move is minus 10 and all those moves you said these characters can use are slower than 10 frames
 
UPR_Nova

UPR_Nova

Noob
The fuck would we nerf Goro and buff D'Vorah? I haven't even played the game seriously beyond the patch and I just seriously read this? I'm done.
 
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