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Humongousfungus!

Noob
I was curious after I got blew up by a great player, which character is the most plus?

Well it's a 2 part question, who's the most naturally plus and who is the most plus via the use of run cancelling?
 
SonicNinja3532

SonicNinja3532

The Wannabe Prodigy
Humongousfungus! said:
I was curious after I got blew up by a great player, which character is the most plus?

Well it's a 2 part question, who's the most naturally plus and who is the most plus via the use of run cancelling?
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I think via run cancels its still johnny, pretty sure s4 skrc is still like +17/18.
In terms of naturally plus, barely anyone has a string that is more than +2, I can't think of anyone who does. Most other plus frames come from big legs which range from +4 to around +10, and a few ex specials like Lao and D'vorah. I can't think of exact numbers, but the most plus special is probably d'vorah or something, maybe someone else can correct me.
 
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Humongousfungus!

Noob
SonicNinja3532 said:
I think via run cancels its still johnny, pretty sure s4 skrc is still like +17/18.
In terms of naturally plus, barely anyone has a string that is more than +2, I can't think of anyone who does. Most other plus frames come from big legs which range from +4 to around +10, and a few ex specials like Lao and D'vorah. I can't think of exact numbers, but the most plus special is probably d'vorah or something, maybe someone else can correct me.
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Thanks for the reply, yeah I'm not a natural at this game I'm defensively minded I sit back and wait to whiff punish, however if I match up against a decent player I don't know when it's my turn and end up mashing like a fool. Maybe those +2 strings are to blame (and not my lack of skill...)
 
FinalBoss_FGC

FinalBoss_FGC

Day -4MONTHS Dual Jin main
Humongousfungus! said:
Thanks for the reply, yeah I'm not a natural at this game I'm defensively minded I sit back and wait to whiff punish, however if I match up against a decent player I don't know when it's my turn and end up mashing like a fool. Maybe those +2 strings are to blame (and not my lack of skill...)
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It's MKX dude. Don't respect 99% of everything. D1 because fuck the other guy.

You think +2 matters when they're starting their pressure string with a high? It dont.

So d1, stop respecting.

MKX rewards maniacs.
 
The_Tile

The_Tile

Your hole is mine!
Humongousfungus! said:
Thanks for the reply, yeah I'm not a natural at this game I'm defensively minded I sit back and wait to whiff punish, however if I match up against a decent player I don't know when it's my turn and end up mashing like a fool. Maybe those +2 strings are to blame (and not my lack of skill...)
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Doing your homework is half of the battle in fighting games really, don't try to learn all the frame data at once but whenever something feels plus or a character gives you trouble just pop into practice mode as that character after the game and check their frame data as it's in the pause menu in game. Learning it bit by bit makes it easier to digest so you won't forget it as often.

After you learn the frame data that's when the real fighting and learning begins.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
CoRzus said:
It's MKX dude. Don't respect 99% of everything. D1 because fuck the other guy.

You think +2 matters when they're starting their pressure string with a high? It dont.

So d1, stop respecting.

MKX rewards maniacs.
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Lol why are you letting salt translate into advice on a forum? It depends on the character. If your fastest combo starting non-high is 13 frames, like Kung Jin, and you're +4 or +5, you better be ready for people to swing D1s on you. It's not maniac at all really. What's the risk? Eating another D1? You wouldn't have this issue with Sektor if you used F2 more like a G.

Now against Raiden or Shinnok? That shit is maniaccccccccccccc boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
SonicNinja3532 said:
Yeah actually this is the most plus run cancel, think it's slightly less plus now though, more like +22 or something.
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+20 flat now. I think a lot of the Hellfire players opt for 123(+7) though because it has no gap and can be converted off of. If someone eats the last hit of 214, it just resets the neutral, unless you make a god read with a teleport.
 
Wigy

Wigy

There it is...
Tweedy said:
Lol why are you letting salt translate into advice on a forum? It depends on the character. If your fastest combo starting non-high is 13 frames, like Kung Jin, and you're +4 or +5, you better be ready for people to swing D1s on you. It's not maniac at all really. What's the risk? Eating another D1? You wouldn't have this issue with Sektor if you used F2 more like a G.

Now against Raiden or Shinnok? That shit is maniaccccccccccccc boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Unless you're mileena or sektor etc and ur fast poke low profiles fucking everything
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
Wigy said:
Unless you're mileena or sektor etc and ur fast poke low profiles fucking everything
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Well yeah, then you gotta give em that true but a bit more riskier mid(F4 if we're still talking about Sektor).

Cassie is the worst. At least with Mileena you can block her and beat the next with a throw.
 
Wigy

Wigy

There it is...
Tweedy said:
Well yeah, then you gotta give em that true but a bit more riskier mid(F4 if we're still talking about Sektor).

Cassie is the worst. At least with Mileena you can block her and beat the next with a throw.
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I'll really biased. Mileena could probably beat bo rai cho with her d3 and roll alone. That matchup is so fucking bleh.

online its near impossible to hit the jail off his d1/d3 into f1
 
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FinalBoss_FGC

FinalBoss_FGC

Day -4MONTHS Dual Jin main
Tweedy said:
Lol why are you letting salt translate into advice on a forum? It depends on the character. If your fastest combo starting non-high is 13 frames, like Kung Jin, and you're +4 or +5, you better be ready for people to swing D1s on you. It's not maniac at all really. What's the risk? Eating another D1? You wouldn't have this issue with Sektor if you used F2 more like a G.

Now against Raiden or Shinnok? That shit is maniaccccccccccccc boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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I've been using F2 frequently lol I get told I'm a maniac when I d1 out of +5 or lower so I'm translating it lol

I was largely right tho, many inexperienced players will follow up + frames with fastest safe string which is most of the times a high starter
 
Eddy Wang

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Tweedy said:
Lol why are you letting salt translate into advice on a forum? It depends on the character. If your fastest combo starting non-high is 13 frames, like Kung Jin, and you're +4 or +5, you better be ready for people to swing D1s on you. It's not maniac at all really. What's the risk? Eating another D1? You wouldn't have this issue with Sektor if you used F2 more like a G.

Now against Raiden or Shinnok? That shit is maniaccccccccccccc boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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The maniac in you wants you to press that 7f low profiling d1 on frame traps, come on, you know you want to.
lmao.
 
Hiyomoto

Hiyomoto

Noob
I've been raged at by Johnny players for poking out of their pressure but if their execution was good, I would've ate shit for trying to poke. So I'd say Johnny.
 
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