Stahp.
"solid mid tier"Cyrax is a solid mid tier. Like 100% smack bang in the middle. Stop this downplay lads.
Could be wrong. I think the main reason Shaolin was good pre-patch was because you could just safely 50/50 potato to victory but now you can't. Could be wrong though.Shaolin worse than ancestral and bojutsu??
Lmao he is still safe on damn near everything, I'll wait and see if more people comment on it though, I'm not proCould be wrong. I think the main reason Shaolin was good pre-patch was because you could just safely 50/50 potato to victory but now you can't. Could be wrong though.
Shaolin is better than Bojutsu. Has better tools. Better matchups. Handles zoning better.Could be wrong. I think the main reason Shaolin was good pre-patch was because you could just safely 50/50 potato to victory but now you can't. Could be wrong though.
"Please be truthful" haha. I may move him down to B+, but I think B is going too far, that tier is reserved for literal dumpster fires of a character.Hat Trick is not A.
I'm sorry if anyone think this character has tools to be at the very least A, but no, as long as his frame traps are all -6 at the very least (this includes call back meterless on block and hat traps from every cancel) with the current walkspeed and backdash, minus buttons and traps Hat Trick will never past the B tier.
I play this character at the highest level and i can assure you, if anyone has the patience to use an 11f mid on every trap KL places, he will never be able to counter with anything else, which in turn beats practically almost all his options and he is forced to play without it instead.
please be trufull and remove Hat Trick from A tier please, that is not the place where he belongs, he is B at highest level.
Stirring the pot
Shit is depressing when seeing outlaw go down like that. What is the playstyle as outlaw right now, honestly?
it's statements like this that really bother me. when you say gimmick it implies that if i know the match up i shouldn't be having trouble with it which is bullshit.Cyrax's set-ups are gimmicks
But if you know the match up, you can recognise the set-up and either tech roll or delayed wake up every single one of them for a risk free way out of every oki set-up he has except for EX-Saw ones... and that costs a bar. It's a gimmick.it's statements like this that really bother me. when you say gimmick it implies that if i know the match up i shouldn't be having trouble with it which is bullshit.
Inferno is super unsafe and to get that meterless damage, u either gotta commit to his super unsafe 50/50s or get a punish. Not to mention, scorpion doesnt have a true vortex as f4 and b3 can be fuzzy guarded after the teleport restand. Also, inferno has a poor neutral, with d4 being his best normal. As for Grandmaster bad mus, Kenshi, Kitana and maybe even Mileena are tough matchups for him.Yes let's, inferno is not a bad variation in it's own right, it has Scorpion's base toolset for starters which is among the best in the game, solid meterless damage, a meterless vortex, good mobility etc. The main reason he is considered bad is that hellfire and ninjutsu are just much better. He's not bad, he's just irrelevant, similar to how Cyrax is not bad either, he's just irrelevant when you have Smoke and Sektor
Mileena barely got touched in the patch at all, I mean seriously she got a slap on the wrist at best, she's still super strong and able to play the game from anywhere on screen.
Grandmaster is SUPER strong now I mean c'mon, db1 is safe now and Alien, one of his hardest matchups pre-patch got fixed by the tail hitbox. Literally everything he does can be cancelled into db1 and be completely safe (apart from b2) and he has 40% combos off every touch in the corner with the clone, also his overhead didn't get slowed down at all, so guess wrong and you're dead. Seriously his corner game has always been great but now with the faster d1 and safe db1 he has become insane, second only to Dragon Breath Bo in corner potential I say (I may be biased haha). Name for me three of Grandmaster's bad matchups please.
and if he does f3 to catch your back dash/roll. there's so many options he has if you try to get out like bruh he can read that shit and make you have to eat 2 hard to blockables than combo you don't get out for free it's all a read. in the corner you're just fucked he can cover every option and you just have to blockBut if you know the match up, you can recognise the set-up and either tech roll or delayed wake up every single one of them for a risk free way out of every oki set-up he has except for EX-Saw ones... and that costs a bar. It's a gimmick.
Kitana does not beat grandmaster at allAs for Grandmaster bad mus, Kenshi, Kitana and maybe even Mileena are tough matchups for him.
These are all problems that all of Scorpion's variations have so I don't see why you think these make inferno bad and not the other two.Inferno is super unsafe and to get that meterless damage, u either gotta commit to his super unsafe 50/50s or get a punish. Not to mention, scorpion doesnt have a true vortex as f4 and b3 can be fuzzy guarded after the teleport restand. Also, inferno has a poor neutral, with d4 being his best normal. As for Grandmaster bad mus, Kenshi, Kitana and maybe even Mileena are tough matchups for him.
for starters its 1 HTB, and F3 doesn't punish a tech roll. And, once again, in the corner you can tech roll and beat every meterless HTB.and if he does f3 to catch your back dash/roll. there's so many options he has if you try to get out like bruh he can read that shit and make you have to eat 2 hard to blockables than combo you don't get out for free it's all a read. in the corner you're just fucked he can cover every option and you just have to block
He might be slightly better than Outlaw of course, but this doesn't change the real struggle the character faces."Please be truthful" haha. I may move him down to B+, but I think B is going too far, that tier is reserved for literal dumpster fires of a character.
As a Erron main its unfortunate to say that Outlaw is just a dead varationShit is depressing when seeing outlaw go down like that. What is the playstyle as outlaw right now, honestly?