Why in your opinion is Cryo busted?
You could have said no again, we could have gone on and on for hours... too bad.Why in your opinion is Cryo busted?
I agree. Watching some people fight possessed, its like nobody labs the match up.. And then complain that its top 5 broken this and that. There are options for everything he does, if people spent time in the lab they would find this out.Why is Possessed top 10?
I haven't seen any reasons besides "Tweedy can't be doing well with a character that isn't busted".
Low demon is as if not more reactable than Scorpion's F4. His counterpoking is probably the worst in MKX with a D1 that gets low profiled and his fastest usable mid being 13 frames. He makes up for that in busted armor, but does that really make him top 10? Imo he's top 15 at most atm. It's not like anyone is gonna prove otherwise either. EVERY Kenshi signed up yesterday. Just because I make top 8, doesn't mean that the character is broke. Maybe i'm just good at the video game?
Heavy ping, if the other player doesn't know the match, etc, make the character stronger, but I don't feel like this is unique to Possessed. It's not like anyone in this community labs. Look at 90% of Hayatei's tournament runs since Canada Cup 2015. No one knows the Ronin match ups besides like the top 10-12 players at majors. Same goes for Possessed. Those people even tell me that the character is INCREDIBLY overrated.
Balanced imo is almost as good as Possessed.
You can d2, armor, backdash (some characters can low profile or low poke) any tele cancel minus 42 tele and 421 tele. 42 and 421 u can armor and backdash and some characters can still low profile it. How is it broken? Lab man.so so juicy
even juicier and imo not true at all. what's good about possessed
-busted armor
-busten teleport pressure
what's good about balanced? i don't play him or fight any good balanced post patch
Do you know the option select for the tick throws? The command grab risk/reward will never be in Sub-Zero's favor regardless of it launching or not. The damage is nothing out of the ordinary. Ji1 is fucked up admittedly. His neutral and footsies outside of D4 is mediocre at best. Sub relies on the klone to take neutral out of the equation because that's his biggest flaw. He's a good character don't take this the wrong way but he's definitely not top tier.You could have said no again, we could have gone on and on for hours... too bad.
Seriously though, he has endless mixups, good damage, ends everything in an hard knockdown, great mobility and for the love of god that ji1. Besides command grabs that lead to full combo just shouldn't exist.
Then, why in your opinion is Cryo not busted?
I play Kenjutsu like that, with the occasional 50/50, and throwing people left and right with Tele-Toss. It is fun.Balanced's gameplan should revolve around mid range footsies, staggering at +2 or -1 rather than cancelling into something, hit confirming 421, lots of throws, shimmies, etc.
Just read the Kenshi general discussion. They're too obsessed with trying to zone and cancelling into something. They'd rather cancel into push and be -10, than just stagger 421 or B1 and be +2/-1.
They want Balanced to be something that it's not. It's cool to be mad at the character's design, but that doesn't make the character bad.
Lius air game is not good tbh. B2 is a free af mixup that u can hit 3-4 times before people catch on (and then you can get them with f44). His armor is not pathetic but its nothing great. 2 hits of armor and safe is awesome. But u can literally mash low poke and low profile it or njp it. I cant allow liu downplay to commence. But i cant stand by and watch upplay either lol. Hes in my top 10 free though.But really though B2 is a free overhead basically because anyone with half a brain is always blocking low, everyone except Ermac and Mileena get bodied by jump kicks, he has a safe 2 hit "pathetic" armor attack.
His air game isn't good but his D2 is one of the best in the game and it shouldn't be listed as a con everLius air game is not good tbh. B2 is a free af mixup that u can hit 3-4 times before people catch on (and then you can get them with f44). His armor is not pathetic but its nothing great. 2 hits of armor and safe is awesome. But u can literally mash low poke and low profile it or njp it. I cant allow liu downplay to commence. But i cant stand by and watch upplay either lol. Hes in my top 10 free though.
He knows possessed, not Balanced. But he likes to talk no matter if he knows what he's talking about or not, as many tym members.I like how Tweedy says Balanced is almost as good as Possessed and then everyone is like "lol ok sure thing bro" and then he's asked to explain why and gives some valid points and then everyone is like "lol ok sure" again. Where are the counter arguments at? I'm honestly inclined to believe Tweedy at his word on this, I've seen his Kenshi, he knows the character.
By all means though please post a counter argument to what has been said instead of just saying "lol anyone who thinks balanced is good is braindead".
I agree.. ever... EVER. That d2 is God. Also his d3 is ridiculous as well. Can low profile a ton of things even jump ins. Plus his walk speed is insane so trip guards and shimmies are easy. Yeah that d2 downplay is gross lolHis air game isn't good but his D2 is one of the best in the game and it shouldn't be listed as a con ever
This is wrong on so many levels.Balanced's gameplan should revolve around mid range footsies, staggering at +2 or -1 rather than cancelling into something, hit confirming 421, lots of throws, shimmies, etc.
Just read the Kenshi general discussion. They're too obsessed with trying to zone and cancelling into something. They'd rather cancel into push and be -10, than just stagger 421 or B1 and be +2/-1.
They want Balanced to be something that it's not. It's cool to be mad at the character's design, but that doesn't make the character bad.
Pretty much my opinion on Kenshi as a whole.This is wrong on so many levels.
Nobody is even talking about Balanced Kenshi zoning anymore, coz there is nothing to talk about. Its bad, situational at best.
The problem with Balanced Kenshi is the fact his core tools are mediocre at best and that variations adds to it almost nothing beside EX Push.
His 4,2(1) string is slow as fuck and starts with high in a game where many characters have advancing strings (with gaps but nobody cares about them anymore) as fast as 7-9 frames. B1 is okish coz its -1 on block, other then that nothing to write home about, pretty slow (13f) and there is no way anybody gonna hit confirm it, not to mention its not a true mid (althou thats a common thing).
His poking game is just abysmal (Kenshi in general) and his backdash... what backdash?
There is no mind games vs Balanced Kenshi, block low, tech throws and bully him on oki usually baiting EX Push which is easy to jump over and even if blocked does nothing for him.
Balanced Kenshi is like Kenshi without any variation really, the only thing worth mentioning that it adds is again EX Push.
There is pletora of characters/variations in the game which are better by miles in mid range / neutral then Balanced Kenshi that's the reality.
I agree with you thou that Possessed is vastly overrated but i disagree with the statement that Balanced Kenshi is almost as good as Possessed. The last one at least has usable overhead and godlike armor + teleport gimmick. Balanced only have mediocre / bad core Kenshi moves (which all variation have obviously) + EX Push.
This is some serious downplay here.This is wrong on so many levels.
Nobody is even talking about Balanced Kenshi zoning anymore, coz there is nothing to talk about. Its bad, situational at best.
The problem with Balanced Kenshi is the fact his core tools are mediocre at best and that variations adds to it almost nothing beside EX Push.
His 4,2(1) string is slow as fuck and starts with high in a game where many characters have advancing strings (with gaps but nobody cares about them anymore) as fast as 7-9 frames. B1 is okish coz its -1 on block, other then that nothing to write home about, pretty slow (13f) and there is no way anybody gonna hit confirm it, not to mention its not a true mid (althou thats a common thing).
His poking game is just abysmal (Kenshi in general) and his backdash... what backdash?
There is no mind games vs Balanced Kenshi, block low, tech throws and bully him on oki usually baiting EX Push which is easy to jump over and even if blocked does nothing for him.
Balanced Kenshi is like Kenshi without any variation really, the only thing worth mentioning that it adds is again EX Push.
There is pletora of characters/variations in the game which are better by miles in mid range / neutral then Balanced Kenshi that's the reality.
I agree with you thou that Possessed is vastly overrated but i disagree with the statement that Balanced Kenshi is almost as good as Possessed. The last one at least has usable overhead and godlike armor + teleport gimmick. Balanced only have mediocre / bad core Kenshi moves (which all variation have obviously) + EX Push.
I like it, I would put both smoke and sektor in number 2 and switch kitana with scorpion and it would be perfect.Decided to do a tier list for this version of MKX. Enjoy.
*Top 5 is in Order*
1. Shinnok (Imposter)
2. Triborg (Smoke)
3. Jason (Relentless/ Unstoppable)
4. Jacqui Briggs (Full Auto)
5. Raiden (Displacer)
*Not in Order*
6. Ermac
7. Tanya
8. Scorpion
9. Mileena
10. Sub Zero
First of all i didnt say 4,2,1 is a bad string don't put words in my mouth i said its slow, coz it is. And i gave reasons for that as well.This is some serious downplay here.
B1 is "okay" lol and his poking is abysmal?
421 is a bad string now?
Nobody can zone in this game, even pyro tanya has to rushdown when she can. Balanced can zone well enough for MKX
We're in a game where Mystic ermac is struggling to make top 10, some characters are going to be just worse. Balanced Kenshi, isn't top 10, but you make it sound like has no useful tools at all. This isn't the case and Tw33dy is just trying to point out that possessed is a solid variation and balanced isn't too far behind it. I see no problem with this statement.
You implied it was bad by using the reason that is it slow. B1 super solid, I don't even see how it is 'decent' but it gets the job done for what it's used for.First of all i didnt say 4,2,1 is a bad string don't put words in my mouth i said its slow, coz it is. And i gave reasons for that as well.
B1 is decent nothing more. 13F startup is really nothing to write home about. -1 on block is the best thing about it.
Kenshi poking game is bad and Tweedy said the same i just agree with him. Read his statement above.
There is no downplaying here. Possessed isn't even top 10 imo and Balanced is behind him, imo far behind not close like Tweedy said but everybody is entitled to their opinion.
Like i said many times - looking forward to the day somebody gonna pick up Balanced and prove me wrong but sadly as we approach EOL for MK XL its becoming more and more unlikely.
Careful that guy who said he was done with TYM, for reason unknown, is still on TYM.No clue why nobody talks about dragon fire for top 10 contender.
Interesting, I along with everyone else was sure that Kitana would be top 10 after the October 4th Patch, but now that game has adjusted, it's very easy to say that she is not top 10, now this doesn't mean she isn't good, just look at Tremor, Reptile, Liu, etc. I think Sektor tagging along with Smoke is very debatable because I just don't see the big fuss over Sektor. Tbh it all started when Sonic put him in his top 5.I like it, I would put both smoke and sektor in number 2 and switch kitana with scorpion and it would be perfect.
I'm more interested, in how you don't think sektor is top 5? For me, Sektor is stronger than smoke.Interesting, I along with everyone else was sure that Kitana would be top 10 after the October 4th Patch, but now that game has adjusted, it's very easy to say that she is not top 10, now this doesn't mean she isn't good, just look at Tremor, Reptile, Liu, etc. I think Sektor tagging along with Smoke is very debatable because I just don't see the big fuss over Sektor. Tbh it all started when Sonic put him in his top 5.