Match-Up Discussion - Kano Cutthroat no longer the strongest variation (IMO)

[Osagri]

Hes a grappler. Grapplers generally dont get strong midscreen damage. They dont need to.

Bruh

 

[omooba]

Bruh

i actually forgot this was a thing but still his meterless midscreen dmg is depressing

 

[Mikemetroid]

I don't think there is a strongest one, I think hes pretty even across his three variations.

 

[LaidbackOne]

i actually forgot this was a thing but still his meterless midscreen dmg is depressing

But he builds meter like crazy so it really doesn't matter.

 

[SPY]

Hello guys! Didn't played Commando Kano for a while. He still have whiff problems with Choke, EXknife toss and Kounter must be reversed on certain strings\normals(like high hit must be low parried) and more importantly his command grabs still whiff on certain (non airborne) strings\normals?

 

[EntropicByDesign]

I dont have an educated opinion, but I know that Commando seems amazing. I just came back (sets anyone? Im terrible) and what little Ive managed to play him so far (three matches total, whheeeee) Ive had a BLAST.

Also, if anyone can point me to POST PATCH Commando match footage, Id super appreciate it.

 

[MsMiharo]

I've said this before but in this new meta I think commando > the others. He still has some shit MU's so he isn't the go to character/variation for all your matches but in general this meta fits him like a glove. He still has great armor breaking options and can deal with 2 hits of armor easily and for free. Furthermore he has the best wake up game in the game. Block my safe 2 hitting WU? I grab you. Try to neutral jump my grab? I choke/upball you, etc.

Him getting 2 hits of armor is peachy, especially since he builds bar quite easily. But the stamina change and the higher priority on anti-air really makes him stronger. Knives and 22 string are great for spacing (not as good as CT's db1 but close. Also better on block/can cancel into plus frames).

All in all he just plays the current game the best of the three variations

 

[UsedForGlue]

Lol at the poll statistics.

 

[big j gleez]

Some characters can't punish Cut throat's b1 very well or at all. For these match ups cut throat is the goods. I think cybernetic overall is the best variation at this point though. I am considering learning the character actually.

 

[omooba]

But he builds meter like crazy so it really doesn't matter.

definitely matters dude so after we break quan chi just throws out trance and worst he has to worry about is 20%? bruh people like ermac would just go to town after breakers. considering he already has to make so many reads to end a match this isn't a problem he should have

 

[Osagri]

definitely matters dude so after we break quan chi just throws out trance and worst he has to worry about is 20%? bruh people like ermac would just go to town after breakers. considering he already has to make so many reads to end a match this isn't a problem he should have

20% isn't that bad and 22xxknife set's u up for raw command grab or or pressure. It's after the 20+% they need to worry about

 

[Matador Fiend]

bruh kotal hits 40's 1 bar and over 30 meterless
jason does around 30 meterless over 40 with the buff meterless
ferra/torr does mid 30's 1 bar
subzero does mid 30's
goro does mid 30's
even jax who's supposed to do shitty meterless dmg midscreen does around 30 meterless and mid 30's 1 bar
and even fucking no midscreen dmg having cassie can do around 30 midscreen meterless

kano's max meterless punish midscreen is 20% and for a bar he gets 30% so when you say grapplers i don't know WHO THE FUCK you're talking about

Different characters are different? Last i recalled, jason dodsnt have a good projectile outside of slasher and none of those other cats have a parry like kanos or a 2 frame instant air ball overhead

 

[LaidbackOne]

definitely matters dude so after we break quan chi just throws out trance and worst he has to worry about is 20%? bruh people like ermac would just go to town after breakers. considering he already has to make so many reads to end a match this isn't a problem he should have

You do realise that commando is a totaly different character right? Derpy logic is derpy.

 

[NHDR]

My pick is still CT. He has the most range, is mostly safe, and has excellent come-back potential. And unless the top players have no clue what to do, I'm still seeing his B1 string go unpunished quite often. I do think Commando is legit and most likely just as good as CT, but I'm not buying into the Cyber hype. Solid character still but not the superior variation.

 

[omooba]

Different characters are different? Last i recalled, jason dodsnt have a good projectile outside of slasher and none of those other cats have a parry like kanos or a 2 frame instant air ball overhead

if you look at the risk/reward of all those characters vs kano's theirs is a lot better which is why they're all better than kano. the stuff you mentioned is why the character is decent but it's still no reason his dmg should be so low like come on 20%?

You do realise that commando is a totaly different character right? Derpy logic is derpy.

you're literally not saying anything productive or even meaningful.

20% isn't that bad and 22xxknife set's u up for raw command grab or or pressure. It's after the 20+% they need to worry about

2,2 knife doesn't give you 20% only 1,1,2 chock gives you that. 2,2 knife is about 14% or so. So what you're saying is he gets 14% plus either 17% if they guess wrong coming to 31% meterless after a reset that can be full combo punished...

 

[Error]

bruh kotal hits 40's 1 bar and over 30 meterless
jason does around 30 meterless over 40 with the buff meterless
ferra/torr does mid 30's 1 bar
subzero does mid 30's
goro does mid 30's
even jax who's supposed to do shitty meterless dmg midscreen does around 30 meterless and mid 30's 1 bar
and even fucking no midscreen dmg having cassie can do around 30 midscreen meterless

kano's max meterless punish midscreen is 20% and for a bar he gets 30% so when you say grapplers i don't know WHO THE FUCK you're talking about

Jason is more likely getting mid to high 20% meterless at most if we're talking Unstoppable/Relentless unless they manage to stun with their 21 frame high or have buffs active.

Yeah Kano's meterless damage seems weak compared to these other grapplers, but he has other tools to make up for it, he has a good projectile, the best AA game, the best WU game, great defense and strong oki. 32% for a bar + oki/corner carry is fine imo.

 

[Rude]

bruh kotal hits 40's 1 bar and over 30 meterless
jason does around 30 meterless over 40 with the buff meterless
ferra/torr does mid 30's 1 bar
subzero does mid 30's
goro does mid 30's
even jax who's supposed to do shitty meterless dmg midscreen does around 30 meterless and mid 30's 1 bar
and even fucking no midscreen dmg having cassie can do around 30 midscreen meterless

kano's max meterless punish midscreen is 20% and for a bar he gets 30% so when you say grapplers i don't know WHO THE FUCK you're talking about

That's funny because I've seen one bar 36% combos from Commando midscreen.

Huh.

 

[Tweedy]

How could Alien ever get 30% midscreen off of any punish midscreen with no bar?

Not sure if it's that big of a deal. Just stay on top of them and mix.

 

[omooba]

That's funny because I've seen one bar 36% combos from Commando midscreen.

Huh.

pretty sure i already said he can get 40% but wtv

Jason is more likely getting mid to high 20% meterless at most if we're talking Unstoppable/Relentless unless they manage to stun with their 21 frame high or have buffs active.

Yeah Kano's meterless damage seems weak compared to these other grapplers, but he has other tools to make up for it, he has a good projectile, the best AA game, the best WU game, great defense and strong oki. 32% for a bar + oki/corner carry is fine imo.

just compare kano to jason the only thing we really beat him in clean is zoning and he beats kano in a lot of stuff so no that doesn't make it ok to be doing 20% meterless come on guys 20% just think of how many reads he has to make to end a game but yeah i'll stop now. that's my opinion.

 

[Gofer_MK]

For me, Cutthroat is still the best. He has everything that a character needs to have in order to compete for the top spot in this game.

 

[Gengar]

Commando has 2 hit armor on almost all of his special moves. Power slam does 19% which is i believe the most damaging armor move
Discuss!

Pumped up Jax EX gotcha does like 22% if you get all the hits.

 

[Parasurama]

For me, Cutthroat is still the best. He has everything that a character needs to have in order to compete for the top spot in this game.

Except against Sub Zero Grandmaster......

 

[Osagri]

if you look at the risk/reward of all those characters vs kano's theirs is a lot better which is why they're all better than kano. the stuff you mentioned is why the character is decent but it's still no reason his dmg should be so low like come on 20%?

you're literally not saying anything productive or even meaningful.

2,2 knife doesn't give you 20% only 1,1,2 chock gives you that. 2,2 knife is about 14% or so. So what you're saying is he gets 14% plus either 17% if they guess wrong coming to 31% meterless after a reset that can be full combo punished...

22xxknife is 17%

 

[omooba]

22xxknife is 17%

my bad 34% total after a reset

 

[LeftOverShark]

bruh kotal hits 40's 1 bar and over 30 meterless
jason does around 30 meterless over 40 with the buff meterless
ferra/torr does mid 30's 1 bar
subzero does mid 30's
goro does mid 30's
even jax who's supposed to do shitty meterless dmg midscreen does around 30 meterless and mid 30's 1 bar
and even fucking no midscreen dmg having cassie can do around 30 midscreen meterless

kano's max meterless punish midscreen is 20% and for a bar he gets 30% so when you say grapplers i don't know WHO THE FUCK you're talking about

Meterless midscreen 22 choke does about 22-24% cant remember off the top of my head and midscreen for a bar you can get 40%.