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Match-Up Discussion - Jax Jax Vs Grandmaster 10-10-16 Hotfix

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
I don't know why everyone's going nuts, very likely just a temporary fix until they figure out how to fix the bug.
If this is the case, then ok, but I don't think it is. But again, if it is, good and I commend NRS on that if this is so.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
This is to show how clueless people are.

You do realise that ALL CHARACTERS WITHOUT METER have the exact same problem you are having now?
You use your bars for 3 x 12%, and EVERY SINGLE CHAR except 2-3 exceptions feel like all of you are feeling desperate now.

Can't you people see it's a Grandmaster problem, not a Jax problem?

It's obvious even for a 2 year old. NERF that pos into the ground already ffs.
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
This is to show how clueless people are.

You do realise that ALL CHARACTERS WITHOUT METER have the exact same problem you are having now?
You use your bars for 3 x 12%, and EVERY SINGLE CHAR except 2-3 exceptions feel like all of you are feeling desperate now.

Can't you people see it's a Grandmaster problem, not a Jax problem?

It's obvious even for a 2 year old. NERF that pos into the ground already ffs.
Neither of my characters need meter to deal with clone. It is actually really funny I never have to give a shit about it, if someone tries to throw it out I can punish them for even trying to, GM is basically useless against my characters lol
 

Fellow_Swordsman

"One mind, one blade."
I'm positive this is only temporary. A similar situation happened with Sorcerer Quan Chi when he was able to put two spells and murdered everybody with chip, so they got hotfixed and heavily nerfed the chip damage from the spell until they fixed the bug.
 

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Technically speaking, if someone was super on point with their ia gp's, wouldn't Pumped Up be able to deal with Grandmaster at least somewhat? I could be totally wrong which is why I'm literally just asking, but on paper I'd think that tool could potentially help, no?
 

Matix218

Get over here!
You remember the Lex vs Zod matchup? I refer you to that matchup if anyone wants an idea of how bad this is.
I agree this is absolutely a bad matchup but lex vs Zod lex literally couldn't move. That may have been a true 9-1 matchup. I don't see this being 9-1 but it is clearly hard for jax.
 

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
I agree this is absolutely a bad matchup but lex vs Zod lex literally couldn't move. That may have been a true 9-1 matchup. I don't see this being 9-1 but it is clearly hard for jax.
Technically, it was a 10-0. Tier and match-up lists only consider each character being played "to the best of their ability" and therefore don't account for human error, which was the only factor that could actually allow poor Lex to win in that matchup.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
I agree this is absolutely a bad matchup but lex vs Zod lex literally couldn't move. That may have been a true 9-1 matchup. I don't see this being 9-1 but it is clearly hard for jax.
He has 0 good ways of dealing with klone. Rocket in heavy weapons will trade with ice ball so he can't deal with it that way. SMG in HW wont do it either. Blast wont do it because it'll trade with ice all every time. You can react to ground pound and instant air ground pound and that also trades with ice ball. He can't armor through the clone now unless he wants to eat a full combo or get armor broke (Knee is a complete joke don't use that as an argument to answer Klone) Sub Zero now has even better buttons which gives Jax a hard time even more so. Jax cant keep Subby down nearly as easily anymore (double armor slide and such) so basically what we have is Jax literally not being able to start any offense at all and therefore he's not playing the game. If a matchup that makes it so you're not playing the game isn't a 9-1 I'm not sure what is.
 

EGP Awesomo

R.T.S.D
So I havent really touched Jax post patch (too busy to play atm) but Id imagine that GP is still the same in pumped up. That being said ice ball isnt an issue because you can react to Ice Ball and get under it with ground pound so those trades are in your favor. Did they take armor off ex dash punch? Pumped up has Ex gotcha with 2 hits of armor so Id imagine thats still a viable option to shut down corner clone set ups. IDK those are just my 2 cents
 

omooba

fear the moobs
Or it could be because of the bug where Jax couldn't use overhead dash until he spent a second bar if he had armoured through a gap previously.

But let's be ignorant idiots and blame NRS again.
aight let me try not being ignorant, lets assume it was because of the bug thing meaning what happened was
Paulo: C'mon guys, we need to fix this bug!

Developers: We've tried everything, we can't find a solution! It can't be done!!

Paulo: Ah sh*t, just remove the god damn armour then!
wow sooooo much better
 

JDM

Noob
Technically, it was a 10-0. Tier and match-up lists only consider each character being played "to the best of their ability" and therefore don't account for human error, which was the only factor that could actually allow poor Lex to win in that matchup.
Lex had literally one chance at the beginning of the match. If played perfectly and he got the proper guesses he could theoretically win. So it's a 9-1. I don't think actual 10-0's exist. There's always the 1 match you can still lose. Even if played perfectly Zod can be caught in the beginning of the round.

But yeah, nothing in this game is anything like that. You literally could not move once he started. Don't exaggerate guys. I'm sure the matchup sucks but nothing like that
 
This is to show how clueless people are.

You do realise that ALL CHARACTERS WITHOUT METER have the exact same problem you are having now?
You use your bars for 3 x 12%, and EVERY SINGLE CHAR except 2-3 exceptions feel like all of you are feeling desperate now.

Can't you people see it's a Grandmaster problem, not a Jax problem?

It's obvious even for a 2 year old. NERF that pos into the ground already ffs.
Jax also have a Boraicho fart problem in the corner.
Jax also have a Kenshi problem anywhere in the screen.
Jax also have a Quan Chi problem anywhere in the screen.
Jax also have a Reptile problem anywhere in the screen (one of your favorites).
Jax also have a problem with any zoner now anywhere in the screen.
So... In order to Jax to be viable. Will NRS nerf the recently buffed zoning chars, just to make one character viable?.
I don't think so.
 
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Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Lex had literally one chance at the beginning of the match. If played perfectly and he got the proper guesses he could theoretically win. So it's a 9-1. I don't think actual 10-0's exist. There's always the 1 match you can still lose. Even if played perfectly Zod can be caught in the beginning of the round.

But yeah, nothing in this game is anything like that. You literally could not move once he started. Don't exaggerate guys. I'm sure the matchup sucks but nothing like that
Ivan Ooze 10-0'ed his whole cast lol. Lex could catch a back-dashing Zod at the start of the match? I don't recall if his air axe or cc went far enough but if so then yeah, 9-1. If not then it's 10-0 technically speaking (but not practically speaking in a real match setting with actual people playing). Either way Lex got fucked so hard he wished he was Jax vs Sub Zero lol.