I know "spam" is a trigger-word, but read what I said and take it in context. If spamming wins, players should, but good design dictates that it be mostly ineffective.
You're not just disagreeing with me, but with the direction the designers have chosen to take the franchise.
anything else if fine
First rekka is -7 on block. Her rekka is better than Alien it's only raped by Kung Lao because of 7f ex spin. Alien's rekka always loses to 13f armored reversal
Her backwards teleport does have a point. It says very clearly, "Quit being such a puss and fight."
Oh lord... @Tweedy Here it is
Hello guys and girls,
i am very certain that most of you have a feeling that Tanya is still a strong character and there might be few reasons for it, such as: not knowing the matchup, too lazy to lab or have never played against her (or purchased her, i know a lot of people that complain about her that don't even have her purchased)
anyway, me and other Tanya mains feel as though that after the July patch Naginata and Pyromancer became obsolete, they require too much work and get nothing in return. Naginata is a pure gimmick variation that has nothing real besides B32 and F42, where as Pyromancer's zoning is overrated and extremely easy to deal with.
Here are my suggestions of making Dragon Naginata and Pyromancer better, i am not going to break the character just going to suggest some of universal and Naginata + Pyromancer changes, i am also leaving Kobu Jutsu out of this picture because it had its time. Also i will not be suggesting the reverting her old changes, because they will not do it, it was taken out for a reason... or not *cough* 34 string nerf*cough*
So... here it goes, you may agree with me or may not... oh well
Universal Changes
Pyromancer
- B313 is now -2 on block
- 2U3 is now -4 on block
- 11U4 is now +2 on block
- D1 is now -4 on block
- F2 teleport Jip jails
- F2 teleport air Drill jails
- Air split dive is 15 frames on startup
- Air split dive is +3 on hit
- F4 is now special cancellable
- Fully charged F3 is now +5 on block
- Ground teleports now invincible but cost stamina bar
Dragon Naginata
- Air fireballs do the same damage as the ground ones
- All fireballs hit advantage now +8 down from +22
- All fireballs startup decreased by 4 frames
- Increase the hitbox of Air EX fireball
- 243 has a fire on the end of the string
- Reduce recovery by 8 frames on air fireballs
- Reduce recovery by 8 frames on air fireballs after air teleport
- B31 Dust jails
Here are my logical changes to make the variations better and not broken, share your thoughts, i am mostly interested in the ones that come from people who play Tanya
- B2 hit advantage is now +10 up from +1
- F42 is now -8
- Pogo stance is now -10 on block
- Pogo stance 4 jails on block
- Decrease the startup on Pogo stance 1
- 112, F2, 24, 4 into forward teleport pogo now jails
- EX BF2 into 4 now jails
- Jump in pogo stance now jails from max range of Jump in 2
- Decrease startup on B1 by 5 frames
@Awkward Sloth @InfamousSloth @SethHendrixson @chrisisnice @Dragons Rule!!! @EdenianWarrior @Cameronwinss @Sindelia @xKhaoTik @any other Tanya that is left...
ONLY instant air pogo. Other than that the bitch is jumping.
i wanna see her get better, i think tanya mains deserve it, just as long as she can't Loop it over and over, its cool with me. Stamina seems like a good Regulator for Invincible Telport. would that mean she can only do it once, cuz like half makes it stall right, if she could do it twice in a row id be fine with that. i can respect 2 rotaions. i mean i do it with Scorpion, D'Vorah, Johnny and othersincluding Kano, why not her? she a cool char. don't use her, but saying that im not against her getting better. how would that hurt my character? or anyoneelses?
He plays me, he don't need to play you lol
Very good tech, but there are to many gaps in most of it. i like it though, its very nice shit. looks clean. like Vax said it is a bit Gimmiky and there are Armorable gaps and Escapes. im sure most of it you are just floating back to redo a combo or setup. but other than that very good shit. i hope you and Vax do work together and make a great guide.
Uhm, have you dropped her for Leatherface btw mate?
Yeah i never understood others hating on Zoning. Spamming when i hear that word i think of a 6 year old, specifically my Nephew saying it, unable to comprehend that there are multiple ways to get around and in. the odd thing is Spamming means repetitive use of a single projectile, and whats sad is everyone knows when you use the same Projectile over and over it Telegraphs what you are doing next, and in this game, With run Mechanic, Meaty Advancing Mids, and counter zoning, Strong JIP's, Teleport's, Dive Kicks, Out Trading Projectiles like Sub Zero Freeze, Cyrax Net, CSZ Freeze/Ice Bombs. and many many many more moves that counter it. it should be glaringly obvious how easy it is to counter one single move used over and over.
