General/Other - Bo' Rai Cho XL Bo' Rai Cho General Discussion Thread

[Marinjuana]

A lot of Bo's strings and specials are really bad on whiff too so EX smoke away is pretty ideal for punishing his gaps. Smoke can just play keep away all day and Bo Rai has no real answer for it.

 

[Name v.5.0]

Can we just end the debate. Smoke is a bad fucking matchup. It's plain as day.

 

[PND OmegaK]

Bo's biggest weakness is fast ranged mids, which are unfortunately rife among high/top tier characters. If he cannot get someone to the corner he loses, but conversely he only needs one good hit to take a round.

I'm always improving my Dragon Breath, matchups I used to think we're borderline impossible I now see as 5-5 and can actually see bo winning some matchups. He is a very unorthodox character and takes a lot more time to master than a lot of the easy mode characters in the game.

That being said 2 of the hardest matchup I've come across are Demo Sonya and Piercing Mileena. Very hard to approach both of them as they control space well without needing to back pedal.

When Bo was first released I thought he was easily the worst character in the game, but he grows in my estimations each day. I think he is a very underestimated character.

 

[Percimon]

as for me, Takeda (especially, Lasher) is one the worst MU's for DM and DB (dunno about Bartitsu, cuz I don't play in this variation). His normals are too long, much longer than Bo's, some of them are pretty quick + Takeda has projectiles + annoying 50/50's do its job.
Also, Quan Chi is really bad MU too, cuz of runes (meditation in DM doesn't help), insane 50/50's + he has too many zoning tools.

For DM Kung Lao (Tempest) is bad MU too, just because of orbiting hat - I can roll through Lao's attack, but then I always get hit by this God damn hat. It destroys my mobility, my tricky stuff, etc =(
BUT: DB is pretty cool for this MU, cuz of df2 - it doesn't let Lao do his divekicks or run with hat into throw etc.

Honestly, I hope that, if there'll be patch, one of buffs of Bo will be df2 mid in DB. Even being high attack, it REALLY helps to control space around Bo

 

[SoundsLikePAUSE]

Am I missing something? How are you guys dealing with Kitana? It's a challenge to corner her but soon as I do, she just air butt chargers out of there.

 

[Percimon]

Am I missing something? How are you guys dealing with Kitana? It's a challenge to corner her but soon as I do, she just air butt chargers out of there.

What variation do you play with?

 

[SoundsLikePAUSE]

What variation do you play with?

I was using DM but Dragon Breath is what I'm using going forward.

 

[Percimon]

I was using DM but Dragon Breath is what I'm using going forward.

I don't think that using DB against Kitana is a good idea tbh

Talking about DM, I always go into meditation with b4, down. Then just waiting.. If want to move, I use rolls only, and never jump in Kitana MU.
I always try to make her get close with me, because I feel comfortable lying on the ground under her projectiles. So I even don't try to get her into the corner, just waiting patiently and punish opponent's mistakes

 

[Percimon]

Tbh, when I play in DM variation in comfortable for me MU, I play not only with opponent's character, but with his patience too, and I really like that

 

[SoundsLikePAUSE]

I don't think that using DB against Kitana is a good idea tbh

Talking about DM, I always go into meditation with b4, down. Then just waiting.. If want to move, I use rolls only, and never jump in Kitana MU.
I always try to make her get close with me, because I feel comfortable lying on the ground under her projectiles. So I even don't try to get her into the corner, just waiting patiently and punish opponent's mistakes

Patience I can do, but she's pretty content with just standing full screen throwing fans till she builds full meter. The only time she ever really needs to come in, is if Bo somehow manages to have a life lead.

 

[Percimon]

Patience I can do, but she's pretty content with just standing full screen throwing fans till she builds full meter. The only time she ever really needs to come in, is if Bo somehow manages to have a life lead.

well, everything depends on situation.. But:
1) if she has a life lead and you need to get in, you should do it only with rolls;
2) use df2 cuz it has good range + it works perfectly as AA;
3) if Kitana has 1 ex-bar and you have 1-3 lvl drunk and 1 ex-bar too, I wouldn't do ex-bf3 cuz her ex-fans are 2hit and fast enough to break bf3's armor (I did that mistake a lot of times). And also be careful with usual version of bf3, cuz she can catch you too;
4) use Zen to punish her wake ups;
5) try to keep distance, which equals about one roll, between you and her.

 

[BanTheTesters]

Off topic, am i correct to assume that Dragons breath and barT are Bo's best variations? Even though drunken master adds to the move set, invincible roll, and more options to get around projectiles?

 

[DownfouralitY]

Off topic, am i correct to assume that Dragons breath and barT are Bo's best variations? Even though drunken master adds to the move set, invincible roll, and more options to get around projectiles?

imo DM is still a decent variation for certain mus and is probably on par with Bartitsu. At least for me anyway

 

[Youphemism]

Off topic, am i correct to assume that Dragons breath and barT are Bo's best variations? Even though drunken master adds to the move set, invincible roll, and more options to get around projectiles?

Dragon's Breath is the best, I personally don't feel Bartitsu is as good as Drunken Master simply because Drunken Master has better mobility and mids. Roll (never mind the invincibility too on the ex version which is an underrated tool), F1 and BF3 are great tools and while Bartitsu's range is good it's just not got the mobility or safety to be better than Drunken Master imo. Dragon's Breath has safety AND mids so I think it's pretty unanimously decided to be the best one.

 

[Name v.5.0]

Dragon's Breath is the best, I personally don't feel Bartitsu is as good as Drunken Master simply because Drunken Master has better mobility and mids. Roll (never mind the invincibility too on the ex version which is an underrated tool), F1 and BF3 are great tools and while Bartitsu's range is good it's just not got the mobility or safety to be better than Drunken Master imo. Dragon's Breath has safety AND mids so I think it's pretty unanimously decided to be the best one.

Bart's range doesn't make up for his weaknesses whatsoever. He's easily the worst of the variations.

Fuck F11. It's a high, low that's generally easy to block, can be death on whiff, and doesn't seem to out prioritize other character's kick ass mids.

I still don't fully know if I'm winning legit online or people still don't care to learn the MU.

 

[myri]

Bo is the most underestimated character in this game by a long way and there is still stuff to be discovered. People can keep saying he loses every matchup 7-3 or 8-2 but I seriously don't think that's the case.

 

[Youphemism]

Come on man don't overreact, noone is saying he loses every matchup 7-3 or 8-2. Let's not be silly. But there's a reason he's not being used in tournaments and it's because he's not worth using in tournament. He might have a few even or winning matchups but he really does struggle in some important areas other characters don't. You just see it like that because you play his best variation and noone's saying Dragon's Breath is terrible, people say it's his best variation and rightly so.

 

[myri]

I didn't think I was overreacting...

People have said these matchup numbers in the past, it has happened.

Yes, Bo is not a go to for tournament viability, I just think people sleep on him, that's all I'm trying to say.

 

[Percimon]

I think in some MU's DB is better than DM, in another MU's DM is better than DB.

I think noone will use Bo in tournaments until some shitty characters, like Alien, won't be patched...

 

[Thefish]

Starting to play around with DB a little more and I gotta say he's pretty damn tank! Especially the set play, it's so fun.

 

[Name v.5.0]

You'll never see Bart in tournament because he doesnt even have even match ups against the top tiers. I think he loses to the following:

Mileena, Shinnok, Alien, Lao, Takeda, Predator, Dvorah, Kano...

That's just off the top of my head. I cant imagine it's a ton better for his other variations.

 

[BanTheTesters]

Dragon's Breath is the best, I personally don't feel Bartitsu is as good as Drunken Master simply because Drunken Master has better mobility and mids. Roll (never mind the invincibility too on the ex version which is an underrated tool), F1 and BF3 are great tools and while Bartitsu's range is good it's just not got the mobility or safety to be better than Drunken Master imo. Dragon's Breath has safety AND mids so I think it's pretty unanimously decided to be the best one.

Idk man like DB has some stuff but fire pit doesnt stack damage and yea the mobility is better in DM...i guess its debatable if DB or DM is the best right? Dm just seems to have more answers to opponent stuff..not that it really helps Bo out that much but still..

 

[BanTheTesters]

Bo is the most underestimated character in this game by a long way and there is still stuff to be discovered. People can keep saying he loses every matchup 7-3 or 8-2 but I seriously don't think that's the case.

Not going to lie man Bo really does seem like he has some shit MU's....cats have been saying since the character dropped that he has been "slept on" but more tech keeps getting found for other characters that seems to make it harder for Bo to win.

Having played just a bit of the match ups i agree with @Name v.5.0 on this aspect of the convo...i mean Mileena, Shinnok, Alien, Lao? Bo is Free as fuck (excuse my language) in a LOT of instances...Maybe DM might give a person a slight run for their money but not for long..

 

[myri]

Not going to lie man Bo really does seem like he has some shit MU's....cats have been saying since the character dropped that he has been "slept on" but more tech keeps getting found for other characters that seems to make it harder for Bo to win.

Having played just a bit of the match ups i agree with @Name v.5.0 on this aspect of the convo...i mean Mileena, Shinnok, Alien, Lao? Bo is Free as fuck (excuse my language) in a LOT of instances...Maybe DM might give a person a slight run for their money but not for long..

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with anyone that Bo has some bad and some shit matchups. I just think it's early and there is still plenty to be found and worked on. Like Omega said he has found matchups that were impossible before that he thinks could be 5-5 now. Not trying to start arguments, I'm just kinda optimistic about the future of this really fun character that we play and I want to keep grinding him in the tough matchups with all his variations to see what can be done about it. That's all.

 

[GAV]

What kind of damage are you guys hitting with this character?

It seems like the damage potential for this character is through the roof.