General/Other - Raiden Raiden General Discussion

[DDutchguy]

Could someone send me links to combos, strats, tech, etc.

I'm learning Thunder God Raiden for fun and would appreciate it.

You could always check out the combo thread. If necessary though, I could send you a PM with combos, tech and what ot for TG.

 

[DarksydeDash]

You could always check out the combo thread. If necessary though, I could send you a PM with combos, tech and what ot for TG.

I would appreciate that since I have no clue if those combos are update in the combo thread.

 

[N00B]

There is a some much needed reasonable buffs, nerfs.
Immortal Thunder God Raiden needs;
Buffs.
1) 10-11 fr F2, but -3 on block - its would be a good, balanced alternative for losted 6 fr long range mid F1, its not would be too much because its has a lot of recovery on it, its not a true mid. 10-11 fr F2 -3 would be good, effective balanced long range not true mid like Kung Lao s F2. He just needs that, he needs fast long range mid that he can able to attack more effectivelly from neutral distance e.t.c. much needed, reasonable buff that would improve hes bad neutral game.
2) 11 fr D4, but -6 on block and +10 on hit - combined with F2 hes neutral game would be good and its also much needed buff would improve hes bad neutral game and would more effectivelly deal with low profile.
3) 7-8 fr mb DB2 Mid, but -30 on block - its would be balanced fast armor launcher, unsafe but fast, its would be very good for deffense especially for thunder god. Also much needed buff, but in the same time its nerf.
4) DF2 -6 on block and Mid - because of low reward, -6 its not Raiden s turn and recovery on it is long so this move being -6 on block hitting mid not a launcher its also balanced. Special move with 12 frames startup Mid -6 on block not a combostarter that has a long recovery would be absolutely fair and balanced tool. Its just helps him a little bit.
5) EX DF2 Mid - 14 fr Slow special move, unsafe armor launcher with long recovery and long range hitting Mid would be absolutely balanced tool. This move being a mid just helps a little bit.
6) Remove gaps in F12 B2 hold 2 *GAP* DF2 and 1122 hold 2 *GAP* DF2 - that strings starts from a highs .
7) 15 fr F2 2+4 in Thunder God variation.
8) 12 fr F2 2+4 in general and in Displacer, MOS variations.

Nerfs.
Honestly i dont know Displacer too much but i know MB teleport is plus tho.
1) Displacer MB Teleport -4 on block or even -6 on block.
2) Damage -5% from all variations.


This buffs and nerfs would balance him and make him strong, fair, balanced and complete character like Shinnok, Jax, Kung Jin e.t.c. imo.
NRS please, Paulo come on man, please. Do It! Just Do It!

 

[Lil Majin]

There is a some much needed reasonable buffs, nerfs.
Immortal Thunder God Raiden needs;
Buffs.
1) 10-11 fr F2, but -3 on block - its would be a good, balanced alternative for losted 6 fr long range mid F1, its not would be too much because its has a lot of recovery on it, its not a true mid. 10-11 fr F2 -3 would be good, effective balanced long range not true mid like Kung Lao s F2. He just needs that, he needs fast long range mid that he can able to attack more effectivelly from neutral distance e.t.c. much needed, reasonable buff that would improve hes bad neutral game.
2) 11 fr D4, but -6 on block and +10 on hit - combined with F2 hes neutral game would be good and its also much needed buff would improve hes bad neutral game and would more effectivelly deal with low profile.
3) 7-8 fr mb DB2 Mid, but -30 on block - its would be balanced fast armor launcher, unsafe but fast, its would be very good for deffense especially for thunder god. Also much needed buff, but in the same time its nerf.
4) DF2 -6 on block and Mid - because of low reward, -6 its not Raiden s turn and recovery on it is long so this move being -6 on block hitting mid not a launcher its also balanced. Special move with 12 frames startup Mid -6 on block not a combostarter that has a long recovery would be absolutely fair and balanced tool. Its just helps him a little bit.
5) EX DF2 Mid - 14 fr Slow special move, unsafe armor launcher with long recovery and long range hitting Mid would be absolutely balanced tool. This move being a mid just helps a little bit.
6) F12 B2 hold 2 *GAP* DF2 and 1122 hold 2 *GAP* DF2 gaps removed - that strings starts from a highs .
7) 15 fr F2 2+4 in Thunder God variation.
8) 12 fr F2 2+4 in general and in Displacer, MOS variations.
Nerfs.
Honestly i dont know Displacer too much but i know MB teleport is plus tho.
1) Displacer MB Teleport -4 on block or even -6 on block.
2) Damage -5% from all variations.
3) MB DB3 Thunder Strike -10 or -15 on block, but less recovery on it.

This buffs and nerfs would balance him and make him strong, fair, balanced and complete character like Shinnok, Jax, Kung Jin e.t.c. imo.
NRS please, Paulo come on man, please. Do It! Just Do It!

Raiden is actually fine the way he is right now. He isn't bad at all and I consider him as a high mid-tier character.

 

[Aqueous_Echo]

Raiden is actually fine the way he is right now. He isn't bad at all and I consider him as a high mid-tier character.

I think we that still use him see his big strengths. He does have his weaknesses but every character *should* have a weakness in some part of their game. Raiden is incredibly safe and if you can make/create good reads he can be such a monster for the opponent.

 

[N00B]

Raiden is actually fine the way he is right now. He isn't bad at all and I consider him as a high mid-tier character.

He needs it! You just up playng him too much, be a realist.

 

[Darth-Nero]

Raiden is actually fine the way he is right now. He isn't bad at all and I consider him as a high mid-tier character.

Are you planning on making a full guide for Displacer anytime soon? =)

 

[Aqueous_Echo]

He needs it! You just up playng him too much, be a realist.

He is being a realist. Raidens biggest issue for a long time was losing the f1 mid.

Now the reason it was a big deal is not because his broken 6 frame mid was gone, but that the hitbox of f1 being a mid was gone. B1 had a horrible hitbox for the major majority of the game life. Raiden doesn't have really any amount of BS like some characters BUT... he does have some... and it can hurt

 

[ILuvFightGames]

He is being a realist. Raidens biggest issue for a long time was losing the f1 mid.

Now the reason it was a big deal is not because his broken 6 frame mid was gone, but that the hitbox of f1 being a mid was gone. B1 had a horrible hitbox for the major majority of the game life. Raiden doesn't have really any amount of BS like some characters BUT... he does have some... and it can hurt

I'm in no way as knowledgeable as you with raiden but his BS pales in comparison to most other BS in this game. I love raiden because he's just an honest character actually.

 

[Aqueous_Echo]

I'm in no way as knowledgeable as you with raiden but his BS pales in comparison to most other BS in this game. I love raiden because he's just an honest character actually.

He honestly thrives on a strong fundamental foundation to be used effectively, but don't let his honesty fool you. He's got some dirt on him. Most just gave up on him. He's got bad Mu's like anyone else though. IMO he actually does give Alien a handful of problems, too

 

[Aqueous_Echo]

I'm in no way as knowledgeable as you with raiden but his BS pales in comparison to most other BS in this game. I love raiden because he's just an honest character actually.

Idk what region you play from but I k ow I've tried to help you before in this thread. If u ever wanna run a lab session in training just hmu. My IDs are under my profile pic

 

[Lil Majin]

Are you planning on making a full guide for Displacer anytime soon? =)

I've never considered doing a guide before actually. I'm just trying to learn match-ups and do well in tournaments for now. Currently practicing for CEO.

 

[Darth-Nero]

I've never considered doing a guide before actually. I'm just trying to learn match-ups and do well in tournaments for now. Currently practicing for CEO.

Your Displacer is super hype man, Congratulations on MWC and best of luck at CEO.

 

[N00B]

He is being a realist. Raidens biggest issue for a long time was losing the f1 mid.

Now the reason it was a big deal is not because his broken 6 frame mid was gone, but that the hitbox of f1 being a mid was gone. B1 had a horrible hitbox for the major majority of the game life. Raiden doesn't have really any amount of BS like some characters BUT... he does have some... and it can hurt

Its still hes biggest issue, not having a good long range mid. B1 has short range reach its good only for up close, but not for neutral. But its not hes only issue, he has a lot of issues and a lot of bad match ups.
"He's got bad Mu's like anyone else though"- he has TOO MANY bad match ups, if character has too many bad match ups he is not good, for example Jax has only 4 really bad match ups, Kung Jin has too, mileena probably has zero, Johnny has 1, they are a lot better, complete characters than Raiden. Raiden is not complete, good character.
Raiden is trash comparing to Jax, Shinnok, Kung Jin, Mileena, Johnny Cage, Dvora, jacquie, Kano e.t.c. he is trash. Why Raiden should not be very strong like all of those high and top tier characters? Its just frustraiting and unfair.
Almost everything that Raiden has was desighned to kinda balance hes 6 fr MID and OS, almost everything else was not too much important and has slow recovery, or slow starup or hits high or moves that not a launcher -7 on block e.t.c. then they nerfed 6 fr MID and OS thats right, BUT they doesnt give a good alternative balanced tools and doesnt fix hes specials that was desighned to kinda balance 6 fr MID and OS for these days.
We dont want Raiden being broken character, we just want Raiden being a very strong, complete character like Jin, Jax, Shinnok e.t.c. and for being a very strong, complete character at least in 2 variiations he needs those buffs imo.
Or its would be too late when ppl are realize that Raiden is not good, strong, complete character or ppl will be lying themself that Raiden is very strong, complete character and doesnt needs buffs but in reality comparing to top tier, high tier characters he will be trash.

 

[Lil Majin]

@N00B After playing long sets against so many top players and high level players of every character, I can say that Raiden doesn't have any bad matchups. It just isn't easy and requires practice; which is something that people like you, who scream for buffs even after significant buffs, don't like to do.....

Not every character in every fighting game is supposed to be easy to use AND win with in high level. If you've ever competed and won in high level of any game then you'd understand the need to "GIT GUD" over waiting for buffs that 9 times out of 10 won't save you in tournaments nor in casuals. It will be the same song played over and over again. NRS can buff Raiden and it won't change the names that we see in every major tournament result.....unless others start to GIT GUD!

 

[DDutchguy]

@N00B After playing long sets against so many top players and high level players of every character, I can say that Raiden doesn't have any bad matchups. It just isn't easy and requires practice; which is something that people like you, who scream for buffs even after significant buffs, don't like to do.....

Not every character in every fighting game is supposed to be easy to use AND win with in high level. If you've ever competed and won in high level of any game then you'd understand the need to "GIT GUD" over waiting for buffs that 9 times out of 10 won't save you in tournaments nor in casuals. It will be the same song played over and over again. NRS can buff Raiden and it won't change the names that we see in every major tournament result.

Raiden not having any bad matchups is something I don't entirely agree with, at least in Thunder God. Many characters have a neutral that can contest and often surpass Raiden's, giving him quite some trouble up close. The things I always struggle with is his bad stagger pressure (because of long recovery on most of his strings) and that his cancels give him +2 at best, which gives you very little to work with.

Not saying Raiden is bad oh no, not with that corner vortex and 40% meterless damage. Just saying there are definitely characters that give him quite a hard time. What do you think of the Erron matchup for instance?

Also N00B stop posting shit.

 

[Lil Majin]

@DDutchguy I'm speaking mainly for Displacer Raiden. In neutral, you really have to use his great set of buttons and teleports to bend it to your favor. His d4 has more range than over 70% of the cast and it (and whiffed throw) grants him a boosted backward walk speed for the beginning of its animation, which easily creates whiffs. His jab strings have further reaching hitboxes than they appear and can be used to jail after a d1 or d4 connects from almost any range.....which 112 leaves him plus.

Also, @Nivek posted that in TG, 11 into LRC is +4 on block, which also jails from d1 and d4 on hit.

Erron Black? I see him as a weaker Raiden. His lows have less range, all of his buttons have less range outside of f1 and 2. Erron isn't as safe as Raiden either...especially not when he's against Raiden. Without going into detail, I'll just say that vs Displacer, it's 6-4 in Raiden's favor for all 3 of Erron Black's variations.

I'm saying that (Displacer) Raiden doesn't have any bad matchups because he has the best wall carry in the game, he's the only character that has a 6f full combo punisher from a normal, he cannot be kept cornered, has the best set of armor moves in the game, safe unfuzzyable 50/50's, strings that leave him in plus, and the fact that he turns every character into the same character with vortexes anywhere on the screen and definitely in the corner.

 

[DDutchguy]

Also, @Nivek posted that in TG, 11 into LRC is +4 on block, which also jails from d1 and d4 on hit.

That was a typo on his end, he later said it was actually +2.

 

[N00B]

@N00B After playing long sets against so many top players and high level players of every character, I can say that Raiden doesn't have any bad matchups. It just isn't easy and requires practice; which is something that people like you, who scream for buffs even after significant buffs, don't like to do.....

Not every character in every fighting game is supposed to be easy to use AND win with in high level. If you've ever competed and won in high level of any game then you'd understand the need to "GIT GUD" over waiting for buffs that 9 times out of 10 won't save you in tournaments nor in casuals. It will be the same song played over and over again. NRS can buff Raiden and it won't change the names that we see in every major tournament result.....unless others start to GIT GUD!

"Raiden doesn't have any bad matchups" - hahaha, well we all have our opinions.

Did i say he supposed to be easy? lol . Raiden in Thunder God is one of the hardest character to use, but its not worth it, i didnt say he supposed to be easy to use, i say he needs a couple improvements for being strong, complete character IMO.
Thats would be too late when you all realize that Raiden is not that good.
And dutchguy STFU dont tell me what i should do. Thats MKX Raiden forum, we all have our opinions and i will post whatever i want according to thread withoght offtop.
Lets just agree to dissagree, screw it.
Thats it.

 

[Lil Majin]

"Raiden doesn't have any bad matchups" - hahaha, well we all have our opinions.

Did i say he supposed to be easy? lol . Raiden in Thunder God is one of the hardest character to use, but its not worth it, i didnt say he supposed to be easy to use, i say he needs a couple improvements for being strong, complete character IMO.
Thats would be too late when you all realize that Raiden is not that good.
And dutchguy STFU dont tell me what i should do. Thats MKX Raiden forum, we all have our opinions and i will post whatever i want according to thread withoght offtop.
Lets just agree to dissagree, screw it.
Thats it.

You've downplayed Raiden so hard and told me to be a realist even after I've been doing a decent job of uploading winning sets against big names, tech, and combos to my YT page: http://www.youtube.com/user/lilmajin .

Hell, I've even managed to do well in recent tournaments with Raiden and have beaten notable players from INC, YOMI, and C88 using the same neutral tools that you claimed were "bad" and "trash."

Albeit I agree to disagree. If Raiden gets buffed, then cool. If he gets nothing, then that's cool too.

 

[Nivek]

That was a typo on his end, he later said it was actually +2.

I never said is +2 .. 11fbrc is +4

IMO it doesn't matter what tier raiden is ...whoever wants to play him, just play him and HAVE FUN.

 

[Aqueous_Echo]

Its still hes biggest issue, not having a good long range mid. B1 has short range reach its good only for up close, but not for neutral. But its not hes only issue, he has a lot of issues and a lot of bad match ups.
"He's got bad Mu's like anyone else though"- he has TOO MANY bad match ups, if character has too many bad match ups he is not good, for example Jax has only 4 really bad match ups, Kung Jin has too, mileena probably has zero, Johnny has 1, they are a lot better, complete characters than Raiden. Raiden is not complete, good character.
Raiden is trash comparing to Jax, Shinnok, Kung Jin, Mileena, Johnny Cage, Dvora, jacquie, Kano e.t.c. he is trash. Why Raiden should not be very strong like all of those high and top tier characters? Its just frustraiting and unfair.
Almost everything that Raiden has was desighned to kinda balance hes 6 fr MID and OS, almost everything else was not too much important and has slow recovery, or slow starup or hits high or moves that not a launcher -7 on block e.t.c. then they nerfed 6 fr MID and OS thats right, BUT they doesnt give a good alternative balanced tools and doesnt fix hes specials that was desighned to kinda balance 6 fr MID and OS for these days.
We dont want Raiden being broken character, we just want Raiden being a very strong, complete character like Jin, Jax, Shinnok e.t.c. and for being a very strong, complete character at least in 2 variiations he needs those buffs imo.
Or its would be too late when ppl are realize that Raiden is not good, strong, complete character or ppl will be lying themself that Raiden is very strong, complete character and doesnt needs buffs but in reality comparing to top tier, high tier characters he will be trash.

Think about things like...for example, even "safe" moves are actually not safe against Raiden. His f1 may be a high but it is a 6 frame launching punisher (f12b2) and really forces the opponent to play even safer than normal. You have no idea how many alien OH flips I've punished just by that alone. He forces the opponent to play the -6 or below game... that's just an example. Don't look at what he's lost, look at what he has

 

[PLAY FOR KEEPSIES]

"Raiden doesn't have any bad matchups" - hahaha, well we all have our opinions.

Did i say he supposed to be easy? lol . Raiden in Thunder God is one of the hardest character to use, but its not worth it, i didnt say he supposed to be easy to use, i say he needs a couple improvements for being strong, complete character IMO.
Thats would be too late when you all realize that Raiden is not that good.
And dutchguy STFU dont tell me what i should do. Thats MKX Raiden forum, we all have our opinions and i will post whatever i want according to thread withoght offtop.
Lets just agree to dissagree, screw it.
Thats it.

except for the cancels Thundergod is one of the easiest characters in the game and even the cancels are some of the easier ones. Lil Majin has done a lot more with the character than you have so u should probably at least give him an ear

 

[Tweedy]

I love how Noob lists off how many bad match ups all of these characters have, as if he's played them all enough to know.

 

[D7X]

"Raiden doesn't have any bad matchups" - hahaha, well we all have our opinions.

Did i say he supposed to be easy? lol . Raiden in Thunder God is one of the hardest character to use, but its not worth it, i didnt say he supposed to be easy to use, i say he needs a couple improvements for being strong, complete character IMO.
Thats would be too late when you all realize that Raiden is not that good.
And dutchguy STFU dont tell me what i should do. Thats MKX Raiden forum, we all have our opinions and i will post whatever i want according to thread withoght offtop.
Lets just agree to dissagree, screw it.
Thats it.

Saying a character isn't worthe using because it's a difficult to use mid tier is just... No. Maybe people who play the character think he's really fun tof use and they love him.
Though, I wouldn't say he's one of the hardest